AVZ Discussion 2022

[Carlos Danger]

Who in that case cares about a Dathcom JV, who finishes with what percentage, or what happens with it?

The law fucking cares what on earth are you on about

 

[Hudnut]

The law fucking cares what on earth are you on about

He means if C manage to remove Dathcom from Manono, then they don't care about the ownership of Dathcom as that becomes immaterial.

 

[Onthefm]

The law fucking cares what on earth are you on about

Sorry wrong wrong country.

 

[Carlos Danger]

He means if C manage to remove Dathcom from Manono, then they don't care about the ownership of Dathcom as that becomes immaterial.

Yeah cool. Got that. I give zero fucks about what Cominiere say.

 

[9cardomaha]

A little extra info on the joint case - nothing substantial but at least we get some lawyers names

Lithium de Manono : qui conseille Zijin et Cominiere dans leur nouvel arbitrage contre AVZ Minerals - Africa Business+

Plusieurs cabinets d’avocats appuient la filiale du chinois Zijin Mining et la société d’Etat congolaise Cominière dans leur récente requête déposée devant la Chambre de commerce internationale. En tout, plus d’1,4 milliard de dollars de dommages et intérêts est réclamé à AVZ

www.africabusinessplus.com

 

[9cardomaha]

Fresh from a Journalist in Kinshasa:

zijin probably out,
maybe Cominiere too,
dathomir out,
maybe CATL stays or leaves and comes back,
AVZ maybe stays but renegotiates or doesn’t renegotiate and is gone too.

But after all my years in congo I could be completely wrong

This is very good because it means Tom Richardson is isolated from spawning his articles to other platforms

Actually, let me tell you my story, not from anyone in the DRC:

fresh from me: anything could happen anytime​

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I'm probably out,​

maybe wife too,​

dog out,​

maybe neighbour stays or leaves and then fucking comes back? ​

^ What on god's green earth is this?​

Have to renegotiate to stay is the last line right?​

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Then the kicker, i could be completely wrong #affirming that i am a local​

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I appreciate the sentiment and sharing the positivity. But given you have a source, don't just plop it into the forum with zero fucking context. It's no better than a wink wink nudge nudge....

Dummy-spit over.

P/S It's this type of commentary that has pushed me to get my own intelligence.

 

[Rambo]

Here is a video about cobalt and lithium. One of the speakers is Frank Fwamba, I think. Doesn’t seem to be any translation available yet.

COBALT ARTISANAL ET LITHIUM DE LA RDC: A QUI PROFITENT CES MINERAIS STRATEGIQUES?

CA FAIT DEBAT DU VENDREDI 12 MAI 2023

www.youtube.com

 

[Thunderpony]

笑声


The tendrils of paranoia slither through the forum, entangling the hearts and minds of its inhabitants. The once tight-knit community has become a breeding ground for suspicion and fear. Whispers ricochet through the streets like ghostly echoes, carrying tales of unseen dangers and hidden agendas.

Every interaction is tainted with doubt, and the simplest gestures are met with skepticism. Trust, once a pillar of this community, now crumbles under the weight of paranoia.

TSE members feel the suffocating grip of mistrust. Previously united in their mission to exploit, they now second-guess every decision, doubting the loyalty of their colleagues. The once-solid alliances splinter under the relentless search for traitors in their midst.

The air crackles with tension as accusations fly and unfounded rumors run rampant. As paranoia takes hold, reason and logic are overshadowed by irrationality and suspicion. The very fabric of this community unravels, leaving behind a landscape of fractured relationships and fractured minds.

tzay huey!

 

[Hudnut]

That's a very dramatic way to say a couple of recent interlopers have started sprouting crap and diverted the attention of the forum.

 

[Nellie17]

What a beautiful day & sunset it was on the Sunshine Coast yesterday, and hopefully it will be another today!
Caught up for lunch with a couple of major shareholders, and both seemed very upbeat! Surely happenings can't be to far away, because after I was practically raped & pillaged today with the bill. the two guests quickly said that is their shout next Friday

 

[cruiser51]

The law fucking cares what on earth are you on about

Did you notice Cominiere (a Government agency), MoP and MoM (this is the DRC government btw) don't give a flying fuk about any law and make things up on the go, as they please?

I thought it is pretty clear by now that the only rule which has applied is :'the one who pays the biggest brown paper bags into specific private accounts, gets the deal'.
It has absofukkindiddlysquat to do with any law.

If the fukkin law would matter, there would be no need to go to the ICC.
So much for your caring law.

 

[cruiser51]

Latest council of ministers meeting

https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1jMJgLvRLVkxL

 

[Der Geist]

don't just plop it into the forum with zero fucking context

What context are you looking for???

I gave context on that post and after. Think about it.

If it feels like inadequate context, then ask the question ask the question ask the quesion. But don’t flame, when you can ask.
Wombat74 accepted it as valid -

I think you could apologise for thinking you can be nasty, yes? You also ignored my April 30 2022 RCCM discovery, didn’t you! Yes? Whose fault is that? Context within context, means do not bitch to me about seemingly trying to be enigmatic.

