AVZ Discussion 2022

[ptlas]

Wrong and dumb.
Another HC fly?

The other point about Locke, I believe, is that there is no way US & EU will allow them to enter a Faustian pact with the Chriminese to screw the west.
I would guess that this was discussed in detail prior to the recent agreement with AVZ, and certain undertakings given.

 

[wombat74]

Thank you for pointing out the clear under-quoting in my original post. It seems that neither search took into account a whole range of costs in addition to periodic costs. My bad.

Here is a list of the main fees and charges applicable to an ICSID arbitration:

1. Registration fee: US$25,000 (non-refundable) payable upon filing a request for arbitration
2. Administrative charge: US$52,000 per year, typically divided equally between parties
3. Tribunal costs: On average US$882,668.19, with a median of US$875,907.97
4. Arbitrator fees: US$500 per hour for work performed in connection with the proceeding
5. Secretary attendance fee: US$200 per hour when the Tribunal Secretary attends meetings
6. Remote hearing hosting: US$2,500 per day
7. In-person hearing facilities: US$4,000 per day for use of a hearing room and breakout/deliberation rooms at ICSID's Washington, D.C. center
8. Travel expenses: Reimbursement for travel and subsistence expenses of the Secretary for meetings held away from ICSID's seat
9. Arbitrator travel fees: Hourly fee for travel time to attend hearings, sessions, and meetings, plus per diem allowances and travel expense reimbursements
10. Party costs: On average, US$5,619,261.74 for claimants and US$4,954,461.27 for respondents (including legal fees and other expenses)

Note that actual costs can vary significantly depending on the complexity and duration of the case

My sincere apologies, and I will delete the original erroneous post.

Some of that $80+million in fines will cover the costs . Isn't Cominiere 90% owned by the DRC ? Or they could just negotiate a deal and this goes away.

 

[BRICK]

So you and Lopu are in some sort of relationship , just asking

..

..

 

[Scoota30]

Well, well, well..... They aren't very good at hiding things.

Link to load of BS from the MoM

 

[Bonsoir]

Well, well, well..... They aren't very good at hiding things.

Link to load of BS from the MoM

View attachment 73780

Them fucks are so far removed from reality they think AVZ doesn’t exist any more and what they are doing is legit.

 

[Dave Evans]

Well, well, well..... They aren't very good at hiding things.

Link to load of BS from the MoM

View attachment 73780

The good news is that AVZ will pay the arbitration costs within the required time and the ICC and ICSID will begin to action their findings on the cases.

Fasken (Zijin’s lawyers) have lodged voluminous submissions in their attempts to stall proceedings. The international courts hearing these cases are aware of that fact and must now be witnessing CAMI and the Minister of Mines protection of the corrupt parties involved (Cominiere, Zijin, Dathomir) as well as their roles in the violations of ICC and ICSID orders.

Here’s some information on Twitter and the Minister of Mines colluding with Zijin and wearing a Manono Lithium shirt

x.com

x.com

BTW, thanks to @Cumquat Cap @Azzler @TheCount @cruiser51 and others for keeping the crapper trolls away. Every time we get positive news the low life’s try and spin negative bullshit into the forum and not one of them has posted any actual information.

 

[Hudnut]

View attachment 73784


BTW, thanks to @Cumquat Cap @Azzler @TheCount @cruiser51 and others for keeping the crapper trolls away. Every time we get positive news the low life’s try and spin negative bullshit into the forum and not one of them has posted any actual information.

Is that Celestin as well?

 

[Frank]

x.com

x.com

x.com

x.com

x.com

x.com

 

[pow4ade]

Don't rely on AI. The sentences it spits out are only statistically probable arrangements of words that should match your query according to their algorithm and what it trained on.

It doesn't really fact check anything.

The sooner people realise this the better. If you use it for general well known bullshit, it will probably be OK, because those word combinations are common. If you want specifics (think of accurate hands with 5 fingers), then it's going to take work to prod it to get that, and that will corrupt the answer anyway, because you led it there.

