AVZ Discussion 2022

Maybe it is time to release the real results of the drilling, ie updated JORC and value of the resource.

It looks like Cominière's action very clearly points at attempting to push AVZ out and let the entire lease of 13359, 70% to Zijin and 30% to DRC.

It explains why 13359 was re-united.

If you going into legal bun fight, it helps you can point at a real value when fighting for damages.

I have also thought the DRC wants Cominiere to have a greater percentage of this project and this is one suspect way to try and get it

@Misfits and @Mr Inappropriate I added some of the information (below) I gathered pointing at corruption in the DRC and if it implicates their politicians then the people to blame must be the DRC NGO and Civil Society Groups because they are the ones who provided this information. The only thing is I need to try and condense it into smaller blocks and get it ready to add to THE VUKA GROUP promoted and Zijin sponsored DRC MINING WEEK EVENT in June


AHEAD OF THE DRC MINING WEEK 14-16 JUNE 2023
THE DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF CONGO IS STILL FULL OF CORRUPTION


NOTHING HAS CHANGED SINCE 2017
ASSESSMENT OF CORRUPTION RISKS IN THE AWARDING OF MINING RIGHTS IN THE DRC PDF


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...ChAWegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw0kM-taVquP0amGjdMt-PT_

THE FOLLOWING REPORTS FROM:
DRC NGO AND CIVIL SOCIETY GROUPS
GLOBAL WITNESS, ZOOM ECO.NET, AFRICA INTELLIGENCE
REUTERS, COPPERBELT KATANGA MINING, 7SUR7.CD, ECONEWSRDC.COM
MINES.CD, MAGAZINE LA GUARDIA, IWEBRDC, CONGO -NOUVEAU, ACTUALIT.CD


14/12/2021
Investigation sounds alarm on risks in Congo’s nascent lithium sector

A new investigation by Global Witness looking into the Democratic Republic of Congo’s nascent lithium sector sounds the alarm bell on a swathe of potential supply chain risks. To create the report, the London and Washington-based NGO looked at a sample block of 51 mining concessions that concentrated around the town of Manono in southern DRC and where hard-rock lithium deposits have been discovered. The investigation found concessions on and around DRC’s lithium deposits are or were held by or involved a small number of people with close business relationships – including a now-serving government official – with former President Kabila,”

According to the group, Cong Mao Huai, reported to be an adviser to former DRC president Joseph Kabila, is or was associated with companies with ownership links to six concessions investigated by Global Witness. The NGO claims to have seen documents that appear to show there have been long-standing business links between Cong and now-serving Minister Guy Loando Mboyo. The report also cites data from Congo Hold Up – the biggest leak of financial information from Africa to date – which supports the allegations of the business links between the two.
MINING.COM Staff Writer | December 14, 2021 | 5:06 am Battery Metals Africa Lithium


12/08/2022
The Episcopal Commission for Natural Resources of the National Episcopal Conference of Congo (CERN-CENCO) organized, this Thursday, August 11, 2022, a conference under the theme: "How can lithium from Manono in the DRC contribute to the energy transition? ? Multi-stakeholder reflection on the sidelines of the pre-COP27”.

Initiated under the cover of the Ecclesial Network of the Congo Basin Forest (REBAC), this conference brought together several stakeholders, including partner companies such as COMINIERE, AVZ and other shareholders.


05/09/2022

DRC UNITED STATES
US disillusioned over failure to turn DR Congo away from Beijing. Ever since Félix Tshisekedi took power, Washington had hoped he would curb China's huge influence in the country. Four years later, the United States is bitterly disappointed that it has failed to break Beijing's hegemony in strategic mining issues.


09/10/2022
Financial crime watchdog adds Congo to money laundering watch list

KINSHASA, Oct 8 The Financial Action Task Force plans to put Democratic Republic of Congo on a list of countries subject to increased monitoring. Congo, a major cobalt and copper producer, will go on the global financial crime watchdog's so-called "grey list" of deficient countries no later than Oct. 21 for shortcomings in stamping out financial corruption, including money laundering and anti-terrorist financing


29/10/2022
DRC: UC SAS denounces a mining fraud of more than USD 10 million estimated at 60 tons of Coltan and Cassiterite, perpetrated in Manono and Malemba-Nkulu

A mining fraud of more than 60 tons of coltan and cassiterite, valued at more than USD 10 million, is allegedly perpetrated in the territories of Manono and Malemba-Nkulu, in the provinces of Haut Lomami and Tanganyika. This company accuses a certain Hadley Nathus and a Canadian subject named Eric Allard (chairman and CEO of the company TANTALEX) who, acting in complicity with the leaders of COMINIERE, would be in collusion with some authorities of the country, to cover up this large-scale mining fraud. UC SAS alerts the authorities to monitor this situation.

