AVZ Discussion 2022

[Flight996]

China is not in good shape with Trillions in debt not reported.

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Absolutely correct geo

Local and provincial hidden debt is a major headache, particularly when the loans are not being repaid. It is difficult to get an accurate estimate of off-the-books debt because these loans are not reported. However, I understand they approximate the value of on-the-books debt.

Therefore China's true indebtedness is about equal to that of the USA. Let's hope they are both too big to fail (LOL).

Cheers
F

 

[cruiser51]

If indeed it is Celestin that has been called in to provide a briefing, and if that is indeed about the AVZ/Zijin file, I hope that the Member who called on CKK (along with any other delegates) are forearmed with all the requisite and truthful information regarding this situation.

As we saw with FT, our opponents lies can take hold if there isn't any counter information put forward. Further, it wouldn't be the first time that a question is put forward in Parliament to a bad actor with their foreknowledge, to advance their agendas. China has used that tactic before, as have a lot of other political actors.

But should this alleged questioning be to highlight the shady elements of this case, that would be a real opportunity for us to socialize the truth amongst the DRC elite and apply pressure on the government to back those operating within the law - namely AVZ. I wonder whether we (maybe through our relentless DRC supporters online) could look to ensure that those purportedly tackling CKK in Parliament have a full handle on the facts by forwarding them the documents such as the IGF report and other supporting information. They probably are aware of most particulars already, but unlike us haven't been living this saga day to day, so may not know all of the underhand tactics used by our opponents to undermine DRC and us. Even if they know the generals, spreading that knowledge around could help avoid sugarcoating by CKK and also help avoid any risk of the above nefariously planted question - known in the trade in oz at least as a 'Dorothy Dixer'.

I don't expect the National Assembly will be satisfied if Cominière sends as a deputy the coffee lady.
I would say they want a proper explanation from the top honcho, same as in Australia for a Royal Commission, and telling fibs in front of the National Assembly in the DRC will be seen, the same as in Australia, as perjury, with the appropriate consequences.




The National Assembly has asked for an explanation from Cominière regarding its sale of 15% in Dathcom to the benefit of Zijin.

 

[wombat74]

If indeed it is Celestin that has been called in to provide a briefing, and if that is indeed about the AVZ/Zijin file, I hope that the Member who called on CKK (along with any other delegates) are forearmed with all the requisite and truthful information regarding this situation.

As we saw with FT, our opponents lies can take hold if there isn't any counter information put forward. Further, it wouldn't be the first time that a question is put forward in Parliament to a bad actor with their foreknowledge, to advance their agendas. China has used that tactic before, as have a lot of other political actors.

But should this alleged questioning be to highlight the shady elements of this case, that would be a real opportunity for us to socialize the truth amongst the DRC elite and apply pressure on the government to back those operating within the law - namely AVZ. I wonder whether we (maybe through our relentless DRC supporters online) could look to ensure that those purportedly tackling CKK in Parliament have a full handle on the facts by forwarding them the documents such as the IGF report and other supporting information. They probably are aware of most particulars already, but unlike us haven't been living this saga day to day, so may not know all of the underhand tactics used by our opponents to undermine DRC and us. Even if they know the generals, spreading that knowledge around could help avoid sugarcoating by CKK and also help avoid any risk of the above nefariously planted question - known in the trade in oz at least as a 'Dorothy Dixer'.

Lets hope it's not rigged . Dude should be going to jail not a chin wag session . They should replay his recent interview . That along with the IGF report should enough to put him in the slammer. Could be some of MM's good work going on here . imo

 

[cruiser51]

I don't expect the National Assembly will be satisfied if Cominière sends as a deputy the coffee lady.
I would say they want a proper explanation from the top honcho, same as in Australia for a Royal Commission, and telling fibs in front of the National Assembly in the DRC will be seen, the same as in Australia, as perjury, will the appropriate consequences.




The National Assembly has asked for an explanation from Cominière regarding its sale of 15% in Dathcom to the benefit of Zijin.

Franck Fwamba
Hon Nanou Memba, the young national deputy of Haut Katanga elected from Kipushi, had seized the office of
@AssembleeN_RDC in 2022 by Oral Question to Ms. Kahinda from the Portfolio questioning the government and Cominiere after Report
@IgfRdc,@ALINGETEJULES_K on Dathcom, what next?

10:38 AM · Jun 1, 2023
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[cruiser51]

Length of term
Political groups	Government (391) Sacred Union (391) Opposition (109) Common Front for Congo (69) Lamuka Coalition (40)

Does that mean Zijin has to bribe a minimum of 251 members of the National Assembly, or just the leader of the Sacred Union, or both?

