AVZ Discussion 2022

Flight996

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I’m going to give everyone here my view on the US. I’m not going to get into any bullshit about how I feel about trump, this is an AVZ thread, not a thread about bullshit.

The fact is he’s leading in the electoral college votes and it looks like he’s going to win. Business in the US loves that and the US business climate affects the Australian business climate.

Australian stocks are up today, especially IT stocks and I would think US and Australian stocks will be up again tomorrow if he wins.

The other thing about this is it will be good for AVZ. trump wants more manufacturing and jobs in the US and even if he’s a non believer in climate change and a friend of the big texan fossil fuel companies, he will still want lithium batteries manufactured in the US.

This bodes well for companies like KoBold buying out all those with claims on Manono and those big names associated with Kobold have contacts with deep pockets.

Usually I just like commenting on AVZ but I think the macro economic picture here is relevant and good for AVZ shareholders.

From an AVZ shareholder point of view, I wonder if he will abandon the Democrats' policy of financial support for the Lobito corridor rail link.

You would think, given Trump's published views on international aid in general, and African aid in particular, that he may tear up the agreement.

Just thinking out aloud.

Cheers
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Cumquat Cap

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Agree Dave, it is certainly possible trump rips up Lobito corridor funding - but he won’t do this before he tries to screw the related African countries over a barrel - art of the deal etc

If for strategic reasons trump takes (his son Eric involved in African investing) a cursory interest in the DRC/Gertler affair - Felix will be fucked imo

Dems have been too soft/patient in my view (not a trump supporter by any stretch)
 
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SilentOne

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From an AVZ shareholder point of view, I wonder if he will abandon the Democrats' policy of financial support for the Lobito corridor rail link.

You would think, given Trump's published views on international aid in general, and African aid in particular, that he may tear up the agreement.

Just thinking out aloud.

Cheers
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My thoughts are if there is a buck to be made he wont - if its in America's interest.



Regards,

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Flight996

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My thoughts are if there is a buck to be made he wont - if its in America's interest.



Regards,

SilentOne

Yes, indeed there is no interest like self-interest.

However, I understand that the US owns no major mines in the DRC. Most large-scale DRC copper and cobalt mining operations are joint ventures between Chinese companies and the DRC-owned Gécamines.

I am unsure if US mining interests in Zambia alone are sufficient to sway Mr Trump.

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Mute22

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@geo_au please add a few words as an update - even if the timeline you suggested has blown out a bit.
Thx.
Usual pumpers are awfully quiet on all channels.. 🤔
 
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Now @geo_au you may not be able to "spill the beans" so to speak, however i noticed that Bill Gates is a hard and fast Republican supporter, do you also think 🤔 that will favour or hinder AVZs current position 😉 ...
Bill gates is not openly a republican supporter?
 
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Usual pumpers are awfully quiet on all channels.. 🤔

Okay Mute, I’ll throw my hat into the ring. Obviously there will be announcement this week which will include our cash balance which we know has been substantially drained by litigation funding because that was the plan by the corrupt actors involved.

I imagine Zijin’s lawyers (Fasken) have done everything they could do to stall our arbitration. I also imagine we will see remuneration cuts from the BOD and possibly an announcement that the Locke funding has finally been approved.

Why has it taken so long is a question that’s been brought up a number of times and no one has answered it. Here’s a few possibilities I can think of. The BOD may have put it off in the hopes that the DRC might negotiate a fair deal, but knowing the corruption in the DRC, the DRC more than likely kept leading us on with meetings in Belgium and France before the minister of lies, whoops, I mean minister of mines decided to come out with a lie and say there were no meetings between AVZ and DRC representatives.

Another reason could be, perhaps powerful people behind the scenes were trying to delay ICC and ICSID orders being enforced because they had their own plans for negotiations.

I’m talking about Bill Gates and his billionaire mates who are behind Kobold. We know one of those men in the group that recently visited our site was a geologist who worked with AVZ on our DFS and knows the value of our project.

By the way, if people working behind the scenes for Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates and Kobold are looking at buying this project out and want AVZ to end arbitration, here’s my thoughts on what our project is worth 👇

We have a defined lithium pegmatite deposit of 840 million tonnes (equal to 13.5 million tonnes of Li2O) multiplied by today’s price which is at a low) of US$800/tonne = $US10.8 billion.

Thats AU$15,654,000,000.00
= $15 billion 654 million Australian dollars
= > $4 per share

Li2O has been over US$8000/tonne
= Over $150 billion Australian dollars
= > $40 per share

Lithium futures prices recently were between US$1,000 - US$2,000/tonne
= Over $5 per share

Near term futures pricing is short to medium term and the life of mine pricing should be well above that

The only thing I would add is that if the members of Fat Tail had rolled our BOD last year, there’s a good chance they would have sold out for $0.01 cent a share. That was what they seemingly thought it was worth.
 