It's not a search engine, though it shares similarities, it's a language learning model.

Pretty sure AI is on the money here, compiling info from the ICSID site:

I. FEES

1. Members receive a fee of US$500 for each hour of work performed in connection with the proceeding, including each hour spent participating in hearings, sessions and meetings.

https://icsid.worldbank.org/services/cost-of-proceedings/memorandum-fees-expenses/2022

 

[Yaseen]

Pretty sure AI is on the money here, compiling info from the ICSID site:

I. FEES

1. Members receive a fee of US$500 for each hour of work performed in connection with the proceeding, including each hour spent participating in hearings, sessions and meetings.

https://icsid.worldbank.org/services/cost-of-proceedings/memorandum-fees-expenses/2022

Could almost pass as legalised snacks

 

[Winenut]

Is that Celestin as well?

That potentially looks like one of the architects of corruption to me

 

[JohnJoyce]

The good news is that AVZ will pay the arbitration costs within the required time and the ICC and ICSID will begin to action their findings on the cases.

Fasken (Zijin’s lawyers) have lodged voluminous submissions in their attempts to stall proceedings. The international courts hearing these cases are aware of that fact and must now be witnessing CAMI and the Minister of Mines protection of the corrupt parties involved (Cominiere, Zijin, Dathomir) as well as their roles in the violations of ICC and ICSID orders.

Here’s some information on Twitter and the Minister of Mines colluding with Zijin and wearing a Manono Lithium shirt

x.com

x.com

View attachment 73781
View attachment 73783
View attachment 73784


BTW, thanks to @Cumquat Cap @Azzler @TheCount @cruiser51 and others for keeping the crapper trolls away. Every time we get positive news the low life’s try and spin negative bullshit into the forum and not one of them has posted any actual information.

These pictures make me physically
Sick.

 

[BRICK]

The good news is that AVZ will pay the arbitration costs within the required time and the ICC and ICSID will begin to action their findings on the cases.

Fasken (Zijin’s lawyers) have lodged voluminous submissions in their attempts to stall proceedings. The international courts hearing these cases are aware of that fact and must now be witnessing CAMI and the Minister of Mines protection of the corrupt parties involved (Cominiere, Zijin, Dathomir) as well as their roles in the violations of ICC and ICSID orders.

Here’s some information on Twitter and the Minister of Mines colluding with Zijin and wearing a Manono Lithium shirt

x.com

x.com

View attachment 73781
View attachment 73783
View attachment 73784


BTW, thanks to @Cumquat Cap @Azzler @TheCount @cruiser51 and others for keeping the crapper trolls away. Every time we get positive news the low life’s try and spin negative bullshit into the forum and not one of them has posted any actual information.

Ive found a concerning detail in one of the images.... @Carlos Danger care to explain?

 

[Dave Evans]

Is that Celestin as well?

Yes, the photo is from Cominiere’s twitter page

 

[Dazmac66]

Zijin's lawyers are obviously ok with it. Wouldn't you advise your client to refrain from posting evidence clearly breaching court orders. Unless you knew the case was unwinnable and a settlement would be negotiated for them to keep the asset.

 

[PhatCatz]

the issue is DRC are balls deep in this now and will get reamed by either us or the Chinese. I think most likely both of AVZ and the Chinese will take turns reaming these corrupt dogs. Chinese will play dumb if this goes the distance and sue them for signing mining licences etc. on basis of false information provided to them.

 

[wombat74]

Zijin's lawyers are obviously ok with it. Wouldn't you advise your client to refrain from posting evidence clearly breaching court orders. Unless you knew the case was unwinnable and a settlement would be negotiated for them to keep the asset.

