AVZ Discussion 2022

[oxxa23]

One is considered a major shareholder if they hold 800,000 or more and to my knowledge nothing has changed.

I had 800k in my trust and 100k in super and didn't get an invite... phoned up and was allowed to go, initial soft cap was 1m

 

[9cardomaha]

Struggle to comprehend how witnesses can have an impact on the decision?

Cunt 3: We delay, confuse, while behind the scenes we move. The more time we have the more chance we have of success. Delay delay delay.

I loled

 

[Roon]

Old mate CKK's comments on X (who some believe to be a fake account, but given his antics I think is probably legit) suggests that he did deliver testimony. Looking forward to seeing the outcome, should point the path forward. Glad to hear Zijin showed up, I actually kind of expected they might pull out last minute like I wish I had done with my last girlfriend.

 

[Bin59]

Articles about witness statements in International Arbitration. Hopefully we had witnesses of our own.

Witness Statements in International Arbitration • Aceris Law

www.acerislaw.com

New ICC report takes bold move to tackle unreliability of witness testimony

The report analyses the psychological science of human memory, and offers arbitrators and counsel guidance to enhance the probative value of fact witness evidence

iccwbo.org

 

[geo_au]

Anyone is aware of the statement made by the chairman at the hearing?

https://x.com/ulli_from_eze/status/1710661671218266435?s=12

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Comminiere certainly active on Twitter and very angry, feels like it's not gone in their direction
AVZ Price at posting: 78.0¢ Sentiment: Buy Disclosure: Held

 

[Winenut]

 

[BEISHA]

You were at Sydney I take it, these sound very familiar.

The AGM was in Perth and the notes are pretty much spot on from my memory of being there.

I am sure @Scoota30 and @tonster66 would agree.

 

[BEISHA]

Pretty sure there is a transcript of the ICC chairman's closing statement floating around, will see if i can get my hands on a copy.

Just a few updates on the entire jurisdictional hearing for everyone - ZJ did show up, and basically called every witness they could conceive to the stand. Including my sister-in-law's, boyfriend's best friend's counsin's weasel.

CKK was a planned witness for ZJ but i haven't confirmed his appearance (last i heard he didn't have a valid visa for France) and I can confirm ZJ's Kinsasha rep was there Mr Xie - we all know ZJs arguments for the 15% is filled with falsehoods and bullshit so won't rehash it here, its all just fucking stupid, but that didn't stop them from kitchen sinking their testimonies.

Verdict on whether ICC has jurisdiction and whether the case will be withdrawn on these grounds is expected to be finalised BEFORE w/c november 6.

Personal views (take it or leave it):

The arbitrator is a wildcard with some questionable decisions on extensions and delays in favour of ZJ thus far, so it's not a simple open-and-shut "fuck off Zijin" situation yet. However, recent decisions by the arbitrator (declining request for consolidation, declining request for even longer extensions) show that the arbitrator is likely seeing through the ZJ bullshit and hopefully can rule in our favour.

80+% likelihood of obtaining favourable ruling on jurisdiction is my view given the above.

"ZJ did show up, and basically called every witness they could conceive to the stand".

What a joke, this is all about legal documentation and abiding by the DRC mining code......simples.

 

[Roon]

The AGM was in Perth and the notes are pretty much spot on from my memory of being there.

I am sure @Scoota30 and @tonster66 would agree.

Yah these were my AGM notes, I jotted them down on computer whilst listening online so they should be relatively close, with some margin of error drawn partly from whiskeys consumed and more directly by my perennial inability to learn touch typing at school

 

[BRICK]

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Will the AGM include this slide?

 

[Winenut]

Isn't the ICC case currently at hand between Jin Cheng and AVZI?

Zijin did not actually bring this case to arbitration.......Jin Cheng did

And isn't that specifically the crux of the jurisdictional arguement from AVZI to get it thrown out?

ie That Jin Cheng cannot bring this case to arbitration as it is NOT a partner in the Dathcom JV

If AVZI gets the result it hopes for and thinks it should all that happens here is Jin Cheng is told by the ICC "Sorry guys fuck off....this has nothing to do with you as you are not part of the Dathcom JV".......NEXT!

Or am I missing something?....

 

[Winenut]

Will the AGM include this slide?

Only if it also includes your avatar

 

[9cardomaha]

Isn't the ICC case currently at hand between Jin Cheng and AVZI?