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Mute22

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Okay Mute, I’ll throw my hat into the ring. Obviously there will be announcement this week which will include our cash balance which we know has been substantially drained by litigation funding because that was the plan by the corrupt actors involved including everyone associated with Zijin.

I imagine Zijin’s lawyers (Fasken) have done everything they could do to stall our arbitration. I also imagine we will see remuneration cuts from the BOD and possibly an announcement that the Locke funding has finally been approved.

Why has it taken so long is a question that’s been brought up a number of times and no one has answered it. Here’s a few possibilities I can think of. The BOD may have put it off in the hopes that the DRC might negotiate a fair deal, but knowing the corruption in the DRC, the DRC more than likely kept leading us on with meetings in Belgium and France before the minister of lies, whoops, I mean minister of mines decided to come out with a lie and say there were no meetings between AVZ and DRC representatives.

Another reason could be, perhaps powerful people behind the scenes were trying to delay ICC and ICSID orders being enforced because they had their own plans for negotiations.

I’m talking about Bill Gates and his billionaire mates who are behind Kobold. We know one of those men in the group that recently visited our site was a geologist who worked with AVZ on our DFS and knows the value of our project.

By the way, if people working behind the scenes for Jeff Bezoss, Bill Gates and Kobold are looking at buying this project out and want AVZ to end arbitration, here’s my thoughts on what our project is worth 👇

We have a defined lithium pegmatite deposit of 840 million tonnes (equal to 13.5 million tonnes of Li2O) multiplied by today’s price which is at a low) of US$800/tonne = $US10.8 billion.

Thats AU$15,654,000,000.00
= $15 billion 654 million Australian dollars
= > $4 per share

Li2O has been over US$8000/tonne
= Over $150 billion Australian dollars
= > $40 per share

Lithium futures prices recently were between US$1,000 - US$2,000/tonne
= Over $5 per share

Near term futures pricing is short to medium term and the life of mine pricing should be well above that

The only thing I would add is that if the members of Fat Tail BOD had rolled our BOD last year, there’s a good chance they would have sold out for $0.01 cent a share. That was what they seemingly thought it was worth.
Hoping the delay on Locke and eerily quiet communication from the ‘inner circle’ is because of some genuine progress or deal behind the scenes.

Not sure what else would cause anyone here to ‘Jump for joy’, certainly not years more litigation
 
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https://x.com/Presidence_RDC/status/1854110092200718443

Oh, FFS, get your hand off it Felix!
 
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Kudos

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Okay Mute, I’ll throw my hat into the ring. Obviously there will be announcement this week which will include our cash balance which we know has been substantially drained by litigation funding because that was the plan by the corrupt actors involved.

I imagine Zijin’s lawyers (Fasken) have done everything they could do to stall our arbitration. I also imagine we will see remuneration cuts from the BOD and possibly an announcement that the Locke funding has finally been approved.

Why has it taken so long is a question that’s been brought up a number of times and no one has answered it. Here’s a few possibilities I can think of. The BOD may have put it off in the hopes that the DRC might negotiate a fair deal, but knowing the corruption in the DRC, the DRC more than likely kept leading us on with meetings in Belgium and France before the minister of lies, whoops, I mean minister of mines decided to come out with a lie and say there were no meetings between AVZ and DRC representatives.

Another reason could be, perhaps powerful people behind the scenes were trying to delay ICC and ICSID orders being enforced because they had their own plans for negotiations.

I’m talking about Bill Gates and his billionaire mates who are behind Kobold. We know one of those men in the group that recently visited our site was a geologist who worked with AVZ on our DFS and knows the value of our project.

By the way, if people working behind the scenes for Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates and Kobold are looking at buying this project out and want AVZ to end arbitration, here’s my thoughts on what our project is worth 👇

We have a defined lithium pegmatite deposit of 840 million tonnes (equal to 13.5 million tonnes of Li2O) multiplied by today’s price which is at a low) of US$800/tonne = $US10.8 billion.

Thats AU$15,654,000,000.00
= $15 billion 654 million Australian dollars
= > $4 per share

Li2O has been over US$8000/tonne
= Over $150 billion Australian dollars
= > $40 per share

Lithium futures prices recently were between US$1,000 - US$2,000/tonne
= Over $5 per share

Near term futures pricing is short to medium term and the life of mine pricing should be well above that

The only thing I would add is that if the members of Fat Tail had rolled our BOD last year, there’s a good chance they would have sold out for $0.01 cent a share. That was what they seemingly thought it was worth.
 

Kudos

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Don’t forget the tin credits! The price of tin has increased over the last 2 years and has favourable supply-demand characteristics going forward.
 

