AVZ Discussion 2022

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Thanks for the feedback Sammy, I had trouble getting the English translation and could only get the text in French.

As it is Serge who is saying they’re finalising the documentation for Manono SEZ, that’s very positive imo.
Try desktop site if your on mobile. Then sometimes you have to click the subtitles thing twice to get English to show up.

I watched it on my phone and if you have YouTube on in your mobile data you can watch the link on YouTube…. Hit CC for captions and then click on the cog wheel in the top right corner, then captions, then translate from French to English

Now I’m off for the weekend…. Hope you have a good weekend and enjoy the time off from having to work @John25
 
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Thanks. When ICC was first mentioned not that long after AVZ went into voluntary suspension (yes Tommy voluntarily you dickhead) I researched expected timelines for a cases similar to what AVZ is handling and the average was 18 months.

Yes cases can be dismissed on lack of merit and be withdrawn and terminated for a number of reasons, however from start to finish 18 months seems the norm.

I suspect the 2024 comment in the AVZ update and supporting words around AVZ waiting for things to be sorted in the ICC will seriously put the wind up the DRC and Felix.

I’ve said to a few here offline for months that I believe the ICC is our endgame, if all else fails.

However, waiting for an ICC case where AVZ vs DRC won’t work out very well for the DRC and the bullshit dreams Felix spreads via every speech, every week, everywhere, (he should get an Oscar too) of being a battery manufacturing hub for the world is embarrassing. Felix looks more like a fool each day the Manono opportunity goes by and is wasted.

So to answer your question in short, I think so, yes. And also because 18 is the usual timeline to complete an ICC case.

Cheers The Fox 🦊
I for one would be very concerned if indeed we are relying on the conclusion of the ICC cases to proceed with the project launch, with ML/FID and thus construction awaiting this closure. I just can't see the DRC government accepting that delay given the strategic nature of the project and FT's trumpeting to the heavens of his EV battery development plans. Following the verbiage released in the latest ministerial decrees about the project being held hostage due to the ownership disputes within Dathcom, this shot-across-the-bow was I think setting up the grounds for a potential outright stripping of the licence by the authorities in the national interest, should this look like it will drag on for an extended period without resolution. Or at least the government trying to promote some path forward, with a warning attached to reinforce the message.

Hopefully IMO we can at least use the likely outcomes of the ICC cases as the basis for a negotiated settlement that can move us all forward which, whilst unappealing, would at least reduce the likelihood of an outright AVZ collapse. Yes this may all be part of the Chinese plan, pushing us towards a deal as the lesser of two evils (which they are very good at), though the risk of a negative outcome for AVZ remains real. I dont really buy into the claim that the DRC won't dare oust us due to the message this would send to the wider international investment community. If they feel they need to in order to get the project moving, they will, and can present their national interest justifications until the furore dies down.

In any case I think we wouldn't necessarily be in a particularly bad position in a negotiation. We could probably reach an outcome which may satisfy most shareholders, paving the way to the resumption of Manono's development, though definitely not one that would please all here. I hope the email posted here that management were in the midst of negotiations is in fact the case, and that some sort of middle ground in weighted favor to AVZ could be found in the near term. Even though the government is largely at fault for our current predicament through its corrupt ministers supporting the hostile Chinese agenda, the wider government's 'patience' to leave Manono undeveloped probably also won't last forever, especially with those Chinese interests still being represented faithfully by the key actors we all know. FT doesn't seem in a rush to intervene either, so may be down to us.
 
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What does this mean?
@Sammael - is it you that does great language translations of imaged text. Please share the App/process you use.
Thanks and br Sparrowhawk
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Hi @Sparrowhawk12 it's just Google lens on my phone. A screenshot of the translated image.
 
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The money was paid directly into Dathomir's bank account between the 16th and the 25th of August 2021. I'd imagine the escrow is being held by AVZ's lawyers or an independent third party lawyer and they were the ones that transferred it to Dathomir. Probs why that transaction was redacted in the interview with Christian Lukusa.

Dathomir returning the money to the account it came from is in itself acknowledgment of receiving the payment. I doubt it was Cong that organised the transfer to himself less than one month before the 12 month deadline for the second 10% agreement only to send it back around a week later. If he did he is even more cooked than I thought. More likely this was the final step of the contract obligation and Cong sent it back because he realised this meant the deal was complete imo

Cong's main argument is that he cancelled the agreements in May 2021 before he received the money. AVZ's argument is that we completed the transactions within the time frame by paying Dathomir into their nominated account. I'm not sure if that is the escrow or the bank account but I reckon we would have seen the escrow bank statement rather than Dathomir's bank statement in the video if that was how it was meant to be paid.

The next documents shown in the interview video appear to be an EGM confirmation for Dathomir regarding the contract for the 10% deal signed by Cong and the notary deed confirming this transaction is 'the expression of Dathomir's will'. The notary deed is crucial in contact law as it leaves no doubt that the party intended to be bound by the contract.

