AVZ Discussion 2022
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Now old snake head has been thrown under the bus the pressure needs to be screwed up on Zijin to concede they have been criminal in their dealings and walk away. The letter of demand highlighting their blackmail should be posted in every orifice of social media.
PS Jag, loving your work on twitter, any tips on how to post the gifs(or whatever they are). Not too flash on using the bird. TIA mate.
PS Jag, loving your work on twitter, any tips on how to post the gifs(or whatever they are). Not too flash on using the bird. TIA mate.
Having just digested all the output from the last 24hrs, re: the Civil Society meeting in Lumambashi etc, my feeling is that we don't seem any closer to a resolution. Sounds like we haven't even been able to get everyone around a table. I think the situation with Cominiere may well be intractable, and it will in the end come down to a Presidential intervention one way or the other down the line, when the deadlock isn't broken. As I can't see them waiting until the ICC cases are put to bed.
I hope we are doing our best to lobby FT and get some facetime. You can be sure the opposing factions are doing what they can to poison that well - as they did effectively during Covid.
Anyway, still appears quite perilous. Stay strong team!
I hope we are doing our best to lobby FT and get some facetime. You can be sure the opposing factions are doing what they can to poison that well - as they did effectively during Covid.
Anyway, still appears quite perilous. Stay strong team!
Dijon101
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Unrelated but related news:
ASSOCIATED PRESS
NEW YORK (AP) — FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried was charged with directing $40 million in bribes to one or more Chinese officials to unfreeze assets relating to his cryptocurrency business in a newly rewritten indictment unsealed Tuesday.
After Bankman-Fried failed multiple attempts over several months to unfreeze the accounts through methods including using lawyers to lobby, Bankman-Fried ultimately agreed to direct a multimillion dollar bribe to try to unfreeze the accounts, the indictment said.
Looks like its simply how business is done with the Chinese. Bribes and corruption are the normal....
ASSOCIATED PRESS
NEW YORK (AP) — FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried was charged with directing $40 million in bribes to one or more Chinese officials to unfreeze assets relating to his cryptocurrency business in a newly rewritten indictment unsealed Tuesday.
After Bankman-Fried failed multiple attempts over several months to unfreeze the accounts through methods including using lawyers to lobby, Bankman-Fried ultimately agreed to direct a multimillion dollar bribe to try to unfreeze the accounts, the indictment said.
Looks like its simply how business is done with the Chinese. Bribes and corruption are the normal....
Via WhatsApp ffs!
Uglybob
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I know a large chunk of Aussies don't think much of religious organisations, but you need to understand that for every dickhead exposed in the media for doing something bad, there are another 100 people doing something good for the better of the community because they care.
Here on the Gold Coast there are multiple groups ensuring the homeless can get a free hot meal every night of the week at multiple locations around the place.
They put together teams to help clean up after the floods.
The have renovated community centres out of their own funds for non-religions groups so they can better serve the community.
One church bought a house, renovated it with a bunch of bedrooms and then handed it over to the salvos to run as a safe place for homeless expectant mothers who had no where to go. For free, while covering the running costs.
There are stacks more things like this that are funded by the churches, not government money.
The same goes over in DRC. The churches are there from the Belgium days. They aren't rich but do care about the people in the community and have a good idea what's going on in the area. So if they see something that will greatly benefit the community and drag them out of the absolute poverty which is all around them, they will push for it.
Here on the Gold Coast there are multiple groups ensuring the homeless can get a free hot meal every night of the week at multiple locations around the place.
They put together teams to help clean up after the floods.
The have renovated community centres out of their own funds for non-religions groups so they can better serve the community.
One church bought a house, renovated it with a bunch of bedrooms and then handed it over to the salvos to run as a safe place for homeless expectant mothers who had no where to go. For free, while covering the running costs.
There are stacks more things like this that are funded by the churches, not government money.
The same goes over in DRC. The churches are there from the Belgium days. They aren't rich but do care about the people in the community and have a good idea what's going on in the area. So if they see something that will greatly benefit the community and drag them out of the absolute poverty which is all around them, they will push for it.
All will be revealed soon at the ICC. From the Finance Minister’s interview one thing is clear they don’t want all their eggs in one basket. When the Chinese already control all the other mines in the DRC, the same thing cannot happen to Manono.
Zijin have admitted the 15% is not legit . Why are they going ahead with it ?
Let's hope so. My wish is that this April hearing will publicly expose Zijin and Cominiere, and push the DRC leadership to intervene. As the expected result from this ICC case won't be around till after July 2023 at the earliest, and will only be ruling on whether ICC is the right jurisdiction for Zijin's challenge, so likely isnt an end in itself. Whilst a positive result on this challenge could be used as an affirmation that Zijin isn't part of the JVA and thus the Project, it wouldn't be a legal resolution of the transfer of shares from Cominiere to Jin Cheng. That would await further time and legal action.
