AVZ Discussion 2022

[Winenut]

What's a more realistic royalty in your opinion?

Good question and you've made me stop to ponder my intitial reaction

The calculation method needs to be considered

Fixed per unit of output, % of revenue, % of net return

Really haven't run the numbers so I think your question is very valid and yeah....I'm not quite sure of the answer

Good point for further discussion and research

 

[Winenut]

What's the practical difference?

Franking credits....

EDIT. Possibly.....might depend who or what entity receives the royalty and how it is treated as income in the hands of the recipient

 

[Hodlandwin69]

What is concerning is "if all goes well AVZ could on-sell the Manono interest for UP TO 1.5BILLION"
Up to?!?!
Wtaf

 

[BRICK]

RIO can take that and fk off.
How does such a number even leak when clearly must be a joke

Jeeze feel like we are in a gangbang.

Getting fucked by everyone, even our own countrymen.

Just goes to show the significance of the resource.

 

[Winenut]

So now I'm down a rabbit hole on Royalties thanks to RIO and the Australian and a US Special Envoy

 

[Hodlandwin69]

So now I'm down a rabbit hole on Royalties

Please share your wisdom with us when you are done and what you think would be a reasonable estimate of royalties

 

[BRICK]

Jeeze feel like we are in a gangbang.

Getting fucked by everyone, even our own countrymen.

Just goes to show the significance of the resource.

Look actually the real question is,

Will we reach 3000 pages of thread before a deal is cut?

 

[Hodlandwin69]

This also contradicts Graeme's LinkedIn post

 

[Winenut]

What is concerning is "if all goes well AVZ could on-sell the Manono interest for UP TO 1.5BILLION"
Up to?!?!
Wtaf

Totally agree

That's just a seriously fucked up and wrong and broken number to have published IMO

 

[Mute22]

The fact the article has no source is very telling.

This could just be an outcome the journalist came to themselves on the back of a napkin.

Most likely, RIO is leaking lowball offers to build a narrative, to what end? It's all part of the games being played to lower expectations.

The FUD agents are going to have a field day.

 

[BRICK]

This is about as low-balled as a 90 year olds low balls.

 

[Winenut]

Please share your wisdom with us when you are done and what you think would be a reasonable estimate of royalties

Happy to share something but not sure I'd go so far as to call it wisdom

 

[Carlos Danger]

AVZ and KoBold representatives want to nail down a deal on the future of the southern portion of the Manono deposit from the talks starting on Tuesday. If all goes well, AVZ could on-sell the Manono interest for up to $US1.5bn ($2.38bn) plus a royalty. But there is no assurance of any outcome, favourable or otherwise.

$0.675 AUD per share + royalties.

Sounds like we get royally screwed, I really hope that's not true. I would rather go to court.

Is this RIO buttering up a lowball offer?

Maybe this is what RIO has put forward, but I really hope NF isn't entertaining this.

0.47c after tax

Surely 'AVZ representatives' aren't considering this as it is well below Nigel's minimum valuation of $2.5b USD at the AGM

That isn't a commercial enough offer to win the required shareholder vote even with a royalty imo

 

[Winenut]

0.47c after tax

Surely 'AVZ representatives' aren't considering this as it is well below Nigel's minimum valuation of $2.5b USD at the AGM

That isn't a commercial enough offer to win the required shareholder vote even with a royalty imo

Stupid low ball shit but the tax outcome (whatever the sale price) will vary from holder to holder depending on how it's held, where it's held, personal circumstances, income levels, size of holdings (so resulting potential profit size), whether it's a share sale attracting CGT rules and possible 50% discount etc etc

But prima facie 67.5c is just fucking bullshit and I agree nowhere near commercial enough to get shareholder suppot

 

[JNRB]

Totally agree

That's just a seriously fucked up and wrong and broken number to have published IMO

I went back and re-read it and we're all getting worked up over a simple misunderstanding.

Clearly what heas saying is 1.5B per share, which i am ok with.

 

[BRICK]

I went back and re-read it and we're all getting worked up over a simple misunderstanding.

Clearly what heas saying is 1.5B per share, which i am ok with.

Or the decimal point is in the wrong place and it’s 15. Billion

 

[Winenut]

Is it April 10th yet???......

 

[Randenj]

Is it April 10th yet???......

No but it is April 1 this week. Maybe the 1.5b was a leaked April Fool story ......... ??

 

[Carlos Danger]

Stupid low ball shit but the tax outcome (whatever the sale price) will vary from holder to holder depending on how it's held, where it's held, personal circumstances, income levels, size of holdings (so resulting potential profit size), whether it's a share sale attracting CGT rules and possible 50% discount etc etc

But prima facie 67.5c is just fucking bullshit and I agree nowhere near commercial enough to get shareholder suppot

I was talking about the company tax on sale of the asset

I'm aware of the various personal tax implications

There has been some talk of DRC waiving it but that seems extremely unlikely given the constant accusations of speculation over the years and even if we sell through GLH (unlikely because of Dathcom shares being tied to AVZI under affiliated company rules in Dathcom JVA) or AVZI there will still be company tax payable to either Singapore or Australia imo

 

[ptlas]

Jeeze feel like we are in a gangbang.

Getting fucked by everyone, even our own countrymen.

Just goes to show the significance of the resource.

It's all just games.

So now I'm down a rabbit hole on Royalties thanks to RIO and the Australian and a US Special Envoy

More games.

Only believe what AVZ says.

The rest is just grifters grifting.