AVZ Discussion 2022

[cruiser51]

'The United States is prepared to turn a blind eye to hastily organized elections in the DRC, however contentious'

DR Congo presidential election: partial results give Tshisekedi a clear lead | Africanews

As at christmas day, Félix Tshisekedi, who has been in power since the beginning of 2019 and is running for a second five-year term, has achieved a score of 81.4% according to the Céni,

www.africanews.com

DR Congo presidential election: partial results give Tshisekedi a clear lead

The Democratic Republic of Congo's electoral commission (Céni) on Monday continued to release partial results from the December 20-21 presidential election, with incumbent leader Félix Tshisekedi leading by a wide margin -over 80% of the vote.

The results announced so far relate to 1,876,827 voters, out of a total of nearly 44 million registered in the vast country of around 100 million inhabitants.

At this stage of the vote count, according to the Céni, Félix Tshisekedi, who has been in power since the beginning of 2019 and is running for a second five-year term, has achieved a score of 81.4%.

He was followed by businessman and former governor of Katanga (southeast) Moïse Katumbi (15.18%) and the other opponent Martin Fayulu (1.2%). The twenty or so other candidates in the running, including Nobel Peace Prize winner Denis Mukwege, failed to reach 1%.

The Céni has not established the turnout rate, but has decided to gradually release the results of the presidential elections since Friday. These were held at the same time as the legislative, provincial and local elections, for which the results will be published at a later date.

The quadruple ballot had been scheduled for one day, the 20th, but was extended due to a number of logistical problems, officially by one day but extending into Christmas in some remote areas.

Opposition candidates have been denouncing the "chaos" and "irregularities" that marred the vote since the very first day.

Some are planning a demonstration for next Wednesday, while others are calling for the elections to be cancelled outright. The Catholic Archbishop of Kinshasa, Cardinal Fridolin Ambongo, described the elections as a "gigantic mess" during his Christmas mass on Sunday evening.

Like some fifteen embassies before him, the prelate called for "prudence and restraint" in a country with a troubled political history, often marked by violence, whose subsoil is immensely rich in minerals but whose population is predominantly poor.

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And there was a Belgian election observer in Kinshasa, who highly likely observed what he shouldn't have observed, with the result he went flying from the 12th floor, without parachute. I feel very sorry for his family.
He was one of the very few of the team that stayed to observe.

Maybe he should have enjoyed the food, smile a lot and only take mental notes, leave the report writing till it is safe to do so.
However it is pretty clear the rest of the observers should understand the message, if they value their life.

Dead men don't talk.
But, it is reported as suicide, why am I not surprised.

 

[Deleted member 2378]

Have someone the chance to remove the paywall? I didn’t get it with the methods I found.
All I could found elsewhere is that Madagascar ignoring a icsid ruling since 2020.

https://www.africaintelligence.com/...tananarivo-ignores-icsid-ruling,109998846-art

@9cardomaha hopefully you can explain me what consequences the drc really have to face if they ignore the icsid? And how can we enforce a verdict? And if we claim for damages, who or how will they pay for it?

I wonder the whole time why the MoM made the order to give it all to cominiere after the icsid process had already started and a MoU was „close“. I mean they knew it for a long time and for me it looks like they decided to ignore it before they continued to fuck us over.

I’m interested what you think about it.

 

[BEISHA]

'The United States is prepared to turn a blind eye to hastily organized elections in the DRC, however contentious'

DR Congo presidential election: partial results give Tshisekedi a clear lead | Africanews

As at christmas day, Félix Tshisekedi, who has been in power since the beginning of 2019 and is running for a second five-year term, has achieved a score of 81.4% according to the Céni,

www.africanews.com

DR Congo presidential election: partial results give Tshisekedi a clear lead

The Democratic Republic of Congo's electoral commission (Céni) on Monday continued to release partial results from the December 20-21 presidential election, with incumbent leader Félix Tshisekedi leading by a wide margin -over 80% of the vote.

