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#CHINESE_CONTRACT

Following the IGM's damning report, the PR05 decided to revisit the convention in order to rebalance things in favour of the DRC.

Let us congratulate the PR05 for this political courage and ask it to also find a definitive solution to the blocking of Lithium/Manono.

 
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Message for Felix.

Dear Felix, the current strategy AVZ is forced to take looks solid considering the limited cards we can play. AVZ sitting on the Manono resource and controlling interest in Dathcom, so let the ICC cases roll on if thats what you want Felix? Everyone knows you cannot just kick out AVZ, no chance.

So Felix, the ball is in your court, you can force the Chinese crooks and corrupt DRC Gov officials and CAMI officials to capitulate in favour of AVZ, or nobody wins for a long long time and AVZ wins big at the end of the day at the ICC, sitting opposite DRC lawyers sometime down the road.

So what, AVZ misses the first few years of Lithium take up, big deal, only another 30 years of massive increase and demand to follow. Take your time Felix, import lithium from Zimbabwe if you like to support your vision of a battery manufacturing nation, laugh, cough, laugh, sorry it's a reflex issue I have to bullshit. Or you can do the right thing.

How much of a dick will you look like if "your" battery manufacturing vision including supplying lithium has to come from a neighbouring country Felix?

IMO, AVZ has a siege in place around Manono. The corrupt can't starve us out, we will survive and the crooks and bad actors will fail in the end.

Every day the awareness of AVZ and their plight increases in the DRC and globally, this cluster fuck in your Government and Portfolio Companies will soon get away from you Felix and be a significant embarrassment for you, including your family ties into CAMI.

Good luck getting the votes in December Felix with the AVZ issue unresolved. How much support from the ADB, IMF, EU and US will there be for you if you let the Chinese and corrupt Ministers and Gov agents run all over an Aussie company that has done all the work at Manono?

Don't be a weak prick Felix, take a hit from internal support from corrupt Ministers and do the right thing, otherwise you will be out the gate and the US and EU will support an alternate President.

Cheers The Fox 🦊

*Ditto Bro, Well said, I concur, as

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The return to parliament in March marks the twilight of five years at the People's Palace.

It is time for the balance sheet for each of the agents for this five-year term.


Parliamentary vacations were an opportunity for elected members of this legislature to feel the pulse of their loved ones to ensure that they were always on the same wavelength.

However, while some of the deputies have been able to prepare their holiday reports, others know that they are hated by their constituents for not having brought the grievances of their respective bases to the hemicycle of the People's Palace.

They have no report to present.

They worked for their own interests regardless of their mandates.

These populations no longer recognize themselves in their representatives.

Faced with uncertainty, the latter pray that the elections do not take place and that the idea of dialogue supported by a fringe of politicians can make progress.

In this, they will be able to benefit from a new political reprieve which will allow them to maintain the financial health acquired during this five-year period which, one thing leading to another, is coming to an end.

They had never imagined that after five years, their mandate would be called into question.

Those who have spared their grind, are ready to face the deadlines of 2023.

In the meantime, the Independent National Electoral Commission is working hard to win the bet of holding the next electoral contests in the Democratic Republic of Congo within the constitutional deadline.

For this, Denis Kadima Kazadi expressed his point of view on the UNDP report published in 2022 estimating that a shift in the electoral calendar of several months for technical reasons is now a probable scenario.

He is pleased that none of these scenarios are coming to fruition and to conclude: "I can't wait to finish with the elections".

Supporters of dialogue do not stop discrediting the ongoing electoral process.

This, despite the total of 34,445,251 Congolese, or 70% of the expected number, already enrolled by the Independent National Electoral Commission as part of the operation to review the electoral register for the holding of elections in December 2023.

The presidents of two chambers of parliament have called on the government to table the bill relating to the distribution of seats before the end of this March parliamentary session.

This, in order to allow its examination and adoption by the two chambers in good time.

All signals indicate that the 2023 elections will indeed take place in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

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Presidential 2023: the Dynamics of political and community leaders of the Grande Orientale makes 235 million FC available for the candidacy of Félix Tshisekedi

The President of the Republic, Félix Tshisekedi, received, on Wednesday March 15, 2023, the donation of two hundred and thirty-five million Congolese francs from the deposit for his presidential candidacy in 2023.


It was during an audience he granted to representatives of the Dynamics of Political and Community Leaders of the Grande Orientale.