The EGM confirmation of the contract doesn't specify an account to be paid but it confirms that the agreement was signed on September 16th 2020 and that the transfer of the 10% of Dathcom to AVZ will be done on the 'date of execution'. AVZ's Q3 2021 quarterly is the first mention I can find of AVZ having completed the acquition of the 15% from Dathomir and holding 75% of Dathcom which management say was completed in August 2021.

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Well you seem a lot more on top of it that I am, I'm only coming to assumptions based on what Nigel said.
Should have stopped listening to him years ago tbh.
 
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Most tweets have a translate option, it’s my only hope :)
 
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When you click on that link in your post now Carlos, a YouTube clip of Mills Tshibangu comes on…. He he is one of the Twitter posters who have been criticising (if not trying to undermine) AVZ.

He is giving AVZ a right if reply via Christian Lukusa and it seems our attorney is doing a good job presenting the facts!

Getting a bit tired of watching all the translated sub titles but excellent to see Marius’s interviews being followed up by Lukusa’s

@Spikerama it looks like it would be an excellent time to post AVZ’s achievements to back up these interviews and just focus any criticism on Cominiere, Zigin and Dathomir’s illegal actions

Christian also mentioning how much money the DRC is losing every day by CAMI not granting our ML so obviously that moving graph of yours is an excellent reminder

Nice to see our representatives in the DRC doing a good job….

At the end Mills Tshibangu says the President is following this file and then Mills goes on to give praise to the MoP

A lot of people want justice, I’ll be happy if Felix gives us full ownership and the ML, but no doubt there’ll be others that won’t be happy until she goes…. Shareholder’s need to be realistic, it might not happen

Mills goes on to say that Felix wants further negotiations because he wants the DRC to get more out of it…. so hopefully we won’t get the continued winging about Nigel and the BOD when it’s obvious it’s the DRC politicians that are fucking us around

Fucken quiet in here tonight
When you click on that link in your post now Carlos, a YouTube clip of Mills Tshibangu comes on…. He he is one of the Twitter posters who have been criticising (if not trying to undermine) AVZ.

He is giving AVZ a right if reply via Christian Lukusa and it seems our attorney is doing a good job presenting the facts!

Getting a bit tired of watching all the translated sub titles but excellent to see Marius’s interviews being followed up by Lukusa’s

@Spikerama it looks like it would be an excellent time to post AVZ’s achievements to back up these interviews and just focus any criticism on Cominiere, Zigin and Dathomir’s illegal actions

Christian also mentioning how much money the DRC is losing every day by CAMI not granting our ML so obviously that moving graph of yours is an excellent reminder

Nice to see our representatives in the DRC doing a good job….

At the end Mills Tshibangu says the President is following this file and then Mills goes on to give praise to the MoP

A lot of people want justice, I’ll be happy if Felix gives us full ownership and the ML, but no doubt there’ll be others that won’t be happy until she goes…. Shareholder’s need to be realistic, it might not happen

Mills goes on to say that Felix wants further negotiations because he wants the DRC to get more out of it…. so hopefully we won’t get the continued winging about Nigel and the BOD when it’s obvious it’s the DRC politicians that are fucking us around

Fucken quiet in here tonight

Just had another look at that video I watched last night from Carlos's post and realised it was actually a right of reply interview with Christian Lukusa from 21/02/2023 so it was over a month ago and before the recent two Marius interviews.... It does at least tell us that Felix is well aware of our file

Fuck I hate wasting my time on fucken bullshit, especially when I want time off here
 
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Fuck it, seeing how I've got fucken started on here this morning....

Here's a new list of our achievements in a different format with a few additional points added for those slow learners in the DRC to think about, hope this helps @Spikerama @TDITD and others on Twitter with their campaign


Over the last 6 years in the DRC AVZ Minerals has carried out

Soil Sampling
Field Mapping
Consulting
Drilling
Metallurgical Testing
A FEED Study

Securing a renewable 25-year lease on an Industrial Site
- For logistics activities related to an intermodal staging station
- Responsible for the commercial and operational management logistics
- Including road haulage, rail and port services and infrastructure maintenance
- Rehabilitation of the road from Manono

An Environmental Study and Impact Assessment Reports including
- 7 ESIA's and Groundwater Management

A 160-page Definitive Feasibility Study
- Received DFS Technical Approval

A SEZ Agreement
Tendering for Mining Infrastructure
Presenting at the Battery Minerals Conference
Legally Obtaining and Paying for an Increased Share of Dathcom
Legally Fulfilling all Requirements to Obtain the Mining License
Receiving the Ministerial Decree to Award the Mining License
Spending millions of dollars and Supporting the Local Community

Proving Financial Capability including
- Raising Capital
- Negotiating Funding with Pan African DFI’s
- Arranging funding and Offtake Agreements with CATH
- Obtaining Several Offtake Agreements for both Lithium and Tin