This journo was mentioned earlier:

AVZ Discussion 2022

Ohhhhhh!!!! That makes more sense. Thought it was I was just making some unsubstantiated claim like a lot of other people with "inside" knowledge. Take it as it was meant to be. Nobody actually knows what will actually happen FFS at least add IMO next time, we are starved of information and...

thestockexchange.com.au

So what does it say about knowing what’s going on?

It’s hard

 

[Der Geist]

Frank I appreciate the posts and I for one don’t want them anywhere else.
I can think of better examples of posts that I would apply “fucking useless to interact with”

@Frank so they are not just a stamp collection if you add a link, with tweet I’m sure many here will be appreciative. It also helps track if AFR delete their AVZ tweets

I also think despite the tribalists here, that it makes sense to catalogue your efforts also in it’s own folder so it’s easy to find later. If you haven’t noticed, moneybhags has been trying to classify discrete areas for easy access.

Otherwise it really does look like hotcrapper that doesn’t allow all the cataloguing moneybhags utilises

 

[Nudedomas59]

Big game Winenut


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Butters!!!!!!!

 

[Der Geist]

Did you notice Cominiere (a Government agency), MoP and MoM (this is the DRC government btw) don't give a flying fuk about any law and make things up on the go, as they please?

I thought it is pretty clear by now that the only rule which has applied is :'the one who pays the biggest brown paper bags into specific private accounts, gets the deal'.
It has absofukkindiddlysquat to do with any law.

If the fukkin law would matter, there would be no need to go to the ICC.
So much for your caring law.

You have to hope it matters or your investment is likely fukked. The neutrality of ICC also can provide DRC authorities with an objectivity they could use safely that they otherwise are sadly lacking in the home jurisdiction. I think they might be using ICC jurisdiction seriously because Kibeya emerged in a twitter account after the emergency relief favourable outcome

Going to ICC is covered as it appears in this section of the JVA:

“######
ARTICLE 44. DISPUTES AND CONTROVERSIES
44.1 In the event of disputes and controversies between the shareholders and the Corporation or between the shareholders themselves, concerning or arising out of the affairs of the Corporation, the party concerned undertakes, before instituting any arbitration proceedings, and except in an emergency, to meet with the other party or parties to attempt to reach an amicable settlement. To this end, the delegate of the party concerned shall meet with the other party or parties within fifteen (15) working days of the invitation to such a meeting sent by letter by the most diligent party to the other party or parties concerned. If such a meeting is not held within such period or if the dispute or difference is not settled in writing by all the parties concerned within fifteen (15) working days of the meeting, on the initiative of the most diligent party, the dispute shall be finally settled under the Rules of Arbitration of the International Chamber of Commerce by one or more arbitrators appointed in accordance with such Rules.
44.2 The arbitration shall take place in Paris and the proceedings shall be conducted in French with
simultaneous translation into English. The parties to the arbitration documents in English or French.
The parties to the arbitration may present their
44.3 The arbitral tribunal shall apply Congolese law, however, in the event of a legal vacuum, the arbitral tribunal may refer to
44.3 The arbitral tribunal shall apply Congolese law, but in the event of a legal vacuum the arbitral tribunal may refer to the general principles of international trade law.
44.4 The arbitral award shall be final and binding. The parties undertake to carry out without delay and in good faith the award rendered by the arbitrators in accordance with the provisions of this Article and hereby waive any immunity from jurisdiction or execution in connection with its implementation. An application for enforcement of the award may be made to any court having jurisdiction.##########”

Full PDF is now uploaded in its own thread for easy locating.

 

[Der Geist]

That's a very dramatic way to say a couple of recent interlopers have started sprouting crap and diverted the attention of the forum.

No it is the exact opposite of what he is saying.
He thinks you are all paranoid nut cases

 

[Fletch77]

Butters!!!!!!!

Butters was incredible !!

On another note.. who is the fuckwit that reported my post last night mentioning the footy to another member ???

If we can’t get a bit off topic a bit on weekends when a few of the boys are on the piss that’s just pathetic, and not what this forum should be about.

Zeebot this forum has gone downhill BIG time in the last couple of weeks.. and most people in here know why.

Having a bit of a laugh in the weekend while a few in here relax with a few drinks had been a good feature of this forum.. let’s not let a couple of blow-ins call the shots and piss the locals off.

I think your AI bot needs to be disabled from a certain couple of posters, which are quite likely the same person trying to manipulate the agenda here.

I give this post what .. 10 mins to be reported ??

 

[TLH]

It’s great to see the AVZ army ramping things up on Twitter - I have no doubt we are exposing all the corrupt and evil players. I hope the AVZ team continue to band together and show our force. Even if you don’t like to post on Twitter I encourage everyone to ‘like’ and ‘share’ any influential posts to ensure the truth is exposed on an international level.
I am looking forward to a big smile at the end of this roller coaster ride!

 

[Der Geist]

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