During the exchanges, these nationals of the provinces of Haut-Uélé, Bas-Uélé, Ituri and Tshopo presented to the Head of State some problems related to the development of the Grande Orientale, including security, infrastructure and some economic aspects.

To these hosts indicates the presidential press, President Tshisekedi presented and explained the Development Program of 145 territories which he considers as the solution to the various problems mentioned.

It should be remembered that during the political forum held in Kinshasa, the Dynamics of political and community leaders of the Grande Orientale had imitated a fundraiser to support the candidacy of Felix Tshisekedi for the presidential election next December.


Elections 2023, Matata-Fayulu-Katumbi: Are we going to a coalition?

Are we going to a political coalition between Matata Ponyo, Martin Fayulu and Moïse Katumbi?

This question is worth his weight in gold.

Since, as the electoral jousts approaches, the political protagonists come together to hope for the final victory.

This Saturday, March 11, 2023, the Congolese opposition succeeded in its bet.

More than 15 km on foot to denounce the unfair aggression of the Democratic Republic of Congo by Rwanda, which continues to operate under the cover of the M23, and say no to any plan aimed at the country's Balkanization.

The leadership and governance political parties for development (LGD), commitment to citizenship and development (ECIDE) and together for the Republic, worked in Kinshasa.

For a first, Matata Ponyo Mapon (LGD) walked alongside his opposition compatriots including Martin Fayulu Madidi (Ecide), the senior overall executives for the Republic, representatives of Moïse de Katumbi on tour in the Congo deep , and even, Seth Kikuni, one of the unhappy presidential candidates of 2018.

A few months before the next electoral games, such a rapprochement is anything but a coincidence of the calendar.

Absolutely not. Hold !

A coalition is obviously no longer to be excluded between these opposition cadors who hold a bite, as they have confessed, to block the road to a second term of President Félix Tshisekedi.

They require strict compliance with the constitutional period, regardless of circumstances.

They believe that insecurity in the east of the country should in no way be brandished as a pretext that can cause a shift.

Martin Fayulu, president of the Ecide, wanted to recall him last week through a message broadcast on his Twitter account.

By the same channel, Seth Kikuni said no to an additional time at the current diet after December.

The party of Moses Katumbi, together for the Republic, hung the same trumpet after meeting in Kinshasa, still last week, for an assessment of the country's current situation.

Meanwhile, Adolphe Muzito, president of the new Elan, has not yet said his last word.

Will he join the views of Fayulu and Katumbi, his former allies within Lamuka?

Will he reach out to Félix Tshisekedi knowing that he is looking for one more mandate?

He will undoubtedly say it when the time comes.

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Use setttings - undertitles - translate to get English undertitles.
DRC wants their pound of flesh from China, discusses in te beginning.
At about 25 mins discussion about SEZ for precursor for batteries material signing later this month.
 
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#CONTRAT_CHINOIS Following the damning report of the IGF, the PR05 decides to revisit the convention in order to rebalance things in favor of the DRC. We congratulate the PR05 for this political courage and ask it to also find a definitive solution to the blocking of Lithium/Manono.
 
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Tina Salama @TinaSalama2. 2h
#ContratChinois
At the end of the IGF investigation, the President will set the record straight and restore the country to its rights. There is an urgent need to revisit this convention for a rebalancing of the advantages in order to guarantee the interests of the country. (CM)
 
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It would be a mistake for the president to react only on the contract
@SICOMINES
when there are inconsistencies in the management of minerals throughout the country, such as in particular #Dathcom and
@AvzMinerals
with the suspension of the EP. Above all, we must act...
@Presidence_RDC
 
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Legit question.

How long before people start calling Felix out as corrupt for putting up with corruption in his government?
@BEISHA and I have been doing it for months.
All of this shit is on his watch.

Seems that the confirmation bias is finally lifting in the cold light of day.

Everyone else kisses the rs of FT etc because somebody on social media says that somebody said that etc etc... usual shit.

Thank God for MB laying it all out so clearly.

Join the dots, they spell:

"AS CORRUPT AS FUCK"

Still optimistic, just think it's gonna drag on for more than a couple of months.
 
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@BEISHA and I have been doing it for months.
All of this shit is on his watch.

Seems that the confirmation bias is finally lifting in the cold light of day.

Everyone else kisses the rs of FT etc because somebody on social media says that somebody said that etc etc... usual shit.

Thank God for MB laying it all out so clearly.

