AVZ Discussion 2022
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This is exactly what I think.
I believe we would best be served if we completely ignored Ty/geist from here on.
There's a great saying, "Don't go where your enemy leads you."
Cumquat Cap
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Yep good call, please anyone with X jump onto Moise Katumbi’s account and spam his post with information relating to coniniere and Zijin fraud, avz et al. Gaining huge traction with many new Congolese following. Perfect timing for new cabinet to address as they take formation this week
Sammy_da_Smile
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Sammy_da_Smile
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Desperately trying to bait Nigel and SHs to distract, you only have to see the post by Katumbi to know it is game over for them.
Make that 54K views! "No pressure for politicians at all." Hmmm not sure about that Schnitty, hard for Felix to ignore this coming fro such a prominent figure.
Azzler
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A quick and hilarious note that Der Geist has suddenly unblocked me on X.
It seems he wants the engagement, the focus.
So in keeping with what I said before about not going where your enemy leads you, I suggest we all ignore him and let him piss into the wind with no engagement.
Same with Ty.
Well as with the acccounts I mean, I believe it's all the same people on both accounts.
Desperate move IMO, things might be about to happen.
Keep the focus and pressure on Cominiere and Zijin IMO.
Forget these losers.
It seems he wants the engagement, the focus.
So in keeping with what I said before about not going where your enemy leads you, I suggest we all ignore him and let him piss into the wind with no engagement.
Same with Ty.
Well as with the acccounts I mean, I believe it's all the same people on both accounts.
Desperate move IMO, things might be about to happen.
Keep the focus and pressure on Cominiere and Zijin IMO.
Forget these losers.
Cumquat Cap
Regular
65k views and counting. That cockhead coniniere/bouclier guy going hard trying to hide the corruption also. Cominiere are surely fucked with new govt
Xerof
Biding my Time 1971
For the record, here's what Outcast has posted on X via a whole series of short tweets, in response to Tryharder Dudcock assertions
Hey @LudbrookTy
You already likely know the specific events that transpired between Feb-2021 and Mar-2022 from Peter H., other sources and they are:
1. Mar-2021: after 4 formal reports were filed by $AVZ, the Decree to issue ML was given by MoM.
2. Apr, May-2021: #CAMd issued procedure to AVZ for next several steps of paperwork including calculating surface acreage for issuing Bill Invoice for mining rights of AVZ.
3. By this time the secret deal between #Zijin and @cominiereSA was ongoing without AVZ knowledge.
4. Jun, Jul-2021: @JFMF, at the time #CAMI MD was notified several times that Surface rights Invoice did not include "North" and should be corrected and recomputed for AVZ to make the Invoice payment.
@JFMF for the first time told AVZ that North is excluded on purpose.
5. Jul, Aug-2021: For first time AVZ suspected foul-play & demanded proper reason for excluding the North attaching the Mining Code & JVA legal Clauses as reference to this demand. @JFMK willingly ignored AVZ demand to buy more time for the hastily construed #Zijin deal.
6. Aug, Sep-2021: MoM was involved along with AVZ legal who all together reviewed specific mining code & JVA legal clauses concluding the 60 day surface rights payment deadline is passed. MoM told AVZ that North will be given PR 5 year extention for AVZ Research Permit.
7. Sep-2021: Further, in these urgent MoM meetings, South will be given ML or the PE and AVZ should relinquish the North so that the South PE/ML and SOuth will be only used for Surface Rights. application is independent from North AVZ new 5 year extension PR. AVZ agreed.
8. Sep-2021: @cominiereSA for the first time sent a letter to AVZ that it will be selling 15% of its 25% to Zijin and AVZ must accept it. AVZ refused the deal by responding to the letter. It was now clear to AVZ why @JFMK was not issuing correct surface rights Invoice.
9. Oct, Nov-2021: It was now clear to AVZ that MoP was sabotaging the ML/PE and was pressuring AVZ to accept the Zijin deal. The paperwork to separate south & north had began by AVZ as MoM had originally assured AVZ that North be renewed for AVZ. This was never finalized.
10. Nov,Dec-2021: The application to separate north and south was never formally registered by cami because the process was underway. The document that is circulating on social media is the same doc. but has been modified by Cominiere where the box is "checked" by fraud.