I wonder if Zijin will outsource the brown bagging attempt of the National Assembly to a bundle of cheap virtual office workers.
Let's face it, there is a lot of work involved to bribe an entire National Assembly.
I don't think they will trust Cominière to do the job, they even can't organise a bloody chook raffle, let's stand a massive bribing attempt.

 

[Xerof]

Franck Fwamba
Hon Nanou Memba, the young national deputy of Haut Katanga elected from Kipushi, had seized the office of
@AssembleeN_RDC in 2022 by Oral Question to Ms. Kahinda from the Portfolio questioning the government and Cominiere after Report
@IgfRdc,@ALINGETEJULES_K on Dathcom, what next?

10:38 AM · Jun 1, 2023
·

Yeah, well nothing came of that, the mamba just shed an old skin, and carried on as if nothing happened (and Hon Nanou Memba got crushed by a boa constrictor)

 

[cruiser51]

Yeah, well nothing came of that, the mamba just shed an old skin, and carried on as if nothing happened (and Hon Nanou Memba got crushed by a boa constrictor)

Old Greenie is member of the National Assembly, but they are not asking her, but Cominière.

 

[MoneyBags1348]

I don't expect the National Assembly will be satisfied if Cominière sends as a deputy the coffee lady.
I would say they want a proper explanation from the top honcho, same as in Australia for a Royal Commission, and telling fibs in front of the National Assembly in the DRC will be seen, the same as in Australia, as perjury, with the appropriate consequences.




The National Assembly has asked for an explanation from Cominière regarding its sale of 15% in Dathcom to the benefit of Zijin.

Cruiser lets be real, if CKK had been called up to face Saint Peter at The Pearly Gates to Heaven, that c#&! is still going to lie

As George Costanza says “It’s not a lie if you believe it”



@Roon(s) suggestion was a good one, and I hope someone follows it up, I’ve done all I’m going to do

Franck Fwamba tweets

“Congolese NGOs who follow the Cominiere and Dathcom Dossier have total confidence in the Supreme Magistrate and Sole Defender elected for the interests of the people of Manono and the DRC who is the PR05 @fatshi13 for the respect of law, mining code, truth and justice towards @avzmin”

“Total confidence in the Supreme Magistrate for the respect of law, mining code, truth and justice towards AVZ”

It’s been disrespected for over a year now and all I’ve seen when I look at the government is someone being payed $3 million to arrange replacing voting officials at electoral stations in favour of the Sama Lukonde government.

Also having some experience in courtrooms here in Aus, it’s well known how Magistrates get their gold watches. Might one day share a story here about a fine I got from a Magistrate that was double the fine of the bloke who appeared before me on charges of brandishing a pistol in a pub at Raymond Terrace.

Sick of the lies, bullshit and corruption in the DRC

 

[Flexi]

 

[cruiser51]

Cruiser lets be real, if CKK had been called up to face Saint Peter at The Pearly Gates to Heaven, that c#&! is still going to lie

As George Costanza says “It’s not a lie if you believe it”



@Roon(s) suggestion was a good one, and I hope someone follows it up, I’ve done all I’m going to do

Franck Fwamba tweets

“Congolese NGOs who follow the Cominiere and Dathcom Dossier have total confidence in the Supreme Magistrate and Sole Defender elected for the interests of the people of Manono and the DRC who is the PR05 @fatshi13 for the respect of law, mining code, truth and justice towards @avzmin”

It’s been disrespected for over a year now and all I’ve seen when I look at the government is someone being payed $3 million to arrange replacing voting officials at electoral stations in favour of the Sama Lukonde government.

Let's have a look how much value the National Assembly puts on Jules A's report on the transaction.

The more CKK lies in front of the N-A the better it is.

I am not going to expect that he will say: "Yeah I corrupted the DRC to the tune of X million US dollars, what about it?"
Of course he will lie, the more the better, otherwise he would apply immediately for a luxury room in Makala.

Don't forget Zijin has more to lose than CKK and highly likely well prepared to throw CKK under the bus, if it suits them.
Chinese can be rather pragmatic if it suits the business end.

I personally hope CKK will attempt a runner, even better.

It would be very convenient for the green one, she will claim: "Bloody CKK and mates lied to me, wink, wink, nudge, nudge".
Can I have another mars bar from the pile please?