Join the dots, they spell:

"AS CORRUPT AS FUCK"

Still optimistic, just think it's gonna drag on for more than a couple of months.
Yep, will give it till end of March then probably start calling him out for siding with corruption.

I still remember the past few months waiting on the assumption that negotiations were happening.. then they cancelled our decrees and AVZ had nfi what was going on. Would not be surprised if nothing is still going on and we're still waiting for someone to talk to us.

Its Been A Long Time Waiting GIF
 
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Message for Felix.

Dear Felix, the current strategy AVZ is forced to take looks solid considering the limited cards we can play. AVZ sitting on the Manono resource and controlling interest in Dathcom, so let the ICC cases roll on if thats what you want Felix? Everyone knows you cannot just kick out AVZ, no chance.

So Felix, the ball is in your court, you can force the Chinese crooks and corrupt DRC Gov officials and CAMI officials to capitulate in favour of AVZ, or nobody wins for a long long time and AVZ wins big at the end of the day at the ICC, sitting opposite DRC lawyers sometime down the road.

So what, AVZ misses the first few years of Lithium take up, big deal, only another 30 years of massive increase and demand to follow. Take your time Felix, import lithium from Zimbabwe if you like to support your vision of a battery manufacturing nation, laugh, cough, laugh, sorry it's a reflex issue I have to bullshit. Or you can do the right thing.

How much of a dick will you look like if "your" battery manufacturing vision including supplying lithium has to come from a neighbouring country Felix?

IMO, AVZ has a siege in place around Manono. The corrupt can't starve us out, we will survive and the crooks and bad actors will fail in the end.

Every day the awareness of AVZ and their plight increases in the DRC and globally, this cluster fuck in your Government and Portfolio Companies will soon get away from you Felix and be a significant embarrassment for you, including your family ties into CAMI.

Good luck getting the votes in December Felix with the AVZ issue unresolved. How much support from the ADB, IMF, EU and US will there be for you if you let the Chinese and corrupt Ministers and Gov agents run all over an Aussie company that has done all the work at Manono?

Don't be a weak prick Felix, take a hit from internal support from corrupt Ministers and do the right thing, otherwise you will be out the gate and the US and EU will support an alternate President.

Cheers The Fox 🦊
100%

And I have always believed that the threat of international opprobrium for FT & DRC is behind AVZ's silence tactics.
Have been more than critical of NF and BoD on many levels but not gonna call them out on this.
Happy for it to continue on the assumption that that is AVZ's plan.

My one worry is that we don't have the funds to stay the course, but that seems unlikely.
 
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Yep, will give it till end of March then probably start calling him out for siding with corruption.

I still remember the past few months waiting on the assumption that negotiations were happening.. then they cancelled our decrees and AVZ had nfi what was going on. Would not be surprised if nothing is still going on and we're still waiting for someone to talk to us.

Its Been A Long Time Waiting GIF
One other interesting point mentioned in the Half Yearly was that following the MoM's "irregular" ministerial decrees AVZ has responded only by letter - indicating that we likely haven't had any direct engagement with the MoM to respond by the time of writing. This supposition along with our blindsiding when we heard about these suggests its not just FT we struggle to get direct meetings with.

Hopefully we are engaging now in these supposed negotiations we're currently involved in mentioned in the email posted here, but our active and ongoing talks with the highest levels of DRC government always touted in our ASX announcements don't appear to have had much grounding. Unless something changed or im mistaken we don't appear to have had any high level talks at ministerial level upwards referenced since the second meeting with FT in mid 2022.
 
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I for one would be very concerned if indeed we are relying on the conclusion of the ICC cases to proceed with the project launch, with ML/FID and thus construction awaiting this closure. I just can't see the DRC government accepting that delay given the strategic nature of the project and FT's trumpeting to the heavens of his EV battery development plans. Following the verbiage released in the latest ministerial decrees about the project being held hostage due to the ownership disputes within Dathcom, this shot-across-the-bow was I think setting up the grounds for a potential outright stripping of the licence by the authorities in the national interest, should this look like it will drag on for an extended period without resolution. Or at least the government trying to promote some path forward, with a warning attached to reinforce the message.