In addition, this company accuses by name the Ministry of Justice of having taken a decision contrary to the rule of law by instructing the Single Window for Business Creation (GUCE), through its letter number 2160/LW10130/APP/CAB/ME/MIN/J&GS/2022 of September 20, 2022, technical service under its supervision, to cancel a legal transfer of shares for the benefit of a Canadian subject "yet condemned on Congolese soil by judgments that have become final". The company UC SAS notes that the instruction of the Ministry of Justice given to the GUCE "violates the laws of the country and proceeds from an abuse of power, insofar as it operates on the judgments that have become final about this assignment: RP19203, RCE 7495, RPO 10247/10267, as well as a pre-law under RAC 2942". In addition, it deplores the "sabotage" of the efforts made by the President of the Republic Felix Tshisekedi, to establish good governance in the DRC, marked by, among other things, respect for the principle of separation of powers and the improvement of the business climate. "The DRC must avoid being influenced by crooked individuals, so-called investors, while recognized speculators, at the risk of tarnishing the image of the entire country, and particularly the Sama Lukonde government...", deplores the UC SAS in its statement.


20/11/2022
DRC - Mines: COMINIERE SA accused of blocking the Manono Lithium production project, this mineral prized in the manufacture of electric batteries (Civil Society)

The Congolese state portfolio company COMINIERE SA is accused of continuing to multiply illegal manoeuvres to block the effective start-up of Dathcom's lithium mining project in Manono, Tanganyika province.

President Tshisekedi called to ensure the integrity of the leaders of the COMINIERE
Based on this observation, civil society asks President Félix-Antoine Tshisekedi to ensure that the climate of trust reigns between the shareholders of the joint venture Dathcom Mining SA so that operating operations begin urgently and to give orders to the state services for Dathcom Mining SA to be notified and that the 10% of action of the State are effectively registered in the register of the Mining Cadastre, in accordance with
mining legislation.

Leaders of the COMINIERE called to resign
Finally, the leaders of COMINIERE SA are called upon to resign taking into account the conclusions of the General Inspectorate of Finance (IGF) on their management and the sale of the assets of this state enterprise. The organizations and platforms of civil society in the DRC that signed this press release are: CDH, ESPOIR ONGDH, JUSTICIA Asbl, LICOCO, MAX IMPACT, MDR, POM, RCEN, RDN Asbl, CERN/CENCO AND TPRDC.


20/11/2022
Civil Society points to the culprit and mobilizes to save the Manono lithium mining project

The lithium mining project in Manono, in the province of Tanganyika, is stalling. And civil society, evolving in the natural resources sector, does not hesitate to name the culprit: Cominière (Congolese mining company), this company of the State Portfolio born from the vestiges of Zaire-Etain. In a statement, made simultaneously, on November 20, 2022, in Kinshasa, Kolwezi, Lubumbashi and Bukavu, these Civil Society Organizations note that "the management of Cominière SA must stop blocking Manono's development and undermining the presidential energy policy and the development of 145 territories by multiplying strategies to block Dathcom Mining". From the outset, these Civil Society Organizations specialized in natural resources issues say they note "agitation and maneuvers on the part of certain administrative and judicial government services as well as Cominière SA in order to freeze the notification of the Operating Permit of Dathcom Mining SA and communicate to it the total amount of surface rights due to the State. Faustin KUEDIASALA 0


21/11/2022
DRC: La Cominière in the sights of the 12 NGOs

A dozen national organizations accuse the public company Cominière S A of blocking the Manono Lithium project. Indeed, to start the exploitation of this strategic ore, there is a prerequisite, it is access to electrical energy


28/11/2022
DRC: this is why civil society organizations specializing in mining issues are asking Tshisekedi to dismiss the portfolio minister

