AVZ Discussion 2022

[Dazmac66]

What an absolutely clueless dipshit of a leader. He has got NO IDEA what his Country is doing.........

"THIS" is the problem we face - the negative forces obviously feed off his lack of ability.....

Nigel - get over there and lance this boil of a useless Politician. Gloves off mate, diplomacy is dead when it's only one-sided..

TC.

PS - welcome back @Frank

Put aside the fact that this dude is full of shite - how can the elite of African mining sit in a room listening to this dribble and not raise the question of the recently upgraded largest and purist lithium deposit on the planet? Hello - is anyone there? Has anyone heard of Manono? AVZ? ICSID? ICC? It's like Fawlty Towers only 100 times more rediculous.

 

[wombat74]

Put aside the fact that this dude is full of shite - how can the elite of African mining sit in a room listening to this dribble and not raise the question of the recently upgraded largest and purist lithium deposit on the planet? Hello - is anyone there? Has anyone heard of Manono? AVZ? ICSID? ICC? It's like Fawlty Towers only 100 times more rediculous.

That's because most in that room are as corrupt as each other . China is f--king them all up the freckle and they love it .

 

[Scoota30]

What an absolutely clueless dipshit of a leader. He has got NO IDEA what his Country is doing.........

"THIS" is the problem we face - the negative forces obviously feed off his lack of ability.....

Nigel - get over there and lance this boil of a useless Politician. Gloves off mate, diplomacy is dead when it's only one-sided..

TC.

PS - welcome back @Frank

It is a lackluster performance by everyone:

• Airbus Albo will fly to the US to do a photo shoot with Biden about critical minerals but won't bother to take a trip to go see Felix
• Not one mention from Madeleine King or Penny Wong about this or flying over for support???
• Now would be a perfect opportunity for our federal government to build a relationship with the DRC and introduce an ambassador directly to the DRC
• Would be a perfect opportunity for Serge, Dr Casta, Ambassador Salmone & Balthazar to go over and do long form interviews or podcasts with someone like Kiki as well as another one of those small video documentaries of them at site and with the locals

What exactly are we achieving by being quietly diplomatic? The relationship is well and truly weathered moving forward if by some miracle this does get to mine. Nothing has worked yet so why don't we try the public critism route of the government.

 

[Winenut]

It is a lackluster performance by everyone:

• Airbus Albo will fly to the US to do a photo shoot with Biden about critical minerals but won't bother to take a trip to go see Felix
• Not one mention from Madeleine King or Penny Wong about this or flying over for support???
• Now would be a perfect opportunity for our federal government to build a relationship with the DRC and introduce an ambassador directly to the DRC
• Would be a perfect opportunity for Serge, Dr Casta, Ambassador Salmone & Balthazar to go over and do long form interviews or podcasts with someone like Kiki as well as another one of those small video documentaries of them at site and with the locals

What exactly are we achieving by being quietly diplomatic? The relationship is well and truly weathered moving forward if by some miracle this does get to mine. Nothing has worked yet so why don't we try the public critism route of the government.

Not neccessarily public criticism but I fully endorse full engagement and your 3rd and 4th points make a lot of sense

• Now would be a perfect opportunity for our federal government to build a relationship with the DRC and introduce an ambassador directly to the DRC
• Would be a perfect opportunity for Serge, Dr Casta, Ambassador Salmone & Balthazar to go over and do long form interviews or podcasts with someone like Kiki as well as another one of those small video documentaries of them at site and with the locals

Get jonnno @jonnnono in there as well

He is truly a champion for the good of the DRC

 

[wombat74]

Certainly seems like they are a protected species. I don't buy the argument that Lisette's appointment and that of Célestin were aimed at isolating them as fall-guys to deflect blame away from the establishment should the Cominiere-Manono case spectacularly implode. To me it appears more as though they are simply benefiting from their close connections to the highest levels of the Congolese political elite.

Could well be proven wrong though, so I'll continue to live in hope!

And it could be that shutting down Cominiere would stir things up and result in significant risk to those who have previously supported or benefited from it, or draw undesirable attention to the corruption environment more generally, so its easier to simply keep quiet on it. Or even to continue backing it from a mostly hands-off perspective.