 

[Pokok]

I have been tired of waiting , so much money tired up with AVZ , now trading with what little I have in cash , with my honest thinking a share I bought has had a good run i think a little more in it but dont want to be crucified for changing the subject , but truely cant wait on the sideline ,i am happy to share

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

NGO's are informed of a 'question' of COMINIERE by a deputy at the National Assembly about his selling of 15% to Zijin

various interests will have to ensure he doesn't lie about AVZ for the benefit of Z

my translation

Can we get this guy to question Celestine in front of those 500 members of parliament? I’d pay real money to see that.

Edit: I also want to see Celestine piss his pants.

#FuckZijin

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

Old Greenie is member of the National Assembly, but they are not asking her, but Cominière.

The Green Grub has political value to the President. It seems like she’s been given the opportunity to rehabilitate herself. Consequently i expect she’ll be kept out of the fray.

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

My translation : NGOs are informed of an 'ARREST' of Cominiere by a deputy in @AssembleeN_RDC about his sale of 15% in Dathcom .

ChatGPT interpretation:

NGOs are informed of an interrogation of Cominiere by a deputy at @AssembleeN_RDC regarding his sell-off of the 15% stake in Dathcom to benefit Zijin. @IgfRdc @ALINGETEJULES_K, @anskalambayi, and @WamesoAndre should ensure that the sellers do not lie about AVZ for Zijin.

 

[Onthefm]

China is not in good shape with Trillions in debt not reported.

MSN

Everywhere You Look in China Are Signs of More Market Misery

(Bloomberg) -- Things are going from bad to worse for Chinese equities, with a key index tumbling into a bear market as disappointing manufacturing data added to the bleak outlook.Most Read from BloombergChina Is Drilling a 10,000-Meter-Deep Hole Into Earth’s CrustWinklevoss Twins Attempt Pivot...

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Yes mate agree but debt in the entire world will take decades to play out . But we are heat in the present .

 

[Onthefm]

Cruiser lets be real, if CKK had been called up to face Saint Peter at The Pearly Gates to Heaven, that c#&! is still going to lie

As George Costanza says “It’s not a lie if you believe it”



@Roon(s) suggestion was a good one, and I hope someone follows it up, I’ve done all I’m going to do

Franck Fwamba tweets

“Congolese NGOs who follow the Cominiere and Dathcom Dossier have total confidence in the Supreme Magistrate and Sole Defender elected for the interests of the people of Manono and the DRC who is the PR05 @fatshi13 for the respect of law, mining code, truth and justice towards @avzmin”

“Total confidence in the Supreme Magistrate for the respect of law, mining code, truth and justice towards AVZ”

It’s been disrespected for over a year now and all I’ve seen when I look at the government is someone being payed $3 million to arrange replacing voting officials at electoral stations in favour of the Sama Lukonde government.

Also having some experience in courtrooms here in Aus, it’s well known how Magistrates get their gold watches. Might one day share a story here about a fine I got from a Magistrate that was double the fine of the bloke who appeared before me on charges of brandishing a pistol in a pub at Raymond Terrace.

Sick of the lies, bullshit and corruption in the DRC

Same here

 

[9cardomaha]

While all the hype is going on with DRC state visit to the red state, and follow-up by Musk. One of my nuts is tingling (my testies are probably ambidextrous, so i can't tell if it's the left or the right).

I'm keeping a close eye on the now reunified northern 'high mica' part. Just leaving this here for the future

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

Serious under-appreciation of an earlier post by Cruiser going on here. This is big, and may indicate both the proximity of the ML and a new partner, Gecamines. A couple of info snippets from insiders could be coming together here.

No fuck it, it could be massive. Celestine pissing his pants in front of 500 parliamentarians is icing. This is the cake.



#FuckZijin

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

I‘m on a roll tonight so I may as well keep spewing shit…

Based on the above, here’s my idle speculation:

1. 15-20% to be held by the DRC.
2. The remainder to be a JV between AVZ and Gecamines. Split unknown.
3. CATL ownership goes to 0% - their ownership turns into a massive off-take agreement.
4. We go mining.

Your turn.

 

[aanti.dumb]

I‘m on a roll tonight so I may as well keep spewing shit…

Based on the above, here’s my idle speculation:

1. 15-20% to be held by the DRC.
2. The remainder to be a JV between AVZ and Gecamines. Split unknown.
3. CATL ownership goes to 0% - their ownership turns into a massive off-take agreement.
4. We go mining.

Your turn.

Gecamines is state owned. Why would DRC have ownership via two separate entities? ML requires minimum %10 DRC ownership but Im ok with up to %20 but only if AVZ own the full %80. NO OTHER PARTNERS. CATL can have an offtake at a very generous rate. Dathcom will get finance for the mine easily.

Everyone else can spend the rest of their life in ICC. No more F#&king around with useless partners.

IMO