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Okay Mute, I’ll throw my hat into the ring. Obviously there will be announcement this week which will include our cash balance which we know has been substantially drained by litigation funding because that was the plan by the corrupt actors involved.

I imagine Zijin’s lawyers (Fasken) have done everything they could do to stall our arbitration. I also imagine we will see remuneration cuts from the BOD and possibly an announcement that the Locke funding has finally been approved.

Why has it taken so long is a question that’s been brought up a number of times and no one has answered it. Here’s a few possibilities I can think of. The BOD may have put it off in the hopes that the DRC might negotiate a fair deal, but knowing the corruption in the DRC, the DRC more than likely kept leading us on with meetings in Belgium and France before the minister of lies, whoops, I mean minister of mines decided to come out with a lie and say there were no meetings between AVZ and DRC representatives.

Another reason could be, perhaps powerful people behind the scenes were trying to delay ICC and ICSID orders being enforced because they had their own plans for negotiations.

I’m talking about Bill Gates and his billionaire mates who are behind Kobold. We know one of those men in the group that recently visited our site was a geologist who worked with AVZ on our DFS and knows the value of our project.

By the way, if people working behind the scenes for Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates and Kobold are looking at buying this project out and want AVZ to end arbitration, here’s my thoughts on what our project is worth 👇

We have a defined lithium pegmatite deposit of 840 million tonnes (equal to 13.5 million tonnes of Li2O) multiplied by today’s price which is at a low) of US$800/tonne = $US10.8 billion.

Thats AU$15,654,000,000.00
= $15 billion 654 million Australian dollars
= > $4 per share

Li2O has been over US$8000/tonne
= Over $150 billion Australian dollars
= > $40 per share

Lithium futures prices recently were between US$1,000 - US$2,000/tonne
= Over $5 per share

Near term futures pricing is short to medium term and the life of mine pricing should be well above that

The only thing I would add is that if the members of Fat Tail had rolled our BOD last year, there’s a good chance they would have sold out for $0.01 cent a share. That was what they seemingly thought it was worth.
Locke funding deal with litigation matters only..........not part working capital

That may have been a stumbling block.

just a thought.
 
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Hey Mr President, can you get the fark out of Mcdonalds and solve this Manono heist please ?

If you could get KOBOLD to take over AVZ in one day like you promised you would fix the Ukraine war, it would be much appreciated !

Yes, mass deportation is required , get us the fark out of DRC and....

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Make the deal happen and MAVZGA.

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SilentOne

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Lube up Felix

Question:

Who is besties with Donald Trump (Elon Musk)
Who builds electric cars (Elon Musk)
Who needs lithium (Elon Musk)
Who doesnt want China controlling the Lithium Market (Elon Musk/Donald Trump)

I suspect/guess that Elon is all over Manono (speculation)

SilentOne - Do Your Own Research
 
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RHyNO

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As good as the idea is. Musk and trump getting involved with our management with so many grifters attached to our company is about as likely as a $40 per share takeover. Just bad math backed by poor speculation. Nigel is our only hope, his battles in the courts will determine this and not the geopolitical Tradewinds and lucid dreams of silent posters!
 
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SilentOne

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As good as the idea is. Musk and trump getting involved with our management with so many grifters attached to our company is about as likely as a $40 per share takeover. Just bad math backed by poor speculation. Nigel is our only hope, his battles in the courts will determine this and not the geopolitical Tradewinds and lucid dreams of silent posters!

Rhyno,

I am not saying that Elon or Trump would get involved in our Management. My point is blocking the Chinese from stealing Manono is in both our interest and theirs.

Regards,

SilentOne
 
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A good post by Capital King on the LTR thread:

Hi All,

I have pondered the question about how a Trump or Harris presidency would affect lithium stocks and to be honest the pathway forward looks good under both presidencies for different reasons.

There are a few distinct points that need to be considered separately:
  • Traditional energy production as a utility to reduce inflation rather than opposition to clean renewables.
  • EV Consumer Demand vs EV Mandates.
  • EV arms race between America and China.

Traditional Energy Production:

It would be over-simplistic and a mistake to view Trump's preference for traditional energy production as anti-EV.

I view Trump's policies around production of US domestic traditional energy more as two-fold.
  1. Trump views traditional energy production primarily as a utility to reduce inflationary pressures in the US economy (which will help cool inflation here too) as expensive energy costs are passed onto the end consumers for all products. This has nothing to do with EVs other than if energy costs drop, it becomes both cheaper to fill up at the pump for ICE and to charge an EV at the wall.
  2. Secondly, a boost in US energy exports will help the US capitalise on additional revenue. Absolutely nothing to do with EVs.
I only state the above to clear misconceptions which I think would be easily and naturally concluded.