Agree . Felix hiding behind Comminere . Letting them do his dirty work while he distances himself from the situation . My fear is they will leave Roche Dure sit there while China gets the North into production and they (DRC) let the ICSID procedure run its's course over the next 3 years . We are yet to be convinced they give a rats arse about ICSID . CAMI Portal case in point .

 

[Mute22]

So are we expecting news soon given the supposed reply periods of the court?

Could it be they asked for another delay?

 

[Carlos Danger]

So are we expecting news soon given the supposed reply periods of the court?

Could it be they asked for another delay?

According to the official announcement the Interim Orders are binding on all parties and took effect immediately on January 16th

The DRC don't care. The DRC don't give a fuck.

 

[oxxa23]

Quick check in after a bit of time away.....

hope everyone is travelling well...

drc still fucked it appears...

Cheers

 

[Winenut]

Quick check in after a bit of time away.....

hope everyone is travelling well...

drc still fucked it appears...

Cheers

Yep....

Nice to see you back chief

 

[Deleted member 2378]

According to the official announcement the Interim Orders are binding on all parties and took effect immediately on January 16th

The DRC don't care. The DRC don't give a fuck.

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I said it over a year ago, they continue until they fuck us over. The revoked decree in January was a strong sign. The order to give it to cominiere in October, after the ICSID had started and they „worked“ on a MoU, was the final confirmation. They will continue to give a fuck, and even if we win a 100 billion verdict they will not pay anything. The last coins will get in the pockets of the lawyers and the management, that never reduced their salaries even after they talked about it at the roadshows over a year ago.

My last hope was that the president will order the Chinese to pay a „fair“ price to us to stop the damage of the countries reputation. Unfortunately it looks like he gives a fuck about that too.

 

[Winenut]

I said it over a year ago, they continue until they fuck us over. The revoked decree in January was a strong sign. The order to give it to cominiere in October, after the ICSID had started and they „worked“ on a MoU, was the final confirmation. They will continue to give a fuck, and even if we win a 100 billion verdict they will not pay anything. The last coins will get in the pockets of the lawyers and the management, that never reduced their salaries even after they talked about it at the roadshows over a year ago.

My last hope was that the president will order the Chinese to pay a „fair“ price to us to stop the damage of the countries reputation. Unfortunately it looks like he gives a fuck about that too.

I disagree....

 

[Deleted member 2378]

I disagree....

I‘m thankful if you are right! But until today the drc did nothing in our favor.
What do you believe will happen?

 

[Winenut]

I‘m thankful if you are right! But until today the drc did nothing in our favor.
What do you believe will happen?

The opposite to you

 

[Deleted member 2378]

The opposite to you

You think they give us our rights back and a ML?
But why did they don’t follow the icsid ruling?

 

[Dom1974]

Because DRC have asked for an extension to reply to the ruling. Once both sides have responded, ICSID will then issue its final orders, probably end of February at this rate. At that point, they must comply.

 

[Deleted member 2378]

Because DRC have asked for an extension to reply to the ruling. Once both sides have responded, ICSID will then issue its final orders, probably end of February at this rate. At that point, they must comply.

Final orders? And for what reason exist this part then? „The order took effect immediately on January 16th“
If they don’t take effect immediately, that sounds illogical.

 

[Roon]

Because DRC have asked for an extension to reply to the ruling. Once both sides have responded, ICSID will then issue its final orders, probably end of February at this rate. At that point, they must comply.

Im curious. - do you know for a fact, that DRC have applied for an extension for their response comments, or is this speculation?

 

[Bray]

Of course they would have, it’s the DRC.
Then they’ll request an extension of the extension

 

[robface]

Not sure when last updated, case suspended from Feb 2nd?

 

[Mr_Tones83]

Not sure when last updated, case suspended from Feb 2nd?

I just checked that too. Yesterday was still saying latest development was 16th Jan... some movement at the station, not sure what it means though
An explanation would be nice though... as well as an update on ICC which was handing down their ruling on jurisdiction for Zijin 'late January'.