So fingers crossed that the information presented at the upcoming hearing is sufficiently clear and damning enough for either:
A) Zijin to withdraw their challenge and walk away, in order to maintain their wider interests in DRC - perhaps with some sort of compensatory titbit from the government
B) FT / MoM to be provided with the ammunition required to make a captain's call to follow the Mining Code and oust Zijin, paving way for issuance of ML
We'll have to try and support the circulation of info presented at the ICC as part of efforts to ensure it reaches the right hands, and percolates through the community also.
Bin59
Regular
Another article (Nov 2022) of interest but not directly related to AVZ:
Brine nests and treatment areas of the lithium mine of the Chilean company SQM, in the Atacama Desert. (Martin BERNETTI / AFP) (Photo by MARTIN BERNETTI/AFP via Getty Images)Canada no longer wants China to have stakes in its lithium mining companies. A change of attitude that means a lot.
The news: Canada no longer wants Chinese holdings in its lithium companies.
Canada orders China to withdraw from its lithium companies: "Don't have the same values"
Olivier DaelenFriday, November 4, 2022
The news: Canada no longer wants Chinese holdings in its lithium companies.
- The Canadian government ordered China to withdraw from three lithium extraction companies. Are targeted:
- Sinomine Rare Metals Resources' participation in Power metals (which mines in Canada)
- Chengze Lithium International's participation in Lithium Chile (which mines in Chile and Argentina)
- Zangge Mining Investment's stake in Ultra Lithium (which mines in Canada, the USA and Argentina)
- It is China that is directly targeted. On the one hand, because it would not share Canadian values. On the other hand, because it would represent a threat to the security of the country. This decision follows a review by the defence and intelligence services that led to the conclusion that these investments posed a threat to national security.
- The Minister of Industry, François-Philippe Champagne, indicated that Canada remains in favor of foreign direct investment by companies that "share our interests and values", but that it "act decisively when investments threaten our national security and our supply chains of essential minerals".
- In parallel with this announcement, Canada also indicated that it would only exceptionally allow public entities to invest in its essential mineral companies.
- Here too, it is the Chinese groups that are in sight.
- At the same time, Ottawa is busy strengthening its economic ties with its Western allies in terms of critical minerals, such as lithium.
- The initiative is welcomed by the United States.
- "This is a change in Canada's national security policy, which is moving from traditional national security risks to critical supply chain risks," Nazak Nikakhtar, a former U.S. Department of Commerce official, told the Financial Times.
- China obviously sees this with a bad eye, but it does not panic. Its refiners still process more than half of the global supply.
- It would be different if Australia, the world's largest producer, followed the same path as that taken by Canada, in turn excluding Chinese groups.
- It should be noted, as explained here, that Europe is also trying to get rid of its dependence on Chinese lithium refiners
- An essential element of batteries, lithium is perceived as a major issue for the green transition - although its extraction is anything but green.
- According to the IEA's estimates, global demand for lithium will increase more than tenfold over the next twenty years.
Well a few months ago we were told that Zijin had indeed withdrawn their claim to 15% and that the DRC were going to sweeten the going away pot with some other leases. What happened to that?
I think they decided instead to embark on a strategic campaign of delayance, hoping that if they could prevent the Project from going ahead through legal actions and through the intercession of their corrupt DRC facilitators, all the while conducting a twin high-level / grass-roots campaign to present these blockages as AVZ's fault, that the Government would eventually lose patience and strip our licence - opening the path for their seizure of Manono
I think this was around when they realised they may not be able to claim the northern tenement, so shifted gears back towards playing the long game aimed at outright control
Frank
Top 20
*Unfortunately so Bro, mixing Religion and Politics goes hand in hand in the DRC it seems
*To add, I see where,
Government Sama 2: It is the team of the electoral campaign of Félix Tshisekedi (Devos Kitoko)!
The reshuffle of the SAMA Lukonde government carried out last week by the President of the Republic has aroused the reaction of political actors from all sides.
This is the case of Professor Devos Kitoko, senior executive of the Lamuka political platform and secretary general of the Ecidé political party dear to Martin Fayulu Madidi.
According to him, the ministerial reshuffle carried out by the President is a non-event and its leaders constitute a cabinet of his electoral campaign for the future elections.
And to hammer:
"This government is a chronicle of failure announced to those who have fraudulently reached the summit of the institutions of the Democratic Republic of Congo".
For this close friend of Martin Fayulu, this cabinet that Tshisekedi has just set up to prepare for his election worries all Congolese with regard to the configuration of its animators who have acceded to their posts where each has been placed where he has left a taste, very bitter to the Congolese people.
Also, he adds, this government has no difference from the previous one.
Because, according to him, those who have just integrated him are not credible with regard to everything that has happened in our country, including the 100-day public trials where all Congolese were informed of the embezzlement of more than 50 millions of US dollars that have never been returned to the public treasury while we have witnessed the acquittals of these culprits and perpetrators.
Moreover, this scientist asks the current regime to organize credible, transparent, impartial and peaceful elections within the constitutional period and with the consensus of the electoral law and the leaders of the electoral center in order to restore peace, honor, the dignity, credibility and legitimacy of the institutions of the DRC and its facilitators.