11. Jan, Feb-2022: As AVZ never agreed to the north and south separation, the work in progress never got completed and registered formally. MoP, @JFMK were both angry at AVZ. AVZ announced that the Decree to issue ML/PE has been revoked with details.
12. Mar-2022: AVZ has the digital scan copy of document circulating on social media where the "properties"of software file shows "creation date" & "modified date" and the box is "not checked". This forensic analysis is to authenticate document is tamper proof for
@icsid
13. Hope these actual events and details are sufficient for @LudbrookTy to stop spreading lies & prevent him or her from further irreversible legal damage.
Of course all this will be meticulously documented at the ICC and ICSID, including the forensic evidence of fraudulent alterations of documents
Tryhard seems to have been seduced by the snake oil salesmen
Hey @LudbrookTy
You already likely know the specific events that transpired between Feb-2021 and Mar-2022 from Peter H., other sources and they are:
1. Mar-2021: after 4 formal reports were filed by $AVZ, the Decree to issue ML was given by MoM.
2. Apr, May-2021: #CAMd issued procedure to AVZ for next several steps of paperwork including calculating surface acreage for issuing Bill Invoice for mining rights of AVZ.
3. By this time the secret deal between #Zijin and @cominiereSA was ongoing without AVZ knowledge.
4. Jun, Jul-2021: @JFMF, at the time #CAMI MD was notified several times that Surface rights Invoice did not include "North" and should be corrected and recomputed for AVZ to make the Invoice payment.
@JFMF for the first time told AVZ that North is excluded on purpose.
5. Jul, Aug-2021: For first time AVZ suspected foul-play & demanded proper reason for excluding the North attaching the Mining Code & JVA legal Clauses as reference to this demand. @JFMK willingly ignored AVZ demand to buy more time for the hastily construed #Zijin deal.
6. Aug, Sep-2021: MoM was involved along with AVZ legal who all together reviewed specific mining code & JVA legal clauses concluding the 60 day surface rights payment deadline is passed. MoM told AVZ that North will be given PR 5 year extention for AVZ Research Permit.
7. Sep-2021: Further, in these urgent MoM meetings, South will be given ML or the PE and AVZ should relinquish the North so that the South PE/ML and SOuth will be only used for Surface Rights. application is independent from North AVZ new 5 year extension PR. AVZ agreed.
8. Sep-2021: @cominiereSA for the first time sent a letter to AVZ that it will be selling 15% of its 25% to Zijin and AVZ must accept it. AVZ refused the deal by responding to the letter. It was now clear to AVZ why @JFMK was not issuing correct surface rights Invoice.
9. Oct, Nov-2021: It was now clear to AVZ that MoP was sabotaging the ML/PE and was pressuring AVZ to accept the Zijin deal. The paperwork to separate south & north had began by AVZ as MoM had originally assured AVZ that North be renewed for AVZ. This was never finalized.
10. Nov,Dec-2021: The application to separate north and south was never formally registered by cami because the process was underway. The document that is circulating on social media is the same doc. but has been modified by Cominiere where the box is "checked" by fraud.
11. Jan, Feb-2022: As AVZ never agreed to the north and south separation, the work in progress never got completed and registered formally. MoP, @JFMK were both angry at AVZ. AVZ announced that the Decree to issue ML/PE has been revoked with details.
12. Mar-2022: AVZ has the digital scan copy of document circulating on social media where the "properties"of software file shows "creation date" & "modified date" and the box is "not checked". This forensic analysis is to authenticate document is tamper proof for
@icsid
13. Hope these actual events and details are sufficient for @LudbrookTy to stop spreading lies & prevent him or her from further irreversible legal damage.
Of course all this will be meticulously documented at the ICC and ICSID, including the forensic evidence of fraudulent alterations of documents
Tryhard seems to have been seduced by the snake oil salesmen
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Frank
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Fyi, The Days of Our DRC Lives continues, while Felix fucks off to France 
As,
Formation of the government Judith Suminwa: why does the government announcement take time?
The new Prime Minister of the DRC, Judith Suminwa, appointed on April 1, has still not officially taken office.
Three weeks after her appointment by President Félix Tshisekedi, she is still in consultations to form her new government.
It was announced for the end of the month, but this deadline seems increasingly difficult to meet.
Officially, there is no constitutional deadline for forming a government in the Democratic Republic of Congo.
We cannot speak of a delay regarding its announcement, however, sources close to the authorities assured that the new government team of the DRC should be revealed before the end of April.
