AVZ Discussion 2022

[Frank]

NEWSECONOMY

The United States invests US$250 million in the Lobito railway line, Angola/DR Congo/Zambia​

May 23, 2023
Kiki Kienge

 

[BEISHA]

That's 12 months old mate,

It may be 12 months old cruiser, but in the ICC case ZIJIN / COM ( claimant ) v AVZ ( responder ), the claimants believe Dathomir are a part of Dathcom JV ............so still relevant in the eyes of the corrupt

What cracks me up with that Boatman pie chart........is the dumb pricks think CATH is part of the equation, which of course its not , cause thats encumbent on AVZ obtaining ML and having 51% control minimum.

Whats interesting, is that ZIJIN / COM aint happy about CATH being in the equation at all..........

Food for thought


Nuff said from me....



imo

 

[Funtimes1]

I know what you mean.
The thing is he doesn't need to go to china to screw over AVZ if he wanted to.
And china don't need to meet in person to offer bribes.

I think we're all imagining them getting together for poker, getting loaded and laughing about old times, then they bring in the girls. Afterwards throw an arm around a jolly DRC president and smiling with a fat brown paper bag offered say, "so how about that silly old mine in Manono?"

They're a major partner with the DRC with business and all that, a trip there is completely normal.

Keep this in mind, a major part of the visit is in regards to the predatory deals china has in the DRC mining sector, and all that negative attention is good for us non chinese who have offered everything above board, and fair.
In the midst of this diplomacy and renegotiation with respect to china not doing the right thing, imagine them offering more bribes for Manono!
It wouldn't go down too well.

They are welcome to take Manono legaly at a fair price, if they want the thing at all costs, there is always that.
No doubt they will apply pressure to get what they want, and that's what they've been doing in the past to get the mining deals that favor them.

It's possible he might even be asking them to tell Z to back off so they can get this thing into operation.
His ministers are implicated in this corruption with Z, and China are likely holding them to the fire over this.
I believe it's in Felix's best interest to negotiate a way for them to back off.

Screwing over AVZ will be very bad for them, particularly with the USA suddenly in the picture.

Actually that makes me think, part of the visit would be diplomacy about the USA entering into the DRC, as china would be spewin' about that.
It all needs to be smoothed over form the perspective of the DRC.
I would imagine.

In all fairness none of us know the outcome of this trip , even the most knowledgeable members are rolling a dice. I’ve lived and still work in Asia for the past 35 years and most Asians (that actually know) sum up dealing with China and Chineses as dangerous! That's a powerful word and not used on any other country.The Chinese past emperors believed all roads lead to China and the CCP still believe that. Its their vision and controlling the battery supply chain one of a few projects they are all out in accomplishing. Now DRC - Having worked with many South Africans they explain the tribal mentality throughout Africa. The Chef always wore the most impressive cloths and owned the biggest lands. That’s how it still operators and the Chefs are now minsters and have you seen the outfits these guys wear and their salaries are what? 2000 a month? The point is , it’s semi excepted all this corruption and in some cases respected and I’m not disillusioned by thinking FT not involved. Saying all that , I believe AVZ played this right and refused to play ball. Cominere been quoted as calling us a minnow explorer and thought we would roll over with support from MOP and maybe MOM. They are now understanding they have dug a hole and the whole world is watching. I’m quietly confident and worst case scenario a low ball TO will be completed around 4-5 billion US and best case is we go mining with a controlling %.

 

[BEISHA]

I gotta say, nice and serene this forum is now since the scum trolls were turfed out, not a peep out of John Reed ......fancy that?

Powerade and the timber prick also silent.



Thank fuck for small mercies I say.

 

[Frank]

I know what you mean.
The thing is he doesn't need to go to china to screw over AVZ if he wanted to.
And china don't need to meet in person to offer bribes.

I think we're all imagining them getting together for poker, getting loaded and laughing about old times, then they bring in the girls. Afterwards throw an arm around a jolly DRC president and smiling with a fat brown paper bag offered say, "so how about that silly old mine in Manono?"

They're a major partner with the DRC with business and all that, a trip there is completely normal.

Keep this in mind, a major part of the visit is in regards to the predatory deals china has in the DRC mining sector, and all that negative attention is good for us non chinese who have offered everything above board, and fair.

