BRICK
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Looks like the map is where they are hoping to locate their head office
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Dijon101
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Website is woefully out of date.
Still lists dathcom as a partner even though the JV has been dissolved since April.... (all in direct conflict of a ICC RULING)
Absolute amateurs.. can't even pay their Web developers to update their website.
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You'd say that logically a minority partner has zero authority both logically and legally to dissolve a JV and take 100% ownership of the project like Cominiere are claiming.
I'd like to believe that Cominiere are now an irrelevant organisation and are no longer involved in the project. Just as stated in Serge's presentation.
Still lists dathcom as a partner even though the JV has been dissolved since April.... (all in direct conflict of a ICC RULING)
Absolute amateurs.. can't even pay their Web developers to update their website.
Edited in the below:
You'd say that logically a minority partner has zero authority both logically and legally to dissolve a JV and take 100% ownership of the project like Cominiere are claiming.
I'd like to believe that Cominiere are now an irrelevant organisation and are no longer involved in the project. Just as stated in Serge's presentation.
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BRICK
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With only a superficial look into them, After 13 years, what have these turkeys actually accomplished?
I reckon it’s time to admit it didn’t work out and dissolve them
Dijon101
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Bribes and churning leases between explorers that have no intention to go to mine
Carlos Danger
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They do under Article 18.3 of the Dathcom JVA but it can only be done through the ICC under Article 11. Not through back alley courts within the DRC. The fact that AVZ are the ones initiating ICC proceedings regarding this matter speaks volumes to the confidence of both parties in their legal standing.
TDITD
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13Yrs of dodgy deals, a full audit of these bastards would make your eyes water.
Its a conduit for the 'elites' to funnel their bribes/fraud/embezzlement monies, this is why I have accepted they are not going anywhere, because they are needed. A sharing agreement between Kabila and PR. You have CKK for Kibeya and Lisette for PR.
The sooner Cominieres world class idiots are out of Dathcom/Manono the better for everyone involved.
Dijon101
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Fucking hell dude.
You are amazing!!
Thanks for reminding and reinforcing this info.
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TDITD
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Didn't we agree last time/cycle this was brought up that under the J.V agreement that if it was breached they have an authority to terminate, like you said via the correct routes?
As last time the kicker was, they have NO authority as the terms of the J.V agreement were no breached and the didn't go through the correct routes as stipulated. God its been so long and literally every little detail around this shitshow discussed so many times, you forget little details.
So in a lovely roundabout way. In this instance, they have jack shit authority and as per usual need to work within the rules/codes/laws set. Hence the latest ICC ruling to Cominiere stipulating you change shit you pay $$ for it.
#FuckCOMINIERE
#FuckZIJIN
#FollowTheFuckingLawsDickheadsAndWeWillHaveAlreadyBeenMining
#FuckMupande - for old times sake
Carlos Danger
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That's the ICSID case information for Dathcom Vs DRC Government regarding the failure of the DRC government to follow its own mining code when illegally cancelling the licence
Jin Cheng Vs AVZI is at the ICC in Paris. No date other than the general timeframe you outlined is available as far as I'm aware.
thanks Carlos. So should it appear on this website?
ICC Case Information - ICC - International Chamber of Commerce
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Can’t find any mention of it
Carlos Danger
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Yeah it should but never has. Not really sure why as they list other pending cases. It is listed on jusmundi.thanks Carlos. So should it appear on this website?
ICC Case Information - ICC - International Chamber of Commerce
Increasing the information available to parties, the business community at large and academia is key in ensuring that arbitration remains a trusted tool to facilitate trade. This directory provides key information on ICC arbitration cases without compromising expectations of confidentiality. ...
Can’t find any mention of it
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Carlos Danger
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Another thing. Article 11.1 (c) of the Dathcom JVA clearly states that any dispute among parties to the JVA must be settled by 3 arbitrators at the ICC. The fact that Zijin sought only 1 arbitrator and the ICC agreed is already an admission by Zijin and the ICC that Jin Cheng are not a party of Dathcom imoYeah it should but never has. Not really sure why as they list other pending cases. It is listed on jusmundi.
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Mikro - I am simply guessing you could try using a VPN or maybe change your browser settings and switch to Australia. I havent tried either and its just a guess.
SilentOne
TDITD
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Agreed Carlos
Also a wise move on AVZ lawyers behalf to place that stipulation in the JV. Three arbitrators are far harder for a chinese influence to bribe.