The results announced so far relate to 1,876,827 voters, out of a total of nearly 44 million registered in the vast country of around 100 million inhabitants.

At this stage of the vote count, according to the Céni, Félix Tshisekedi, who has been in power since the beginning of 2019 and is running for a second five-year term, has achieved a score of 81.4%.

He was followed by businessman and former governor of Katanga (southeast) Moïse Katumbi (15.18%) and the other opponent Martin Fayulu (1.2%). The twenty or so other candidates in the running, including Nobel Peace Prize winner Denis Mukwege, failed to reach 1%.

The Céni has not established the turnout rate, but has decided to gradually release the results of the presidential elections since Friday. These were held at the same time as the legislative, provincial and local elections, for which the results will be published at a later date.

The quadruple ballot had been scheduled for one day, the 20th, but was extended due to a number of logistical problems, officially by one day but extending into Christmas in some remote areas.

Opposition candidates have been denouncing the "chaos" and "irregularities" that marred the vote since the very first day.

Some are planning a demonstration for next Wednesday, while others are calling for the elections to be cancelled outright. The Catholic Archbishop of Kinshasa, Cardinal Fridolin Ambongo, described the elections as a "gigantic mess" during his Christmas mass on Sunday evening.

Like some fifteen embassies before him, the prelate called for "prudence and restraint" in a country with a troubled political history, often marked by violence, whose subsoil is immensely rich in minerals but whose population is predominantly poor.

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Its absolutely gob smacking that a president could garner a 80% vote approval , even at this early stage of the count for potentially leaving the DRC in a worse postion than when he took office in 2019.

I mean , at least the DRC locals knew what they were up for when Kabila was in office, corruption, despair and no hope full stop, but FT mandate was to quell corruption, up lift the locals standard of living, he conducted multiple trips around the globe spruiking that DRC was the epi centre of lithium battery hub, the vibe was positive...........yet in the end, DRC locals lives are still in despair, the war rages on and Manono is still stuck in the shit hole and corruption carries on unabated aka Cominiere / Zijin.

The ole saying, 'under promising and over delivering' is much better than 'over promising and under delivering "......or in FT case, delivering nothing.

Anyway, it is what it is , FT will receive another term in office, almost a monty for sure , so thus hoping @Dave Evans theory comes true and FT awards AVZ the ML once the politics is over.

Hoping that sometime in 2024 , the pain and anguish of LTH of AVZ for the last 20 months, turns into a bit of joy....

peeps !!

imo

 

[Doc]

K

Well for me personally I am tired of all this shit that these low life black fucken cunts and all the slant eyed asshole pricks have put us through the last 20 months , my life has been on hold and lets face it has the Australian government done one fucken thing to help , NO , so I have been quiet with my thoughts but now no longer , you the oz government want me to retire and not claim a pension ??? get off your fuckern ass and support your own people instead of sucking up to the Chinese , fuck them, fuck them off and also we might have a place to rent instead of them owing so many units in Sydney just for their kids to go to uni ,,, hummm are we seeing the big picture now they own us because the goverment wants the taxes , we are sold out , OK neil enough local vodka , but at least I am honest

 

[Bray]

Interesting find this morning while browsing through Nabtrade news, IDA (Indiani Resources Limited) has been going through ICSID with Tanzania for dramas similar to ours has accepted ICSID findings and agreed via letter from the Attorney General to pay the amount owing currently 118 Million + interest.
PDF attached from Nabtrade for those interested

 

[Winenut]

Well for me personally I am tired of all this shit that these low life black fucken cunts and all the slant eyed asshole pricks have put us through the last 20 months , my life has been on hold and lets face it has the Australian government done one fucken thing to help , NO , so I have been quiet with my thoughts but now no longer , you the oz government want me to retire and not claim a pension ??? get off your fuckern ass and support your own people instead of sucking up to the Chinese , fuck them, fuck them off and also we might have a place to rent instead of them owing so many units in Sydney just for their kids to go to uni ,,, hummm are we seeing the big picture now they own us because the goverment wants the taxes , we are sold out , OK neil enough local vodka , but at least I am honest

Finally another contender for "the mantle" emerges!!

