AVZ Discussion 2022

[geo_au]

I mean it's very obvious that Cominiere will be pushing hard with the MoM and the President for them to 'develop' Manono in conjunction with new 'partners'. No prizes for guessing who those partners are, or what role Cominiere would play in this. This is what CKK has been going on and on about, and Cominière's position is that the cancellation of our licence is a done deal.

Now ICC/ICSID may have something to say about that, but when's our case with Cominiere even set for? Let alone the years ICSID will take.

It's my belief that Cominiere will be attempting to press all the buttons they can to all the big players, to say this is the only way forward in which Manono is developed in the coming years - namely during this Presidents (poss. next) term - and the only way their battery manufacturing strategy is underpinned by publicly viewable action, rather than being blocked by a spread of legal actions they are blaming on us. I'm sure they will also be saying that Zijin would offer a larger percentage to the DRC government, and telling FT that AVZ are just trying to claim everything. I don't know if Lisette is indeed related to FT but I bloody well hope not for an inner track for those messages to percolate.

Its all no doubt part of the China backed strategy to delay long enough, with support of suborned local elites, until they propose another pathway forward - portraying it as the only viable one towards the fruition of FTs plans. Casting us as the hostage-taker in this narrative, even though we know full where the real blockade is coming from.

But do the other players know? Will the top bosses see through this Chinese backed Charade, unlike the previous time? Or will we eventually see a reallocation of the licence under this pressure - and the project then being constructed by others whilst a years-long legal case for restitution goes ahead in the background. We surely know which one Cominiere and Zijin are agitating for - CKK has openly admitted that they're preparing new partners to progress manono and this media report is in line with that. That's the game they are playing.

We really need top level FaceTime with MoM and President to dispel the bullshit. This failed during Covid for obvious reasons, but we can't let it happen again. Hopefully Nige and Co can meet with these figures in the near future to put another side to the story. Surely they must be aware the perception damage this would do to their business climate, but they may say well canceling the licence decree already didn't bring down the roof - though I note that it did bring about ICSID, which has likely had an impact.

Still very much in the air at the moment. I know the ICC isnt known for its pace, but we really need to fast-track the Cominiere case

Time is not our friend here

Roon we have a competent management team who will do what's best in the interest of shareholders. Meanwhile suggest you put your fantasies in the bin where they belong.

 

[Hodlandwin69]

Probably delayed once again. Judge probably bribed.

I heard the judge broke his legs and needs to be postponed

 

[geo_au]

Read some recent posts from the vile kunt Lars on twitter, and ask yourself “is she positioning Tantalex for a role in Manono with Cominiere?”

It reads that way to me…

It that was the case then she wouldn't post this below.

Lars
@LaRsDrank
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Aug 16
This could be good news for $AVZ. Let’s see how things play out. However, the new head of CAMI didn’t explicitly mention the “success of Manono” being with or without $AVZ involvement. Hopefully, they aren’t veiled diplomatic languages. Either way, ongoing discussions r positive.

 

[Sparrowhawk12]

The quickest way to highest value is to go mining ASAP and get into production ASAP. I think this is the Exec/BOD strategy and I fully support it. To do this we'll need a best possible JV, then ML awarded, quickly followed by BFS, FID ...etc. IMO. GLTAH. Br Sparrowhawk.

 

[Skar]

The quickest way to highest value is to go mining ASAP and get into production ASAP. I think this is the Exec/BOD strategy and I fully support it. To do this we'll need a best possible JV, then ML awarded, quickly followed by BFS, FID ...etc. IMO. GLTAH. Br Sparrowhawk.

Its easy to say, the wrinkle is when you have to make under the table, backhander deals to get stuff done in less than stellar jurisdictions... like say giving up half the project to get it over the line or entertaining a little corruption with a bit of feigned distance.

Albemarle to Pay $218.5 Million to Settle Foreign Bribery Probe

World’s most valuable lithium producer says it reached a settlement in principle with U.S. authorities to resolve potential violations of the U.S. Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.

www.wsj.com

If we had a more experience BOD... MAYBE we would be mining now and paying a slap on the wrist fine or maybe with a different BOD we would have been robbed blind and our investment dollars siphoned off to corrupt foreign interests.

The frustrating thing is being a back seat passenger to all this.

 

[geo_au]

Just give me an end to this saga. Occupies far too much of my day and mind with unknowns.
In the last 2 weeks we have been on highs because it's almost happening for us then huge lows because something else has come up.
The bulk of us will never understand how the DRC works and their thinking and for mine the Chinese are not going to walk away without using every last devious option they can come up with.
I don't know what the answer is, we are all guessing here. Maybe it is the ICC, I hope so and soon.

