AVZ Discussion 2022
- Thread starter GazDix
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Fuk Yuba, your posts really make people take note.
There are some absolute tossers around, did you notice?
Just tell me honestly, where are you coming from?
Juba
Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Ju
Juba is the capital and largest city of South Sudan. The city is situated on the White Nile and also serves as the capital of the Central Equatoria State.
Close to the border of DRC . Might have a Comminere rat in the house .
Is that the same as a great relationship with the upper echelons of the drc government. 2 years and what? This announcement sooths all and says nothing. What a fucken wank.
John25
Regular
Winenut
Go AVZ!
Fukkin outer Sudan it is.
I knew it was somewhere in the outer suburbs of some asshole place.
I hope the beaches and crays are as good out in the sticks as here mate.
The closest I ever came to Sudan was Assab international, to be extremely honest, I was happy not to live there.
The coke machine was fukked, just an observation.
Have fun with your mates.
Penskefile
Regular
how else are they meant to get their brown paper bags delivered to the ICC?
Xerof
Have a Cigar 1975
Based on the series of successes AVZ has had at every challenge from the other parties:
We want confidentiality at hearings - ICC says fuck off, it's public
We want to combine the hearings into one - ICC says fuck off, they remain separate, and by the way, see you on October 5th
And the revelation that DATHOMIR have moved in the DRC for dissolution of DATHCOM, based on two disputed measures, JVA terminated and 13359 transferred, basically on behalf of COMINIERE because they are injuncted, (fucking laughable)
leads me to think that ICC can already see the claims are vexatious and spurious. Of course it will use the full process if needed, but I would not be surprised if they were a no-show
JMT
We want confidentiality at hearings - ICC says fuck off, it's public
We want to combine the hearings into one - ICC says fuck off, they remain separate, and by the way, see you on October 5th
And the revelation that DATHOMIR have moved in the DRC for dissolution of DATHCOM, based on two disputed measures, JVA terminated and 13359 transferred, basically on behalf of COMINIERE because they are injuncted, (fucking laughable)
leads me to think that ICC can already see the claims are vexatious and spurious. Of course it will use the full process if needed, but I would not be surprised if they were a no-show
JMT
Underwaterdark
Regular
Morning All,
I only just read the Arbitration update.
Is my thinking right that:
Once we have the preliminary question hearing on the 5th and 6th of Oct, assuming it goes in our favour, all of the other pieces will start to fall in to place?
-Other ICC cases will be somewhat invalidated.
-International sign that we have done the right thing and followed processes.
-DRC Govt will think much harder about letting it get to ICSID formally.
The announcements 'hopeful' resolution can become a reality.
I only just read the Arbitration update.
Is my thinking right that:
Once we have the preliminary question hearing on the 5th and 6th of Oct, assuming it goes in our favour, all of the other pieces will start to fall in to place?
-Other ICC cases will be somewhat invalidated.
-International sign that we have done the right thing and followed processes.
-DRC Govt will think much harder about letting it get to ICSID formally.
The announcements 'hopeful' resolution can become a reality.
Mr Inappropriate
Regular
if turning up gives them a lever to cause further delay, then yes.
Mr Inappropriate
Regular
That’s a fair criticism from the preceding and early days of this shit-show - it seems now that AVZ was unaware they were being played like a fiddle by all and sundry.
My recollection is that not so long ago we heard that no-one from government would even talk to us. Now that Mupande has moved on we’ve seen and heard about the re-establishment of hight level dialogue with government. That’s not nothing - it provides some hope at least.
marksmann007
Regular
Would it be an idea for AVZ management to have this latest announcement and any future relevant releases accurately typed up in French and sent directly to all high level government officials they are having ongoing negotiations with just to be certain they remain fully informed?
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oxxa23
Regular
with regards to ICC... this first case with jin cheng has no connection what so ever to dathomir's claims against AVZ... so it wont effect that in the slightest.... Having said that, not worried about the dathomir case in the slightest.... cong sold it, took the cash, then cried poor when the lithium tide had turned...
Carlos Danger
Top 20
Cong never took the cash. But he recieved it. Which is legally good enough.
The Dathomir cases are the most open and shut contract law examples I have ever seen. It is extraordinary that arbitration takes so long for something like this. The ICC is a joke regarding timetables and the ability of claimants to delay proceedings like Zijin have been doing.
Carlos Danger
Top 20
According to AVZ the SPA's contained a clause for arbitration outside the DRC. I've never seen the agreements but I'd say they have similar clauses to the Dathcom JVA regarding going through the ICC. Even without a specific clause in the SPA's any dispute between shareholders of Dathcom must go through the ICC anyway under Article 11 of the JVA.
The fact that Cong didn't follow these rules when trying to weasel his way out of the contracts he intended to be bound by shows that he knows that he has no chance of winning based on the facts of the case. Worth remembering AVZ's claims against Dathomir at the ICC include damages.
Hodlandwin69
Regular
So with the ICC being public info, can we attend the ICC in person like Australian courts?
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