In a joint press release, Congolese civil society organizations and platforms specializing in mining issues (Justicia Asbl, LICOCO, RND Asbl, POM, MDR, GANVE, CDH, ESPOIR ONG, RCEN, CERN / CENCO, TPRDC, MAX IMPACT) , who have been monitoring the exploitation of natural resources in the Democratic Republic of Congo, ask the President of the Republic to dismiss the Minister of Portfolio of the Government of the Republic By Gilbert Ngonga


30/11/2022


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19/12/2022
Sale of the mining assets of Cominière SA: Technical director Célestin Kibeya accused of complicity and usurpation of competence

Congolese civil society organizations and platforms specializing in mining issues (Justicia Asbl, LICOCO, RND Asbl, POM, MDR, GANVE, CDH, ESPOIR ONG, RCEN, CERN/CENCO, TPRDC, MAX IMPACT), monitoring exploitation of natural resources in the Democratic Republic of Congo, accused, in a press release, the technical director Célestin Kibeya Kabemba of being no stranger to the selling off of the mining assets of the Congolese mining company (Cominière SA). Worse still, the man exercises the functions of interim Director General without presidential order, nor decree of the ministry of supervision, that of the Portfolio, even less a report of the Board of directors. "Already on October 26, 2022, when the interim Managing Director Mwamba Athanase was not yet in the hands of Congolese justice, the same Mr. Kibeya had co-signed as '' Managing Director ai '' on behalf of Cominière SA a press release press attributed to UNITED COMINIERE SAS with Eric Allard, a convicted person in Lubumbashi for forgery and use of forgery, and Michel Kitwa Nelkin. “, denounce these NGOs.


11/04/2023
DRC: CNPAV asks Felix Tshisekedi to reconsider his letter to Joe Biden requesting the lifting of sanctions against Dan Gertler

The Congo is not for sale (CNPAV) sends a letter to the President of the Democratic Republic of Congo Félix Tshisekedi to express his "deepest dismay" following the discovery, in the columns of the New York Times newspaper, of his letter dated of May 05, 2022 addressed to his American counterpart Joe Biden, requesting the lifting of sanctions against Dan Gertler. According to CNPAV estimates, the losses for the Congo in cases linked to Dan Gertler amount to more than $2 billion.


In addition to these reports, it appears businessmen such as Simon Cong and Dan Gertler continue to have impunity in the DRC. Not included here are the IGF Report and articles by Kiki Kienge
 
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M.Bison

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Well one thing is for sure now. We won't be a mining company. Probably have more lawyers on the books than engineers at this point. Best case to me is a damages claim. Might see that in about 5 years.
 
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If the DRC strips AVZ of its majority ownership of the Manono project, AVZ will launch an eye-watering multi-billion dollar damages claim in the ICC.

With this in mind, plus well-documented evidence of systematic China-DRC corruption, plus the potential death of its lithium battery aspirations, plus reputational damage ahead of national elections, I think the DRC government will not pull the plug.

Nonetheless, this is a high-stakes game of who blinks first.

Just thinking out aloud.

Cheers
F
I thought I'd do some thinking out loud if you guys don't mind, because this is very alarming news.
I'm trying to bring everything into perspective.

This move is obviously unlawful, you can't just cancel a contract unless there is an intervention decree from government.

If cominiere could throw us out with this move, they would have done it long ago.

Why do it now? An unlawful public move like this at this time can only mean utter desperation.

While the move may not be legal, it will delay this longer and longer, which is the chinese plan of attack.

If CKK is endebted to Zijin, and he promised them something, took their money and cant deliver, what does he do?

The incriminating audio of CKK might have been a warning shot from Zijin?
Get us what we want or we release more incriminating information.

Desperate moves are made by desperate people.

Not that I understand Congolese mining laws one bit, but I think the only way out of this is intervention from the President.
This move may force his hand to do just that.

CKK Needs to be arrested and replaced.

I can't imagine The MoM or the president happily waiting another 12+ months for this new drama to play out.
Enough is enough.

It's simply too damaging for them to take it all away from AVZ after the time and money invested, abiding by the laws, supporting the community, ect, ect...

Sooo just thinking out loud because I need some hope and to think things through.

Take some time out guys, this is so fucking frustrating and scary.
 
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Just the below for peer review lol;

1. the current AVZ v Cominiere case won't seek damages but just void Cominiere's attempt to kick us out, and finally put the illegal sale to ZJ to rest

2. the new ICC should supercede the one we have ZJ since it covers some of the same things - for international law this would be like double jeopardy because one ruling would determine the other (i think the rule is that which ever case is bigger, and has more parts should be heard first).