However, if nothing is done until January 23, 2024 at midnight, the country will witness a legal vacuum at the top of the State from where it must be filled by the establishment of a short transition which will be piloted by civil society leaders and without Félix Antoine Tshisekedi Tshilombo, declared the secretary general of Ecidé, before calling on the Congolese to be vigilant in all directions to block the way to all usurpers.
mediacongo
Food for thought
Frank
What assessment for elected officials "of father and mother"?
After being bombarded with promises during the 2018 election campaign and throughout the five-year term, the Congolese expect their elected officials - at all levels - to be accountable to them.
An extraordinarily difficult exercise, because near the end of the current mandate, the electoral dividend is still not there.
If by virtue of the atavism of our country "to serve and not to serve", the new nomenklatura has settled and installed wives, children, brothers, boyfriends and girlfriends, the greatest number continue to wait for the "big night like Samuel Becket's "Waiting for Godot".
*nomenklatura.
( formerly, in the USSR and E Europe ) a list of individuals drawn up by the Communist Party from which were selected candidates for vacant senior positions in the state, party, and other important organizations.)
On a number of social markers of the improvement of the ordinary - transport, agricultural service roads, housing, access to water, electricity, purchasing power... -, not the slightest beginning of the thaw.
To paraphrase the Belgian General Janssens would give, for once, before the equal alternation after the alternation.
That is to say.
Seen from the average Congolese, this very unflattering balance sheet - to put it mildly - has for authors complacent elected officials and leaders who are very little focused on the general interest very mainly, even almost exclusively born of Congolese father and mother.
At a time when public opinion is awaiting accountability and preparing to punish those responsible for the failure through the ballot box, now we are putting back on the table a bill whose only "merit" would be to divide the Congolese, to pit them against each other. We would like to make the short scale or a call for air to all those who bet on the partition of the country that we would not do it otherwise.
However, case law on the management of the res publica shows that the country suffers rather from a glaring deficit of statesmen in the Churchillian sense of the concept.
Where there are not enough statesmen, that is to say leaders who put the general interest before their individual and navel-gazing equations, corruption, embezzlement, mismanagement ... are queens .
This is where we must look for the origin of the Zairian disease diagnosed and even theorized by Mobutu in 1977 even if the therapy has never been applied.
The country led at all levels by "Congolese father and mother" suffers from it until today.
Food for thought
Frank
I don't think there is any chance that Zijin will walk away . They know it's not legit but they are the buyer not the seller . The FROR between Cominiere and AVZ/Dath being upheld has nothing to do with Zijin . MoP & DG of C made that call . Zijin going to want their money back when they lose unless they get all of Nth CDL . The DG of C must be having a few sleepless nights .
Winenut
Go AVZ!
What assessment for elected officials "of father and mother"?
After being bombarded with promises during the 2018 election campaign and throughout the five-year term, the Congolese expect their elected officials - at all levels - to be accountable to them.
An extraordinarily difficult exercise, because near the end of the current mandate, the electoral dividend is still not there.
If by virtue of the atavism of our country "to serve and not to serve", the new nomenklatura has settled and installed wives, children, brothers, boyfriends and girlfriends, the greatest number continue to wait for the "big night like Samuel Becket's "Waiting for Godot".
*nomenklatura.
( formerly, in the USSR and E Europe ) a list of individuals drawn up by the Communist Party from which were selected candidates for vacant senior positions in the state, party, and other important organizations.)
On a number of social markers of the improvement of the ordinary - transport, agricultural service roads, housing, access to water, electricity, purchasing power... -, not the slightest beginning of the thaw.
To paraphrase the Belgian General Janssens would give, for once, before the equal alternation after the alternation.
That is to say.
Seen from the average Congolese, this very unflattering balance sheet - to put it mildly - has for authors complacent elected officials and leaders who are very little focused on the general interest very mainly, even almost exclusively born of Congolese father and mother.
At a time when public opinion is awaiting accountability and preparing to punish those responsible for the failure through the ballot box, now we are putting back on the table a bill whose only "merit" would be to divide the Congolese, to pit them against each other. We would like to make the short scale or a call for air to all those who bet on the partition of the country that we would not do it otherwise.
However, case law on the management of the res publica shows that the country suffers rather from a glaring deficit of statesmen in the Churchillian sense of the concept.
Where there are not enough statesmen, that is to say leaders who put the general interest before their individual and navel-gazing equations, corruption, embezzlement, mismanagement ... are queens .
This is where we must look for the origin of the Zairian disease diagnosed and even theorized by Mobutu in 1977 even if the therapy has never been applied.
The country led at all levels by "Congolese father and mother" suffers from it until today.
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Food for thought
Frank
If by virtue of the atavism of our country "to serve and not to serve", the new nomenklatura has settled and installed wives, children, brothers, boyfriends and girlfriends, the greatest number continue to wait for the "big night like Samuel Becket's "Waiting for Godot".
*nomenklatura.
I think they mean nomenclature (a system of naming things) but I'm unsure exactly how it fits in this context
Probably a little bit lost in translation??
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