 

[Frank]

 

[BEISHA]

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Frank, I wonder whether FT will pass on the IGF Report regards to Manono to President Evil, whilst getting a better deal regards to GECAMINE and the like......

The conversation could go like this ...." pretty damning report against Zijin, could be very embarrassing for your country once the ICC verdict comes out, I mean what more do you want, you have close to 100% offtake, may I suggest you advise Zijin to pull their head in, cause I really don't want to make a executive decision.....
Have you noticed I have alot of other countries who would like a piece of the DRC pie if you baulk? "


IMO

 

[Winenut]

In all fairness none of us know the outcome of this trip , even the most knowledgeable members are rolling a dice. I’ve lived and still work in Asia for the past 35 years and most Asians (that actually know) sum up dealing with China and Chineses as dangerous! That's a powerful word and not used on any other country.The Chinese past emperors believed all roads lead to China and the CCP still believe that. Its their vision and controlling the battery supply chain one of a few projects they are all out in accomplishing. Now DRC - Having worked with many South Africans they explain the tribal mentality throughout Africa. The Chef always wore the most impressive cloths and owned the biggest lands. That’s how it still operators and the Chefs are now minsters and have you seen the outfits these guys wear and their salaries are what? 2000 a month? The point is , it’s semi excepted all this corruption and in some cases respected and I’m not disillusioned by thinking FT not involved. Saying all that , I believe AVZ played this right and refused to play ball. Cominere been quoted as calling us a minnow explorer and thought we would roll over with support from MOP and maybe MOM. They are now understanding they have dug a hole and the whole world is watching. I’m quietly confident and worst case scenario a low ball TO will be completed around 4-5 billion US and best case is we go mining with a controlling %.

It's unbelievable isn't it!

How those crazy Chefs got to be in charge I'll never know!

 

[ptlas]

I gotta say, nice and serene this forum is now since the scum trolls were turfed out, not a peep out of John Reed ......fancy that?

Powerade and the timber prick also silent.



Thank fuck for small mercies I say.

Reed and Geist permanently deleted.

Zeebot was yesterday asking about more culprits, as they were the only two I named.
I recall some German speakers making mischief around Xmas, so if you have their names or any other suspicions then please pm ZB 'cos they ain't gone away permanently.
Or pm me cos ZB seems to trust me.

Seems AVZ is not the only TSE target of trolls, loads vaporised lately.

US$ 250m investment would never come without strings.
Must be positive for AVZ

Frank, I wonder whether FT will pass on the IGF Report regards to Manono to President Evil, whilst getting a better deal regards to GECAMINE and the like......

The conversation could go like this ...." pretty damning report against Zijin, could be very embarrassing for your country once the ICC verdict comes out, I mean what more do you want, you have close to 100% offtake, may I suggest you advise Zijin to pull their head in, cause I really don't want to make a executive decision.....
Have you noticed I have alot of other countries who would like a piece of the DRC pie if you baulk? "


IMO

As somebody said earlier, that stuff will have been negotiated prior.
Diplomacy dictates that the leaders don't fall out and the hardball is played by junior ministers and C. Servants.
I'm still a little concerned though about blackmail while FT is relatively isolated.

Or maybe it's just that I've been conditioned to be paranoid.

 

[BEISHA]

Reed and Geist permanently deleted.

Zeebot was yesterday asking about more culprits, as they were the only two I named.
I recall some German speakers making mischief around Xmas, so if you have their names or any other suspicions then please pm ZB 'cos they ain't gone away permanently.
Or pm me cos ZB seems to trust me.

Seems AVZ is not the only TSE target of trolls, loads vaporised lately.

US$ 250m investment would never come without strings.
Must be positive for AVZ

As somebody said earlier, that stuff will have been negotiated prior.
Diplomacy dictates that the leaders don't fall out and the hardball is played by junior ministers and C. Servants.
I'm still a little concerned though about blackmail while FT is relatively isolated.

Or maybe it's just that I've been conditioned to be paranoid.

I have often said Chyna needs DRC , more than DRC needs Chyna, DRC have alot of other options to improve their standard of living and FT needs to strike some major blows if he wants to be re elected, so far from my naked eye he has done fuck all, but maybe I have under estimated him and he has a swarm of positive news ready to hammer out.....