EV Consumer Demand VS EV Mandates:

Let it be very clear, neither Trump nor Vance have anything against EVs at all. If they did, they wouldn't have tremendous support from Elon Musk.

Their view on the EV market is more driven by consumer choices (opposed to mandates) and wanting to compete globally in the exports market, which I'll cover in the next section.

When Vance had been asked about honouring the $500 million General Motors is receiving from a Biden policy to convert the Lansing Grand River Assembly plant from making internal combustion engine cars (ICE) to producing electric vehicles (EV), JD Vance said:
  • The Democratic presidential nominee (Harris), is "offering table scraps" - I believe the Republican's might offer more.
  • “So neither me nor President Trump has ever said that we want to take any money that’s going to Michigan auto workers out of the state of Michigan”
  • “We certainly want to invest in Michigan auto workers as much as possible."
If you consider that EVs are the future and consumer demand is already increasing GLOBALLY, and the US want to tap into the global export markets too, its a no brainer that Trump will want to see America lead this through natural consumer demand. With Elon Musk to be leading the Department of Government Efficiencies, he is probably going to want to cut red tape to make the production of EVs in America on a much larger scale. This will also extend to the manufacturing of battery cells within America instead of China which is a Republican concern.

You also need to consider that if the US wants to compete in global exports of vehicles, they will need to produce more EVs as this is expectation in other economies such as the growing EU markets. The momentum behind EVs is simply too strong to stop. Globally, automakers and governments are committed to the transition to electric, with investments and policy incentives set years in advance. Major automakers have already shifted their production lines to EVs. Regardless of short-term policy changes, the market demand for EVs will continue to drive lithium demand forward.

Here is a short clip from Vance explaining that they are not against EVs.


The EV arms race between America and China:


As I have previously alluded to, Trump wants America to be at the forefront of vehicle manufacturing including EVs if that is where consumer demand is (which it is). Don't let rhetoric fool you, Trump, Vance, and Elon are well aware that the future is electric and will be doing everything they can to ensure America wins the EV arms race.

There is no way they will allow China to out compete the US in this regard... It's more likely that with the help of Elon, they will seek to produce more EVs than China if thats what it takes to compete globally and protect Detroit / Michigan.

We must also consider the need for maturation of the lithium and EV market. If Trump wants to "bring back manufacturing" to Detroit and Michigan by boosting production in the US, which is driven by consumer trends continually favouring EVs, this will be an important and crucial step in the lithium markets maturing and curbing China's dominance in this space. As much as China has contributed so far to EV production, the market needs increased competition from EV manufacturing in the US to loosen China's grip here. We have seen how China can manipulate the price of lithium if they remain the largest player in the production market.

Under Harris, I'm not sure if EV manufacturing would be the same in the US, it's more likely that American's would be driving more foreign (Chinese) imported EVs as opposed to American made EVs than compared to under Trump. Ultimately, the high consumer demand will set the course and it's clear that lithium demand will also continue to be high, and it's better that lithium is purchased by the US than by China where pricing is not transparent and prone to manipulation.

From a US nationalist perspective, Trump would prefer to source lithium from within the US, but as we know the global demand for lithium is projected to increase drastically and the US will need to continue to source from allied nations such as Australia. Not all lithium is equal, and our lithium will always be in demand. There is a good reason why Liontown Resource has chosen to partner with Ford and Tesla for lithium supply from the beginning.

It's not clear how it exactly plays out, but the overall trajectory is positive in my opinion. I think it's not a straight-forward topic and the markets will take time to realise this.

Kind regards,
CK
 
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aon

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Bill gates is not openly a republican supporter?
Yes my apology (post deltd) Bill Gates decided this year to back Harris to the tune of 50mil. I wonder if our pending good news took into account a change to a Trump government 🤔. Geo how say you, will this affect our game changing news??
 
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Azzler

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Question:

Who is besties with Donald Trump (Elon Musk)
Who builds electric cars (Elon Musk)
Who needs lithium (Elon Musk)
Who doesnt want China controlling the Lithium Market (Elon Musk/Donald Trump)

I suspect/guess that Elon is all over Manono (speculation)

SilentOne - Do Your Own Research
I'd hope so but I wouldn't count on it.
Elon repeatedly states that Lithium is everywhere, he has no problems with sourcing it wherever it is.
He's never made a stance on control of critical minerals, I don't think it bothers him much if the chinese get it, he'll just buy it from them anyway.
Elon isn't besties with Trump, he's stated in the past. not directly, that he doesn't think very much of him.
His support is only an anti-democrat move, he was a life long democrat voter until recently.
And I agree, the Democrats are so fucked up, even lefties are realising the Repubs are a better choice now.

Elon is a legend though!
 
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