3. Our recourse if JVA is dissolved, would be to sue the DRC government - that is when we would seek damages and lost potential, amounting to 100 years of DRC national GDP (my maths is bad, but this checks out)
 
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I think these boneheads only think about themselves and want to line their own pockets . If it looks like we will continue down this path then either cut a deal (if that's possible ) of sue them on the world stage now . Lets not wait going through this BS for another 18 months . Lets do in now . Put the cards on the table now .

I think the cards are on the table, and negotiations on-going.

In poker parlez, AVZ just saw and raised the bet.

Cheers
F
 
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If the DRC strips AVZ of its majority ownership of the Manono project, AVZ will launch an eye-watering multi-billion dollar damages claim in the ICC.

With this in mind, plus well-documented evidence of systematic China-DRC corruption, plus the potential death of its lithium battery aspirations, plus reputational damage ahead of national elections, I think the DRC government will not pull the plug.

Nonetheless, this is a high-stakes game of who blinks first.

Just thinking out aloud.

Cheers
F
US - Alright DRC, we'll help you guys out, but you gotta stop all this corruption shit.
DRC - OK but just let us do this one last thing really quick
US - Is it super corrupt
DRC - .....
US - Well?
(DRC leans over and whispers with China, China hands DRC a crudely written note under the table)
DRC - .....define 'corrupt'?
US - Is that your answer or China's answer?
DRC - ... ours?
US - Answer's still No.
 
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I think the cards are on the table, and negotiations on-going.

In poker parlez, AVZ just saw and raised the bet.

Cheers
F
Yes, I feel this now that you mention it.
The way the announcement was worded was almost like a confident poker move.
 
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Azzler

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Jens seems pretty confident and unshaken.
Take that however you will.

Me I'm a little shaken 😶
 
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Winenut

Go AVZ!
I'm exhausted....
 
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Misfits

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wow MB!!!! A lot of material there.
 
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wombat74

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Jens seems pretty confident and unshaken.
Take that however you will.

Me I'm a little shaken 😶

Cominiere terminated our JVA (illegally) . If we have to take them to court to have it recognised as BS , how can they award us with the ML ? What Cominere have done is effectively taken the the ML off the table for about the next 18 months . Stall tactics . CKK is a Chinese puppet . Unless the MoM or Felix step in and help us we will continue to push sh1t up hill and run out of time and money . Hopefully Nigel is giving them something serious to think about .
 
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Cominiere terminated our JVA (illegally) . If we have to take them to court to have it recognised as BS , how can they award us with the ML ? What Cominere have done is effectively taken the the ML off the table for about the next 18 months . Stall tactics . CKK is a Chinese puppet . Unless the MoM or Felix step in and help us we will continue to push sh1t up hill and run out of time and money . Hopefully Nigel is giving them something serious to think about . A few Chess moves .
It's equivelant of flipping the game board.

Intervention is the only way forward, at least that's how it appears to me.
 
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wombat74

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Any guesses what headline Tommy the Turd will use for his next article in about 4 hours time . Let me guess :' DRC Terminates AVZ Joint Venture Agreement '.
 
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Any guesses what headline Tommy the Turd will use for his next article in about 4 hours time . Let me guess :' DRC Terminates AVZ Joint Venture Agreement '.
AFR apologizes for misleading and bias reports, fires Tom Richardson for colluding with the Chinese
 
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Any guesses what headline Tommy the Turd will use for his next article in about 4 hours time . Let me guess :' DRC Terminates AVZ Joint Venture Agreement '.

Probably one of yours, he likes saying it’s all doom and gloom for AVZ
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One question:
Is anyone aware of the factual reason(s) provided by the government to Dathcom as to why the ML has not been issued?


One observation;
The ICC route will take forever. Only the president’s intervention will change our trajectory.
 
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One question:
Is anyone aware of the factual reason(s) provided by the government to Dathcom as to why the ML has not been issued?


One observation;
The ICC route will take forever. Only the president’s intervention will change our trajectory.

Possibly Tshisekedi told Lukonde to tell Kayinda to tell to tell N’samba to tell Mupande not to calculate the surface rights fees

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Is there an English version of the Dathcom JV agreement floating around?
 
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