 

[Cumquat Cap]

Interesting find this morning while browsing through Nabtrade news, IDA (Indiani Resources Limited) has been going through ICSID with Tanzania for dramas similar to ours has accepted ICSID findings and agreed via letter from the Attorney General to pay the amount owing currently 118 Million + interest.
PDF attached from Nabtrade for those interested

Interesting read and further solidifies the fact that African countries take ICSID very seriously. Cmon DRC, you can’t afford to pay 10b plus interest

 

[Hemicuda]

Finally another contender for "the mantle" emerges!!

It’s just simple fact, everyone is thinking it

 

[Winenut]

It’s just simple fact, everyone is thinking it

Yeah

But just "thinking" it won't earn you the mantle

 

[Bray]

Interesting read and further solidifies the fact that African countries take ICSID very seriously. Cmon DRC, you can’t afford to pay 10b plus interest

It's great to see they're respecting ICSID decisions, maybe old mate will send DRC a text letting them know maybe they should sort their shit out

 

[Winenut]

Thank god the stock market is open today

I was getting withdrawal symptoms....

 

[Dave Evans]

Its absolutely gob smacking that a president could garner a 80% vote approval , even at this early stage of the count for potentially leaving the DRC in a worse postion than when he took office in 2019.

I mean , at least the DRC locals knew what they were up for when Kabila was in office, corruption, despair and no hope full stop, but FT mandate was to quell corruption, up lift the locals standard of living, he conducted multiple trips around the globe spruiking that DRC was the epi centre of lithium battery hub, the vibe was positive...........yet in the end, DRC locals lives are still in despair, the war rages on and Manono is still stuck in the shit hole and corruption carries on unabated aka Cominiere / Zijin.

The ole saying, 'under promising and over delivering' is much better than 'over promising and under delivering "......or in FT case, delivering nothing.

Anyway, it is what it is , FT will receive another term in office, almost a monty for sure , so thus hoping @Dave Evans theory comes true and FT awards AVZ the ML once the politics is over.

Hoping that sometime in 2024 , the pain and anguish of LTH of AVZ for the last 20 months, turns into a bit of joy....

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peeps !!

imo

Nigel has had meetings with Tshisekedi thanks to Marius. Marius may have taken offence to comments by DLA Piper but doesn’t have an issue with Nigel and Marius has also condemned Kibeya Kabemba through this whole saga. Marius is now mending his relationship with Tshisekedi after a lot of mud was thrown at him.

I don’t think Tshisekedi had the power (or numbers) to do everything he wanted and he has had to deal with corrupt members of his parliament, including Guy Loando who pretends to support him.

I’m not suggesting he is squeaky clean obviously, all I’m doing is trying to post facts, and as far as election rigging, I’ve commented on that in the past, and you can either go with Tshisekedi, who gave the IGF more power which enabled us to present his evidence to the ICC and ICSID or you could go with Kutumbi who is a mining magnate, friend of Joseph Kabila and a former governor of Katanga. My thoughts on Katumbi are that he is also mates with Loando, Cong, Jerkoff and Allard so who do you prefer!

You can’t clean up endemic corruption in a single term and the DRC and other African countries wanting a greater slice of the battery metals pie is another issue we have to deal with on top of the years of deep seated corruption.

I don’t need counter arguments replying to this post, it’s just what I remember from watching things unfold and I basically don’t give a shit about bullshit comments and whinging, I’m only interested in facts.

Through this whole ordeal shareholders here have used this forum to vent and complain, and many of those never once posted one piece of information or research that was helpful to our cause.

I know you’re a good bloke BEISH and you make the effort to go to AGM’s and ask pertinent questions and bring the information back to this forum. That’s the kind of thing I keep my eye out for, not people venting their frustration and talking bullshit.