" I bring to your particular attention that at the request of the company AVZ, the parties have agreed to settle the dispute amicably. However the defence team has recommended the continuation of the arbitration as long as AVZ does not diminish its ambitions." MoM to Prime Minister 18/07/24

MoM's amnesia might have cured itself now we $$flush$$ and taking their corrupt arses to the ICSID .

 

[mikejoho]

the issue is DRC are balls deep in this now and will get reamed by either us or the Chinese. I think most likely both of AVZ and the Chinese will take turns reaming these corrupt dogs. Chinese will play dumb if this goes the distance and sue them for signing mining licences etc. on basis of false information provided to them.

Well, IMO, the Chinese are the Major corrupt dogs in this.

Zijin, as a large corporate with large resources, would/ should have performed their level of due diligence when entering into the initial illegal slice of 13359. They would / should have known about AVZ and its status, and then elected to plan their dirty game from a long way out. Their sophisticated corruption then led the DRC to sign a ridiculously unfavourable contract for the North, which could be considered ‘unconscionable conduct’ at best. It was like a large fat corrupt cat toying with a helpless mouse.

Good luck with the ‘playing dumb’ and the false information defence. It is as transparent as the ‘this new Rolex is just a Christmas gift’ routine.

Don’t let anyone tell you they ‘outplayed’ and was ‘too smart’ etc. This was just disgusting, and I hope they are outed on the world stage for the grubby gangsters that they are.

 

[Dave Evans]

Well, IMO, the Chinese are the Major corrupt dogs in this.

Zijin, as a large corporate with large resources, would/ should have performed their level of due diligence when entering into the initial illegal slice of 13359. They would / should have known about AVZ and its status, and then elected to plan their dirty game from a long way out. Their sophisticated corruption then led the DRC to sign a ridiculously unfavourable contract for the North, which could be considered ‘unconscionable conduct’ at best. It was like a large fat corrupt cat toying with a helpless mouse.

Good luck with the ‘playing dumb’ and the false information defence. It is as transparent as the ‘this new Rolex is just a Christmas gift’ routine.

Don’t let anyone tell you they ‘outplayed’ and was ‘too smart’ etc. This was just disgusting, and I hope they are outed on the world stage for the grubby gangsters that they are.

My take on it this

The DRC (Cominiere) violated our FROR, illegally sold 15% of Dathcom to Zijin and then illegally seized our project (Easily proved in ICC and ICSID).

Even though Zijin was part of this collusion they know it was Cominiere who broke the law. It was actually Zijin who released the tape of Kibeya taking the bribe and then made threats to Cominiere if Cominiere broke their agreement.

Since then Cominiere has used Zijin’s lawyers to fight their case because they are broke.

Sama Lukonde, Adele Kayinda, Antoinette N’samba, Athanase Mwamba, JF Mupande, Guy Loando and Simon Cong were involved in various ways in this case.

Tshisekedi thought he could replace Lukonde, Kayinda, N’samba, Athanase Mwamba and JF Mupande and the new ministers etc would take care of the problem.

Unfortunately for them AVZ’s lawyers and shareholders continued to expose the corruption which now includes the new Minister of Mines, Kibeya and the new head of CAMI.

The DRC have been desperately trying to get new investors to invest in their corrupt mining sector for months now, travelling around the world and trying to promote themselves at every forum and failing woefully.

With the US and EU investing billions in the Lobito Corridor, the spotlight is constantly being shone on the DRC’s corruption.

The DRC’s attempt at turning a blind eye to their own corruption has failed and they know Zijin won’t let them off the hook so now they are trying to swing a deal with western investors that would include Zijin getting paid compensation for the illegal work they have done.

There are rumours of a consortium of influential western investors wanting to take over the whole project and Tshisekedi wanting to get this done so that they don’t have to pay penalties to AVZ or Zijin

 

[Pokok]

Joke Friday , lets see who I can upset ... Why is there no Disneyland in China ?? Because nobody is tall enough to go on the good rides . what do you call a chinese business Billionaire ? Cha Ching