AVZ Discussion 2022

[Sangster]

Thanks Sangster

It's also worth remembering the fines are not just €50,000 per day. They are €50,000 per day, per offence. My original suggestion to double it for a rough number is very low. Spikes timer is a much better indicator because it calculates the value from a single offence for each order from the date of each order. But as Carlos pointed out there were many offences considered last time accrued fines were liquidated and there have been many more offences since then.

So if AVZ were to apply for another liquidation of fines accrued as of Dec 31 2025 the amount owed to us by CriminalSA may be a lot higher than even the counter indicates.

However it's hard to estimate an accurate amount because the fines imposed for certain online offences such as tweets were deemed to have less impact over time, so the amount per day was reduced with each day after the posting. I'm going by memory here and haven't checked how this statement fits with the documentation so double check it. Maybe others can clarify if they know for sure.

The key points are:

• The actual amount owed will be determined by the court next time we apply.
• Spikes counter is the best estimate we have but it may well prove very conservative.

 

[Sangster]

Meanwhile this cunt flies across the globe to bounce through a tesla factory.

Fuck this week, fuck this year, fuck also the ASX

I saw a photo of that asshole in the Tesla lobby. The smartest person in frame had his back turned, presumably to avoid being associated with a criminal. No one else was visible suggesting perhaps no one at Tesla had time for the sleazy bastard.

Were there any pictures of him actually meeting someone from Tesla?

 

[Carlos Danger]

It's also worth remembering the fines are not just €50,000 per day. They are €50,000 per day, per offence. My original suggestion to double it for a rough number is very low. Spikes timer is a much better indicator because it calculates the value from a single offence for each order from the date of each order. But as Carlos pointed out there were many offences considered last time accrued fines were liquidated and there have been many more offences since then.

So if AVZ were to apply for another liquidation of fines accrued as of Dec 31 2025 the amount owed to us by CriminalSA may be a lot higher than even the counter indicates.

However it's hard to estimate an accurate amount because the fines imposed for certain online offences such as tweets were deemed to have less impact over time, so the amount per day was reduced with each day after the posting. I'm going by memory here and haven't checked how this statement fits with the documentation so double check it. Maybe others can clarify if they know for sure.

The key points are:

• The actual amount owed will be determined by the court next time we apply.
• Spikes counter is the best estimate we have but it may well prove very conservative.

Offences are fined 'proportionate to the violation'

So the interview was limited to 3 days and the tweets dropped to €25k per day rather than €50k per day as they are less visible over time

The other violations of our rights to the tenement all continue fully with zero respect for the ICC Emergency Orders

The unpaid amounts from the partial award are all accruing interest too

And there have been multiple other new infringements by Cominiere since the partial award imo