There’s a bloke on Twitter named August V who is very knowledgeable on politics who has explained quite a lot about the corruption in the DRC and how it would be impossible to eradicate it in one term in office.

I put his photo below and hopefully it won’t get time wasting responses to the fact he’s showing a photo of Tshisekedi with Biden because there’s already too many political comments on threads by people who don’t have the first idea about politics or economics

Tshisekedi is also incentivised to grant our ML and get Manono under construction because of Katumbi getting more votes in Tanganyika and Haut Katanga

 

[Dave Evans]

Omni Bridgeway down again. Bring on a class action against them

 

[BEISHA]

Well for me personally I am tired of all this shit that these low life black fucken cunts and all the slant eyed asshole pricks have put us through the last 20 months , my life has been on hold and lets face it has the Australian government done one fucken thing to help , NO , so I have been quiet with my thoughts but now no longer , you the oz government want me to retire and not claim a pension ??? get off your fuckern ass and support your own people instead of sucking up to the Chinese , fuck them, fuck them off and also we might have a place to rent instead of them owing so many units in Sydney just for their kids to go to uni ,,, hummm are we seeing the big picture now they own us because the goverment wants the taxes , we are sold out , OK neil enough local vodka , but at least I am honest

Hi Pokok

Completely understand your frustration mate, completely agree with your sentiment regards to the perceived lack of support from our australian government and the sell out of our real estate to foreigners, but what i dont agree with..........is the racist connotations .

Not cool.

Just sayin.

 

[BEISHA]

Nigel has had meetings with Tshisekedi thanks to Marius. Marius may have taken offence to comments by DLA Piper but doesn’t have an issue with Nigel and Marius has also condemned Kibeya Kabemba through this whole saga. Marius is now mending his relationship with Tshisekedi after a lot of mud was thrown at him.

I don’t think Tshisekedi had the power (or numbers) to do everything he wanted and he has had to deal with corrupt members of his parliament, including Guy Loando who pretends to support him.

I’m not suggesting he is squeaky clean obviously, all I’m doing is trying to post facts, and as far as election rigging, I’ve commented on that in the past, and you can either go with Tshisekedi, who gave the IGF more power which enabled us to present his evidence to the ICC and ICSID or you could go with Kutumbi who is a mining magnate, friend of Joseph Kabila and a former governor of Katanga. My thoughts on Katumbi are that he is also mates with Loando, Cong, Jerkoff and Allard so who do you prefer!

You can’t clean up endemic corruption in a single term and the DRC and other African countries wanting a greater slice of the battery metals pie is another issue we have to deal with on top of the years of deep seated corruption.

I don’t need counter arguments replying to this post, it’s just what I remember from watching things unfold and I basically don’t give a shit about bullshit comments and whinging, I’m only interested in facts.

Through this whole ordeal shareholders here have used this forum to vent and complain, and many of those never once posted one piece of information or research that was helpful to our cause.

I know you’re a good bloke BEISH and you make the effort to go to AGM’s and ask pertinent questions and bring the information back to this forum. That’s the kind of thing I keep my eye out for, not people venting their frustration and talking bullshit.

There’s a bloke on Twitter named August V who is very knowledgeable on politics who has explained quite a lot about the corruption in the DRC and how it would be impossible to eradicate it in one term in office.

I put his photo below and hopefully it won’t get time wasting responses to the fact he’s showing a photo of Tshisekedi with Biden because there’s already too many political comments on threads by people who don’t have the first idea about politics or economics

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Tshisekedi is also incentivised to grant our ML and get Manono under construction because of Katumbi getting more votes in Tanganyika and Haut Katanga

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I will be the first one to admit that i have had my fair share of whinges regards to FT and i will back off now cause you do make good points about " Rome wasnt built in a day " regards to corruption.

Katumbi was never a option for DRC president, as i agree with you.........he is corrupt to the core.

I have made my feelings clear in past posts as to who i would of liked to see become president, but they have no hope, so we have to now put the faith in the incumbent in the hope his mandate of 2019 finally comes to fruition in his second term.