A deadline which today seems difficult to meet.
The Head of State's schedule is particularly busy for the days to come, including a trip of several days to Europe and an official trip to France on April 28 and 29.
The first since coming to power.
The president will be accompanied by outgoing ministers.
“The government will rather be when it returns, probably around May 3,” explains a person close to the presidency.
One of the difficulties in forming this new government is due to the very nature of the Sacred Union of the Nation (USN), the platform which supported the candidacy of Félix Tshisekedi for this second term.
Its main quality is also sometimes its fault: it is gigantic. “Elephantic,” says a Congolese political scientist.
At least 400 elected officials, nearly 40 parties with a large majority in the National Assembly of course, but a lot of waiting on the part of all these allies.
Towards a tighter cabinet
Expectations which are not necessarily aligned with the stated ambition of having a tighter ministerial cabinet.
We are talking about 45 positions compared to more than 55 today.
Even if the work had been cleared upstream by the secretary general of the UDPS Augustin Kabuya during his information mission, Prime Minister Judith Suminwa has her own ideas.
She therefore resumed a cycle of consultations, quite broad since this week, she met artists, trade union organizations and other actors in civil society.
The parties which can claim a position in the government, it is necessary to have at least seven elected officials, must propose three names of potential candidates per position, coming from three different provinces.
A balanced provincial distribution is, in fact, one of the key elements of the government puzzle.
Finally, last aspect, linked to respect for institutions, Judith Suminwa to begin her work must be presented to the National Assembly, for this, the office must be set up and it is not easy on that side either.
The presidential majority had to organize a primary to succeed in bringing out its candidate for president of the institution.
Primary held at the People's Palace in Kinshasa, the Congolese Parliament, this Tuesday and which saw the victory of Vital Kamerhe.
For political scientist Christian Moleka, what led to this primary was “the difficult management of ambitions”.
What Augustin Kabuya, who signed the summons of deputies for this primary, did not hide at all: “The candidates could not come to an agreement,” he confided to RFI.
“Discomfort within the Sacred Union” Three candidates for one position.
On the one hand, Vital Kamerhe, at the head of the second political force in the Assembly, after the UDPS, originating from the East, an important element, because the president and the Prime Minister are from the West, he ticked all the boxes to claim the perch.
But Modeste Bahati, outgoing president of the Senate, also from the East and at the head of a party with around thirty elected officials, saw himself changing rooms.
While Christophe Mboso, outgoing president of the Assembly, hoped to remain in office.
Head of State Félix Tshisekedi has not made a decision, at least not officially.
“Wanting to leave arbitration to elected officials reveals the indecision and unease that exists within the Sacred Union,” adds Christian Moleka.
And it's not over, since several positions remain to be filled within the office of the National Assembly.
The UDPS, which therefore did not have the presidency, is aiming for the vice-presidency.
For which candidate?
A question to which there is no answer yet.
It will not be Augustin Kabuya who once announced that he wanted to run for this position, but who has since reversed this decision.
mediacongo
As,
Formation of the government Judith Suminwa: why does the government announcement take time?
The new Prime Minister of the DRC, Judith Suminwa, appointed on April 1, has still not officially taken office.
Three weeks after her appointment by President Félix Tshisekedi, she is still in consultations to form her new government.
It was announced for the end of the month, but this deadline seems increasingly difficult to meet.
Officially, there is no constitutional deadline for forming a government in the Democratic Republic of Congo.
We cannot speak of a delay regarding its announcement, however, sources close to the authorities assured that the new government team of the DRC should be revealed before the end of April.
A deadline which today seems difficult to meet.
The Head of State's schedule is particularly busy for the days to come, including a trip of several days to Europe and an official trip to France on April 28 and 29.
The first since coming to power.
The president will be accompanied by outgoing ministers.
“The government will rather be when it returns, probably around May 3,” explains a person close to the presidency.
One of the difficulties in forming this new government is due to the very nature of the Sacred Union of the Nation (USN), the platform which supported the candidacy of Félix Tshisekedi for this second term.
Its main quality is also sometimes its fault: it is gigantic. “Elephantic,” says a Congolese political scientist.
At least 400 elected officials, nearly 40 parties with a large majority in the National Assembly of course, but a lot of waiting on the part of all these allies.
