AVZ Discussion 2022
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I think it's time to expose the president.
Celestine is a small fry, our focus on him is immaterial because it's the Ministers that allow Celetine to operate.
And at this stage, it's overwhelmingly clear that they know whats goin on, so does the president.
Unless someone with a serious ear to the ground tells us otherwise.
I feel it's HIGH time we expose the president.
Not insults, just expose, embarrass, state the obvious. Ping/tag people who matter to him. State the story.
Celestine is a small fry, our focus on him is immaterial because it's the Ministers that allow Celetine to operate.
And at this stage, it's overwhelmingly clear that they know whats goin on, so does the president.
Unless someone with a serious ear to the ground tells us otherwise.
I feel it's HIGH time we expose the president.
Not insults, just expose, embarrass, state the obvious. Ping/tag people who matter to him. State the story.
Expose his weak spot, luxury watches lol.....
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/8574377/peru-presidents-house-raided-in-luxury-watches-probe/
I think it's safe to assume they are all corrupt.
You won't get anywhere near a position of power in the DRC unless you have greased some palms.
From AJN 15/02/2024 121 Capetown Mining Investment Presentation:
Where AJN talks about AVZ's 669 Mt Manono pegmatites (RD) and not Cominiere's pegmatite.
(What does AJN know?)
AVZ made 18/12/2023 the ASX announcement that CdL contained 173 Mt.
I thought MoM and Cominiere entourage were present at the 121 Mining Investment Presentation and not a peep, maybe they missed a bit and were just out on a jolly drinking piss over at KWV Emporium.
Where AJN talks about AVZ's 669 Mt Manono pegmatites (RD) and not Cominiere's pegmatite.
(What does AJN know?)
AVZ made 18/12/2023 the ASX announcement that CdL contained 173 Mt.
I thought MoM and Cominiere entourage were present at the 121 Mining Investment Presentation and not a peep, maybe they missed a bit and were just out on a jolly drinking piss over at KWV Emporium.
Yes, and equally, those Cominiere and CAMI baboons get away with their corrupt behaviours because their Ministers and in turn their President allows it.
Felix is no less corrupt than the rest of the rotting carcass of his administration.
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Cumquat Cap
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Let’s wait and see what management say re going after Felix, I’m ready and motivated to go hard once we know for sure negotiations aren’t progressing in good faith
Frank
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Minister of Mines Antoinette N’Samba appointed Mines Inspector by Minister of Mines Antoinette N’Samba
The web is burning over the order of the Minister of Mines Antoinette N’samba Kalambayi appointing Mines inspectors.
The web is scandalized by the fact that the minister also appointed herself Mines Inspector.
The realities to which ordinary Congolese people are subjected by those who govern the country are beyond all understanding, deplores an analyst.
Elected national deputy in the legislative elections last December, Antoinette N’Samba found a way to protect her back.
One wonders if this act is really legal given that it is a first in the history of public administration, mining sector.
If such a case has occurred in the past, there is reason to conclude that the Congo must inevitably be rebuilt.
The complaint made around the minister's decree deserves the opening of a judicial investigation to enlighten public opinion on this way of managing such an important sector.
There is also reason to question the lack of effectiveness of government action in several areas of life.
Some ministers in office only think about their stomachs instead of getting things done.
Let the minister, handling current affairs, give herself this freedom to name and name herself, the Congo is definitely in bad shape.
For the mines inspection which justifies this appointment, "the members of the mining management are automatically transferred to the general mines inspection"
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Very Scomo of her.
This Mining Inspector's job is a mystery.
Why would she bother taking on that role when it's so cheap and easy and misdirecting to pay one off.
My initial reaction was that there must be some Ministerial decision making power (affecting Manono & maybe other projects) that requires a Mining Inspector's recommendation or maybe they are empowered to make certain operational decisions. In the circumstances I'd be looking for an impending Ministerial/mining operational decision relating to AVZ malpractice at Manono that would disqualify them from a ML.
Maybe she 'can't trust' getting the exact advice/decision she requires unless she does it herself.
If she's doing this out in the open at this stage of proceedings (it's just so egregious for her to take on the Mining Inspectors role) that it smacks of a nod from the top of the political tree to cook the books - desperation ie she's been paid to deliver an outcome and she's now going to intervene.
The Scomo clue is right on the money - compelling!
Just realised I've become my own worst nightmare, a conspiracy theorist lol
Why would she bother taking on that role when it's so cheap and easy and misdirecting to pay one off.
My initial reaction was that there must be some Ministerial decision making power (affecting Manono & maybe other projects) that requires a Mining Inspector's recommendation or maybe they are empowered to make certain operational decisions. In the circumstances I'd be looking for an impending Ministerial/mining operational decision relating to AVZ malpractice at Manono that would disqualify them from a ML.
Maybe she 'can't trust' getting the exact advice/decision she requires unless she does it herself.
If she's doing this out in the open at this stage of proceedings (it's just so egregious for her to take on the Mining Inspectors role) that it smacks of a nod from the top of the political tree to cook the books - desperation ie she's been paid to deliver an outcome and she's now going to intervene.
The Scomo clue is right on the money - compelling!
Just realised I've become my own worst nightmare, a conspiracy theorist lol
I believe that the chinese are so entangled with DRC politicians that Felix has to wait for an outcome from the courts that are detrimental to the DRC National interest that he can then say to china, sorry we have to act on the court decisions. Lets face it, all the DRC corruption is so engrained the only thing Felix can trust is external court decisions.
Scoota30
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I think it is just because the toothless tiger doesn't yet have a backbone. The longer this drags out, the more damage he does to his own country via the ICSID fines and further reputational damage which will discourage western investment. His smartest move forward is to bring all parties together for some form of a negotiated settlement whereby everyone has to "give a little" so that all parties are appeased as Carlos has been saying for a long while.
If he doesn't grow a backbone after this new government is formed, it will probably be the worst decision for him. If we go the full length and AVZ end up with what we are entitled, what's to stop Zijin from then taking the DRC Gov to court for giving them (albeit illegally as per mining code) a percentage ownership and then taking it off of them? The best path forward for everyone is still a negotiated settlement.
Re: The best path forward for everyone is still a negotiated settlement.
Yes, and this is consistent with Nigel's view for some time..."that the company's preference is to achieve a negotiated resolution with the DRC..."
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I'm of the same opinion.
For me April is key, hopefully we have funding sorted out and then the new government formed.
If no progress after that then I wouldn't be expecting anything to happen outside of running the court process. Which also to me means Felix doesn't give AF.
To be honest, I already think he doesn't give AF but he seems to have excuse after excuse made for him. First it was elections coming up, then it was waiting for some court cases so he could look like he has no choice to save face to the chinese, then it was waiting for a new government to form.
I think after April there aren't any excuses for him anymore.
Hodlandwin69
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Yeh like wtf, how long is it meant to take to form government/cabinet?
Gotta wait for the brown paper bag musical chairs to finish up first
Yes mate, Felix has no backbone I am just trying to be hopeful. For MoM to appoint herself as an inspector of mines and not be challenged (to even have the audacity to do this is bizarre) by the government shows how inept the government is. I am trying to remain hopeful but its like 1 step forward hit the snake and go back to the start.
Largus Averta
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You don't negotiate with terrorists. Zijin can suck a bag of dicks as far as I'm concerned.
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