Either that or ICSID / ICC arbitrations force the issue.....

Personally i prefer a expedited, amicable binding MOU to come to the fore so that there is no more time delays, to foster better relations and get on with the job of awakening the best lithium project on the planet..........Manono.

imo

 

[cruiser51]

I will be the first one to admit that i have had my fair share of whinges regards to FT and i will back off now cause you do make good points about " Rome wasnt built in a day " regards to corruption.

Katumbi was never a option for DRC president, as i agree with you.........he is corrupt to the core.

I have made my feelings clear in past posts as to who i would of liked to see become president, but they have no hope, so we have to now put the faith in the incumbent in the hope his mandate of 2019 finally comes to fruition in his second term.

Either that or ICSID / ICC arbitrations force the issue.....

Personally i prefer a expedited, amicable binding MOU to come to the fore so that there is no more time delays, to foster better relations and get on with the job of awakening the best lithium project on the planet..........Manono.

imo

I prefer not to make any predictions regarding the DRC election, however I can remember Nigel mumbling something along the lines of: I expect FT to win.
I would say our people working in the DRC have a better feeling about what is happening on the ground in the DRC than me.

If FT wins, it would be in the DRC's interest he wins with a huge majority, so he can implement his policies and people can see him as a leader reappearing with a real set of cajones.
Also he can't use the argument that he is only still president, thanks to turtle head and the green dragon, amongst others.

To have a crack at eradicating corruption, he needs balls and a strong hand.

Will a strong FT help our cause? I bloody hope so.

If I was CKK, I wouldn't go near the 12th floor and risk free flying lessons.
Snakes don't fly well.

 

[BEISHA]

I prefer not to make any predictions regarding the DRC election, however I can remember Nigel mumbling something along the lines of: I expect FT to win.
I would say our people working in the DRC have a better feeling about what is happening on the ground in the DRC than me.

If FT wins, it would be in the DRC's interest he wins with a huge majority, so he can implement his policies and people can see him as a leader reappearing with a real set of cajones.
Also he can't use the argument that he is only still president, thanks to turtle head and the green dragon, amongst others.

To have a crack at eradicating corruption, he needs balls and a strong hand.

Will a strong FT help our cause? I bloody hope so.

If I was CKK, I wouldn't go near the 12th floor and risk free flying lessons.
Snakes don't fly well.

If FT wins, it would be in the DRC's interest he wins with a huge majority, so he can implement his policies

Excellent point...

No more excuses.

 

[TLH]

Well for me personally I am tired of all this shit that these low life black fucken cunts and all the slant eyed asshole pricks have put us through the last 20 months , my life has been on hold and lets face it has the Australian government done one fucken thing to help , NO , so I have been quiet with my thoughts but now no longer , you the oz government want me to retire and not claim a pension ??? get off your fuckern ass and support your own people instead of sucking up to the Chinese , fuck them, fuck them off and also we might have a place to rent instead of them owing so many units in Sydney just for their kids to go to uni ,,, hummm are we seeing the big picture now they own us because the goverment wants the taxes , we are sold out , OK neil enough local vodka , but at leat I

Hi Pokok

Completely understand your frustration mate, completely agree with your sentiment regards to the perceived lack of support from our australian government and the sell out of our real estate to foreigners, but what i dont agree with..........is the racist connotations .

Not cool.

Just sayin.

I agree the comments were out of line.
AVZ have worked hard to build relationships with many good people in the DRC. Racist comments serve no benefit to shareholders.
We have already seen how Klaus has exaggerated and blown comments out of proportion to falsely reflect views noted on social media.
I don’t mean to have a crack Pokok as I get you are frustrated like the rest of us.
I am looking forward to the ML being issued so AVZ can finally showcase our experience and friendliness of Aussies for the win-win relationship.
The mental frustrations are killer but with so many positives let’s hope 2024 is our year.

 

[Peterg]

When is the ICC outcome?
Anyone know?. I thought it should have been announced before Xmas.