Towards a tighter cabinet
Expectations which are not necessarily aligned with the stated ambition of having a tighter ministerial cabinet.
We are talking about 45 positions compared to more than 55 today.
Even if the work had been cleared upstream by the secretary general of the UDPS Augustin Kabuya during his information mission, Prime Minister Judith Suminwa has her own ideas.
She therefore resumed a cycle of consultations, quite broad since this week, she met artists, trade union organizations and other actors in civil society.
The parties which can claim a position in the government, it is necessary to have at least seven elected officials, must propose three names of potential candidates per position, coming from three different provinces.
A balanced provincial distribution is, in fact, one of the key elements of the government puzzle.
Finally, last aspect, linked to respect for institutions, Judith Suminwa to begin her work must be presented to the National Assembly, for this, the office must be set up and it is not easy on that side either.
The presidential majority had to organize a primary to succeed in bringing out its candidate for president of the institution.
Primary held at the People's Palace in Kinshasa, the Congolese Parliament, this Tuesday and which saw the victory of Vital Kamerhe.
For political scientist Christian Moleka, what led to this primary was “the difficult management of ambitions”.
What Augustin Kabuya, who signed the summons of deputies for this primary, did not hide at all: “The candidates could not come to an agreement,” he confided to RFI.
“Discomfort within the Sacred Union” Three candidates for one position.
On the one hand, Vital Kamerhe, at the head of the second political force in the Assembly, after the UDPS, originating from the East, an important element, because the president and the Prime Minister are from the West, he ticked all the boxes to claim the perch.
But Modeste Bahati, outgoing president of the Senate, also from the East and at the head of a party with around thirty elected officials, saw himself changing rooms.
While Christophe Mboso, outgoing president of the Assembly, hoped to remain in office.
Head of State Félix Tshisekedi has not made a decision, at least not officially.
“Wanting to leave arbitration to elected officials reveals the indecision and unease that exists within the Sacred Union,” adds Christian Moleka.
And it's not over, since several positions remain to be filled within the office of the National Assembly.
The UDPS, which therefore did not have the presidency, is aiming for the vice-presidency.
For which candidate?
A question to which there is no answer yet.
It will not be Augustin Kabuya who once announced that he wanted to run for this position, but who has since reversed this decision.
mediacongo
Carlos Danger
Top 20
Cookers gonna cook imo
Not even worth my time pointing out the numerous glaring errors in those posts like I did when he was crapping on about the purported 20 week master plan blueprint 26 weeks ago because I have covered it previously and clearly no one here cares about the truth
If anyone can actually prove that Dathcom didn't relinquish the north using the mining code I would love to hear it. Answers can be in French or English as I can read both. In the meantime I will be reviewing my notes of what Nigel said at the 2022 AGM regarding this matter and reading the exact wording of the May 4th 2022 official announcement by AVZ which doesn't mention any of that nonsense (and if it had of included that purported information I would have immediately sold all of my shares and avoided suspension) while I wait lmao
Can anyone remember the Nigel interview where he mentions organising a meeting before the ML Decree i think, where he says trying to get everyone for a meeting was like "herding cats"?.
I could feel his frustration and felt like something was in the back of his mind, in hindsight should have sold but the SP kept going up.
Nellie17
Regular
Just wondering the meaning of your -
'Is cookers gonna cook'?
(Whom is the cooker)?
I'm wondering if the cooker is the lion who 'was' about to roar?
Also can you please prove that Dathcom did relinquish the North using the mining code. In any language will do, as I will use Google translate.
Cheers,
Nells x
"No one here cares about the truth", steady up.mate!
I have no idea what the truth is but Wouldn't DLA Piper have a fair understanding of this situation? Wouldn't they point out that half the tenement had been relinquished?
Carlos Danger
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I purposefully kept the question as simple as possible and yet you still somehow failed. Feel free to try again whenever you have something of value to contribute and are done with only playing chinese whispers or engaging in ad hominem attacks on anyone that dares to question your dear leader even if they agree with pretty much everything else he says apart from this issue. Miaou miaou x
Carlos Danger
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My request of loving to hear how Dathcom didn't relinquish the north using the mining code is especially open to anyone at DLA Piper. I think they are doing an amazing job given the circumstances. Particularly with their intervention on Marius's extra 5m as well as their advice to the bod regarding the 'significant further impetus for a negotiated outcome' that the ICSID interim orders provides.
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