I remain positive despite the scum and shit that has been thrown our way for over 12 months.

Imo

 

[Onthefm]

Frank, I wonder whether FT will pass on the IGF Report regards to Manono to President Evil, whilst getting a better deal regards to GECAMINE and the like......

The conversation could go like this ...." pretty damning report against Zijin, could be very embarrassing for your country once the ICC verdict comes out, I mean what more do you want, you have close to 100% offtake, may I suggest you advise Zijin to pull their head in, cause I really don't want to make a executive decision.....
Have you noticed I have alot of other countries who would like a piece of the DRC pie if you baulk? "


IMO

And then xi says would you like a collection of those watches you wear so well.

 

[cruiser51]

I have often said Chyna needs DRC , more than DRC needs Chyna, DRC have alot of other options to improve their standard of living and FT needs to strike some major blows if he wants to be re elected, so far from my naked eye he has done fuck all, but maybe I have under estimated him and he has a swarm of positive news ready to hammer out.....

I remain positive despite the scum and shit that has been thrown our way for over 12 months.

Imo

Don’t forget the drones Felix just got with made in China on it to fight M23

 

[Sammy_da_Smile]

About Us – Boatman Capital

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Lmao

 

[MoneyBags1348]

Frank, I wonder whether FT will pass on the IGF Report regards to Manono to President Evil, whilst getting a better deal regards to GECAMINE and the like......

The conversation could go like this ...." pretty damning report against Zijin, could be very embarrassing for your country once the ICC verdict comes out, I mean what more do you want, you have close to 100% offtake, may I suggest you advise Zijin to pull their head in, cause I really don't want to make a executive decision.....
Have you noticed I have alot of other countries who would like a piece of the DRC pie if you baulk? "


IMO

Oops…. I meant

Whoop, that wasn’t it…. I meant

Nope, wrong again…. try this one

Now we’re getting there

 

[MoneyBags1348]

Fuck it, I don’t want people thinking I’m biased

 

[BEISHA]

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Oops…. I meant

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Whoop, wrong again…. I meant

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Nope, that wasn’t it…. Now we’re getting there

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I reckon FT would give you a good run for your money,.....money



Scary looking dude...

 

[Winenut]

I reckon FT would give you a good run for your money,.....money



Scary looking dude...

Wrestling yes.....boxing not so sure

 

[Dijon101]

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't this train line announced 2 years ago???

However previously funded by the chinese, not American?

 

[MoneyBags1348]

I reckon FT would give you a good run for your money,.....money



Scary looking dude...

I’ve got a gold watch too BEISH, that would be as close as it would get

When I was 30 I stood up to a big aboriginal bloke who was my ganger (boss of the gang) when I worked in the gas company. Black Max they called him, he was about 6’3” and around 120kg. Ex footy player, everyone was scared of him…. They reckoned he hit a bloke so hard in a pub in Cardiff (a rough pub) that the bloke had blood coming out of his ears.

I had to work with the prick and him and the other bloke in the gang used to drink three or four large bottles of beer every day at lunch time

I fucken hated working with them, I used to jog around any footy oval we were working near just to get away from them. I was training kickboxers at the time, and he was twice my size. One day I walked straight past them and into the foreman’s office and told him I wasn’t going to work with them any longer. The foreman said I had to.

On the way back to the truck Black fucken Max told me to get in the truck or he’d foot me up the arse. I said I’ll foot you up the fucken arse…. He said what did you say, I said you fucken heard, and I walked straight up to him with one thing in mind, which was the second he moved I was going to kick his shin as hard as I could with my steel cap boots and after that whatever was going to happen was going happen

The big fuckwit backed down and soon after they moved me to another gang. Doesn’t matter how big they are

 

[MoneyBags1348]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't this train line announced 2 years ago???

However previously funded by the chinese, not American?

I think it was longer than two years ago. AVZ was supposedly paying for upgrades to it and before that I think Huayou were supposed to be carrying out the infrastructure.

Anyway that’s enough stories and comments from me, now I’m back from suspension I might have to try a bit harder not to make an arse of myself