Winenut
Go AVZ!
Did Zijin seek only 1 arbitrator to save money? Cause they knew they were already cooked?
Is that what you're saying?
Carlos Danger
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I have no idea why they wanted only 1. Most likely because they thought it would be easier to bribe 1 rather than 3. But they clearly didn't read the JVA which they claim to be part of or they would have requested 3 like AVZ did. It's a colossal fuck up on their behalf imo
Winenut
Go AVZ!
Yes it would appear to be a monumental fuckup......and good pick up too by the way Carlos
Agreed on the bribery aspect too. Pretty sure when it was all announced we all wanted 3 arbitrators to try and make it harder for bribery to affect the proceedings
US says it can’t cut China out of critical minerals supply chain
China’s key role in the processing of raw minerals means it will remain a key partner, says Jose Fernandez, the US under secretary for economic growth and the environment.
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US says it can’t cut China out of critical minerals supply chain
China’s key role in the processing of raw minerals means it will remain a key partner, says Jose Fernandez, the US under secretary for economic growth and the environment.
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US says it can’t cut China out of critical minerals supply chain
Bloomberg News | September 22, 2023 | 12:13 pm Battery Metals Intelligence China USA Cobalt Lithium Manganese
US undersecretary for economic growth, energy and the environment Jose W. Fernandez at the Investing in Africa Mining Indaba. (Credit: Henry Lazenby)
The US won’t be able to cut China out of the critical minerals supply chain even as Washington seeks to diversify its sources of the ingredients that go into everything from electric vehicle batteries to solar panels, a top Biden official said on Friday.
“This is not about China,” Jose Fernandez, the US under secretary for economic growth and the environment, told a briefing in New York. “We are perfectly happy to work with them on this and right now we purchase many of the minerals from Chinese companies. It’s about diversifying.”
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China’s key role in the processing of raw minerals means it will remain a key US partner, Fernandez said, especially because those minerals are a crucial component for the batteries that power electric vehicles. The broader use of EVs is a central tenet of the administration’s climate change efforts.
“The world needs them to be involved — the broader picture is climate change, and we’re not going to solve the climate crisis without the involvement of the PRC,” he said, referring to the country’s formal name, the People’s Republic of China.
Fernandez leads a State Department initiative called the Minerals Security Partnership, which aims to help funnel foreign investment and western expertise into the mining sectors of developing nations that help supply key raw materials such as lithium, manganese and cobalt.
“China is the second-largest economy in the world, a major trading partner of the US,” he said. “We will continue working with them while pursuing our interests and protecting our companies and criticizing them when we feel they should be criticized.”
If the US would just cut out cominier that would work for me.
US says it can’t cut China out of critical minerals supply chain
China’s key role in the processing of raw minerals means it will remain a key partner, says Jose Fernandez, the US under secretary for economic growth and the environment.
US says it can’t cut China out of critical minerals supply chain
Bloomberg News | September 22, 2023 | 12:13 pm Battery Metals Intelligence China USA Cobalt Lithium Manganese
US undersecretary for economic growth, energy and the environment Jose W. Fernandez at the Investing in Africa Mining Indaba. (Credit: Henry Lazenby)
The US won’t be able to cut China out of the critical minerals supply chain even as Washington seeks to diversify its sources of the ingredients that go into everything from electric vehicle batteries to solar panels, a top Biden official said on Friday.
“This is not about China,” Jose Fernandez, the US under secretary for economic growth and the environment, told a briefing in New York. “We are perfectly happy to work with them on this and right now we purchase many of the minerals from Chinese companies. It’s about diversifying.”
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China’s key role in the processing of raw minerals means it will remain a key US partner, Fernandez said, especially because those minerals are a crucial component for the batteries that power electric vehicles. The broader use of EVs is a central tenet of the administration’s climate change efforts.
“The world needs them to be involved — the broader picture is climate change, and we’re not going to solve the climate crisis without the involvement of the PRC,” he said, referring to the country’s formal name, the People’s Republic of China.
Fernandez leads a State Department initiative called the Minerals Security Partnership, which aims to help funnel foreign investment and western expertise into the mining sectors of developing nations that help supply key raw materials such as lithium, manganese and cobalt.
“China is the second-largest economy in the world, a major trading partner of the US,” he said. “We will continue working with them while pursuing our interests and protecting our companies and criticizing them when we feel they should be criticized.”
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