The chinese linked to the CCP is not what anyone wants. Corruption pays if it favours the CCP and their cronies but brings the death penalty in China if it disadvantages the CCP. I am looking forward to the day when the CCP is annihilated by the US with its advanced weapons with can reach china in minues. Also that little fat man from NK who is all fat that leaves little room for his tiny brain.

 

[Hemicuda]

 

[Roon]

Roon we have a competent management team who will do what's best in the interest of shareholders. Meanwhile suggest you put your fantasies in the bin where they belong.

They're not exactly fantasies mate, when the head of Cominiere is basically publicly stating that this is their plan. They may not come to pass, as we have the best BOD on the ASX on the case, though we've been blindsided before.

But thanks for your input as always. Anytime you've got some more tidbits from the 'inside track' of our imminent success please do put them forward. Though the others never worked out, I could still use the hope.

 

[Rediah]

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[Hemicuda]

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yup, but we don't have Emily blunt haunting our dreams, damm it.

 

[Hemicuda]

Instead of Emily blunt, this is who i wake up to my dreams - Lisette Tshibwabwa, Kabanga Adèle Kayinda. Antoinette Nsamba Kalambayi,,,,,, ffs

 

[CHB]

Instead of Emily blunt, this is who i wake up to my dreams - Lisette Tshibwabwa, Kabanga Adèle Kayinda. Antoinette Nsamba Kalambayi,,,,,, ffs

Do you wake up all wet and sticky

 

[Retrobyte]

Yes the rumour thing was likely 100% Bullshit.

I followed up with Kiki on his article where it says Lisette is related to PR05, he stated that Lisette is of the same ethnic origins (a misunderstood importance from us westerners), she is in his political party and also her father is a friend of PR05 father. This is a family bond here.
Kiki says they are indeed very close allies. Delicate., in the face of what the IGF report said of her.

And this is another reason why we don't need TSE members posting memes on Twitter calling her out as being corrupt, which some have done in the past 24 hours

 

[Hudnut]

yup, but we don't have Emily blunt haunting our dreams, damm it.

Speak for yourself.

 

[Dazmac66]

Can we expect anything of merit to happen at the ICC hearing at the end of September(ish) or will it just be a procedural event to say that they have the evidence and will deliberate for the next 658 months or set a date for the next hearing? All assuming there are no more extensions required!

 

[Rediah]

yup, but we don't have Emily blunt haunting our dreams, damm it.

Instead we got this (I wont use swear words)

Poor Nige...

 

[protoje]

Fortunat Biselele "BIFOR" has just been acquitted by the justice system of the Democratic Republic of Congo, accused of endangering state security, treason, and spreading false rumors. The former private advisor to Félix Tshisekedi is now a free man, cleared of all charges by the decision of the Gombe High Court.

 

[Pokok]

I know its only Thursday but does anybody have a wink wink , it will happen , takeover , etc etc or do I continue to flick past the bs as usual .what week month year are we up to im well and truly over it

 

[wombat74]

Can we expect anything of merit to happen at the ICC hearing at the end of September(ish) or will it just be a procedural event to say that they have the evidence and will deliberate for the next 658 months or set a date for the next hearing? All assuming there are no more extensions required!

I'm getting the feeling Cominiere along with MoM are not going to wait for the legal process to play out. The project is far too significant to have it locked up for the next 3 to 5 years . As the MoM said earlier this year , it is a matter of urgency . Would they start without AVZ and let the legal process run it's course drawing it out as long as they can ? By which time they will have a mine up and running with their Chinese masters making $$ Billions . Is that a possibility ? They clearly do not seemed perturbed by any negative international attention . Or do they settle with AVZ and have nice clean slate to continue their loved up relationship with their Chinese Masters who give them backhanders and rip off the DRC people ? Which will it be ? Lets not forget the Chinese have CKK over a barrel ? But hey he just got promoted with the backing of the President .

 

[Pokok]

I'm getting the feeling Cominiere along with MoM are not going to wait for the legal process to play out. The project is far to significant to have it locked up for the next 3 to 5 years . As the MoM said earlier this year , it is a matter of urgency . Would they start without AVZ and let the legal process run it's course drawing it out as long as they can ? By which time they will have a mine up and running with their Chinese masters making $$ Billions . Is that a possibility ? They clearly do not seemed perturbed by any negative international attention . Or do they settle with AVZ and have nice clean slate to continue their loved up relationship with their Chinese Masters who give them backhanders and rip off the DRC people ? Which will it be ? Lets not forget the Chinese have CKK over a barrel ? But hey he just got promoted with the backing of the President .

HUMMMM so are you positive now normally a little negative no offence just asking