Hopefully IMO we can at least use the likely outcomes of the ICC cases as the basis for a negotiated settlement that can move us all forward which, whilst unappealing, would at least reduce the likelihood of an outright AVZ collapse. Yes this may all be part of the Chinese plan, pushing us towards a deal as the lesser of two evils (which they are very good at), though the risk of a negative outcome for AVZ remains real. I dont really buy into the claim that the DRC won't dare oust us due to the message this would send to the wider international investment community. If they feel they need to in order to get the project moving, they will, and can present their national interest justifications until the furore dies down.

In any case I think we wouldn't necessarily be in a particularly bad position in a negotiation. We could probably reach an outcome which may satisfy most shareholders, paving the way to the resumption of Manono's development, though definitely not one that would please all here. I hope the email posted here that management were in the midst of negotiations is in fact the case, and that some sort of middle ground in weighted favor to AVZ could be found in the near term. Even though the government is largely at fault for our current predicament through its corrupt ministers supporting the hostile Chinese agenda, the wider government's 'patience' to leave Manono undeveloped probably also won't last forever, especially with those Chinese interests still being represented faithfully by the key actors we all know. FT doesn't seem in a rush to intervene either, so may be down to us.
Do you really think that if we reach an 'agreement' with these Chinese criminals that they will honour it.
Watertight. Yeah right.
 
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Do you really think that if we reach an 'agreement' with these Chinese criminals that they will honour it.
Watertight. Yeah right.
Perhaps, perhaps not. But alternatively, do you also think these Chinese criminals will just give up their efforts to be involved if Zijin's 15% isn't confirmed at ICC? That'll just be one avenue of attack, and no doubt we'll see ongoing efforts moving forward in that case to disrupt the Project to leverage either their involvement or to undermine ours. I dont like it, but to progress the project it might be better having them inside the tent pissing out, than us either no longer having the tent, or constantly battling streams of external piss during the tent's construction. To stretch a metaphor. I don't know, its just my opinion when taking a step back and looking at the possible outcomes.
 
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And I have always believed that the threat of international opprobrium for FT & DRC is behind AVZ's silence tactics.
Have been more than critical of NF and BoD on many levels but not gonna call them out on this.
Happy for it to continue on the assumption that that is AVZ's plan.

My one worry is that we don't have the funds to stay the course, but that seems unlikely.
Learnt a new word today

"Opprobrium"

Thanks for that
 
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Are any of the AVZ crew in Darwin at the moment?
 

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Are any of the AVZ crew in Darwin at the moment?
I'm in the Gibson Desert, just down the road. Drop past if ya want but it's a dry site mate, you will have to bring a few roadies smuggled in :LOL:
 
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#CHINESE_CONTRACT

Following the IGM's damning report, the PR05 decided to revisit the convention in order to rebalance things in favour of the DRC.

Let us congratulate the PR05 for this political courage and ask it to also find a definitive solution to the blocking of Lithium/Manono.



If the President has in fact decided to revisit this arrangement then at least it means there may be more chance of progress being made sooner.

I guess it just depends how far this "rebalancing in favour of the DRC" goes. I think the DRC should benefit from the project, but I also think AVZ should benefit from taking on the risk and investing huge $$$ to drill and define the resource as well as operating ethically and legally. Kasongo does mention #Chinese_contract but he also has seemed to become much more anti AVZ in the past few months. It is difficult to know what the DRC Government's intentions are.
 
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I'm in the Gibson Desert, just down the road. Drop past if ya want but it's a dry site mate, you will have to bring a few roadies smuggled in :LOL:
Quite happy sitting at a roof top bar waiting for the storm to hit. Just thought I'd throw it out there and see if there were any bites. Happy to buy
you a beer one day Jag.
 

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Learnt a new word today

"Opprobrium"

Thanks for that
You could show your mates in the pub how smart you are and use it a few times with a smile, while studying the skimpies behind the bar.

You might finish up with a free clarety. Just in case prepare to duck. ;)
 
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Perhaps, perhaps not. But alternatively, do you also think these Chinese criminals will just give up their efforts to be involved if Zijin's 15% isn't confirmed at ICC? That'll just be one avenue of attack, and no doubt we'll see ongoing efforts moving forward in that case to disrupt the Project to leverage either their involvement or to undermine ours. I dont like it, but to progress the project it might be better having them inside the tent pissing out, than us either no longer having the tent, or constantly battling streams of external piss during the tent's construction. To stretch a metaphor. I don't know, its just my opinion when taking a step back and looking at the possible outcomes.
When CATH get their 24% chinese ownership will be well over 30%. I dont know if the other chinese investors would like zijin playing these games when their profits and products are on the line.
 
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