Zijin did not actually bring this case to arbitration.......Jin Cheng did

And isn't that specifically the crux of the jurisdictional arguement from AVZI to get it thrown out?

ie That Jin Cheng cannot bring this case to arbitration as it is NOT a partner in the Dathcom JV

If AVZI gets the result it hopes for and thinks it should all that happens here is Jin Cheng is told by the ICC "Sorry guys fuck off....this has nothing to do with you as you are not part of the Dathcom JV".......NEXT!

Or am I missing something?....

you are correct - i just use ZJ because its easier than Jin Cheng... they are the same.

ie That Jin Cheng cannot bring this case to arbitration as it is NOT a partner in the Dathcom JV - while this is the gist of the issue, there is a subtle difference to remember, we are arguing that the ICC does not have jurisdiction because of the above. Burden of proof in this instance is more on ZJ i think.

 

[wombat74]

Isn't the ICC case currently at hand between Jin Cheng and AVZI?

Zijin did not actually bring this case to arbitration.......Jin Cheng did

And isn't that specifically the crux of the jurisdictional arguement from AVZI to get it thrown out?

ie That Jin Cheng cannot bring this case to arbitration as it is NOT a partner in the Dathcom JV

If AVZI gets the result it hopes for and thinks it should all that happens here is Jin Cheng is told by the ICC "Sorry guys fuck off....this has nothing to do with you as you are not part of the Dathcom JV".......NEXT!

Or am I missing something?....

"It should be noted that this does not finally determine whether the sale of shares from Cominière to Jin Cheng was effective, which will remain to be determined in separate proceedings". AVZ Minerals .

At what point does Nigel lock in ICSID ? Must be getting very close . They will just continue to f--k us around .

 

[Carlos Danger]

Isn't the ICC case currently at hand between Jin Cheng and AVZI?

Zijin did not actually bring this case to arbitration.......Jin Cheng did

And isn't that specifically the crux of the jurisdictional arguement from AVZI to get it thrown out?

ie That Jin Cheng cannot bring this case to arbitration as it is NOT a partner in the Dathcom JV

If AVZI gets the result it hopes for and thinks it should all that happens here is Jin Cheng is told by the ICC "Sorry guys fuck off....this has nothing to do with you as you are not part of the Dathcom JV".......NEXT!

Or am I missing something?....

you are correct - i just use ZJ because its easier than Jin Cheng... they are the same.

ie That Jin Cheng cannot bring this case to arbitration as it is NOT a partner in the Dathcom JV - while this is the gist of the issue, there is a subtle difference to remember, we are arguing that the ICC does not have jurisdiction because of the above. Burden of proof in this instance is more on ZJ i think.

"It should be noted that this does not finally determine whether the sale of shares from Cominière to Jin Cheng was effective, which will remain to be determined in separate proceedings". AVZ Minerals .

At what point does Nigel lock in ICSID ? Must be getting very close . They will just continue to f--k us around .

I use Zijin because they are the controlling company. Just like I use AVZ instead of AVZI.

Even though the jurisdictional challenge is a question of Jin Cheng's right to initiate arbitration it is looking at all the key facts of the case eg the IGF report. This was the quickest way for AVZ to eliminate Zijin from the picture legally speaking. If successful we will then just have to deal with Cominiere breaching our pre-emptive right in the case we brought to the ICC against them.

 

[Scoota30]

The AGM was in Perth and the notes are pretty much spot on from my memory of being there.

I am sure @Scoota30 and @tonster66 would agree.

Those notes were bang on from my memory as well, especially the part about the ML isn't contingent on any of the ICC outcomes and that we have been in high level discussions with government and are confident for a speedy result...

 

[tonster66]

The AGM was in Perth and the notes are pretty much spot on from my memory of being there.

I am sure @Scoota30 and @tonster66 would agree.

Yep, agree

 

[Xerof]

So, who attended courtroom 35 on Friday, or was it in chambers?

 

[timb89]

Struggle to comprehend how witnesses can have an impact on the decision? Surely it comes down to following due process and appropriate documentation. Waiting with anticipation for 9card to post chairman's statement if possible as I doubt AVZ would find the time to feed the mushrooms. Interesting week ahead.

Is the chairmans statement secret? Or insider knowledge? Or is this common post arbitration to have it posted?

 

[Charbella]

L

Old mate CKK's comments on X (who some believe to be a fake account, but given his antics I think is probably legit) suggests that he did deliver testimony. Looking forward to seeing the outcome, should point the path forward. Glad to hear Zijin showed up, I actually kind of expected they might pull out last minute like I wish I had done with my last girlfriend.
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Surely cannot be a real profile for CKK. The dude has been rambling desperately for the last 2 days.