Producing an 85-page Sustainability Report committed to
- Environmental and Social Governance (ESG)
- Socio - economic benefits
- Preserving environmental values
- Providing a transparent and ethical supply chain
- Ending poverty
- Improving health and education
- Reducing inequality
- Contributing to economic growth
- Minimising greenhouse gas emissions
- Preserving biodiversity
- Restoring the Mpiana Mwanga Power Plant
- Supplying energy to local communities
- Making a positive contribution to the lives of people in the region
- Including direct and indirect employment opportunities
- Leaving a positive legacy for future generations
- Maintaining a strong sense of loyalty


That's quite a list of achievements against Cominiere, Dathomir and Zigin who have all done nothing except try to usurp, sabotage and undermine Dathcom's project
 
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Hope sticking info in the Half Yearly Report and announcing it close to bedtime was not what they are talking about . Surely more to it if management are busy negotiating .
 
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Fuck it, seeing how I've got fucken started on here this morning....

Here's a new list of our achievements in a different format with a few additional points added for those slow learners in the DRC to think about, hope this helps @Spikerama @TDITD and others on Twitter with their campaign


Over the last 6 years in the DRC AVZ Minerals has carried out

Soil Sampling
Field Mapping
Consulting
Drilling
Metallurgical Testing
A FEED Study

Securing a renewable 25-year lease on an Industrial Site
- For logistics activities related to an intermodal staging station
- Responsible for the commercial and operational management logistics
- Including road haulage, rail and port services and infrastructure maintenance
- Rehabilitation of the road from Manono

An Environmental Study and Impact Assessment Reports including
- 7 ESIA's and Groundwater Management

A 160-page Definitive Feasibility Study
- Received DFS Technical Approval

A SEZ Agreement
Tendering for Mining Infrastructure
Presenting at the Battery Minerals Conference
Legally Obtaining and Paying for an Increased Share of Dathcom
Legally Fulfilling all Requirements to Obtain the Mining License
Receiving the Ministerial Decree to Award the Mining License
Spending millions of dollars and Supporting the Local Community

Proving Financial Capability including
- Raising Capital
- Negotiating Funding with Pan African DFI’s
- Arranging funding and Offtake Agreements with CATH
- Obtaining Several Offtake Agreements for both Lithium and Tin

Producing an 85-page Sustainability Report committed to
- Environmental and Social Governance (ESG)
- Socio - economic benefits
- Preserving environmental values
- Providing a transparent and ethical supply chain
- Ending poverty
- Improving health and education
- Reducing inequality
- Contributing to economic growth
- Minimising greenhouse gas emissions
- Preserving biodiversity
- Restoring the Mpiana Mwanga Power Plant
- Supplying energy to local communities
- Making a positive contribution to the lives of people in the region
- Including direct and indirect employment opportunities
- Leaving a positive legacy for future generations
- Maintaining a strong sense of loyalty


That's quite a list of achievements against Cominiere, Dathomir and Zigin who have all done nothing except try to usurp, sabotage and undermine Dathcom's project
Good list @MoneyBags1348
Perhaps might be a bit more effective in French to put on twitter?
If you feel like doing the hard yards I find a good process is to translate to French and then back to English to make sure it still makes sense, if not it then needs to be adjusted until it does. I'm only saying that because I cbf doing it myself right now & maybe you can't either... anyway. :LOL:
I have a few posts on twitter and they're generally liked by a few shareholders, the real achievement is when some Congolese start liking the tweets and respond or retweet.
 
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Can you imagine if you were having a few after workies and saw this prick at the bar!?
Tommy would be easy to spot in the bar

He'd be the one having a fruity cocktail with an umbrella in it....
 
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Thanks for the translation - I had a quick look over it without translating and assumed the MoM had been seized, in fact Jules was only seizing her attention to the report.
Yeah got to watch the translation from French, it's easy to misinterpret sometimes and particularly in brief posts on twitter.
 
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Tommy would be easy to spot in the bar

He'd be the one having a fruity cocktail with an umbrella in it....
And eyeing off other men's arses.
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Seriously with the name "Dijon" you can't speak French!!!

Sacre Bleu!
 
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#CHINESE_CONTRACT

Following the IGM's damning report, the PR05 decided to revisit the convention in order to rebalance things in favour of the DRC.

Let us congratulate the PR05 for this political courage and ask it to also find a definitive solution to the blocking of Lithium/Manono.

 
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Message for Felix.

Dear Felix, the current strategy AVZ is forced to take looks solid considering the limited cards we can play. AVZ sitting on the Manono resource and controlling interest in Dathcom, so let the ICC cases roll on if thats what you want Felix? Everyone knows you cannot just kick out AVZ, no chance.

So Felix, the ball is in your court, you can force the Chinese crooks and corrupt DRC Gov officials and CAMI officials to capitulate in favour of AVZ, or nobody wins for a long long time and AVZ wins big at the end of the day at the ICC, sitting opposite DRC lawyers sometime down the road.

So what, AVZ misses the first few years of Lithium take up, big deal, only another 30 years of massive increase and demand to follow. Take your time Felix, import lithium from Zimbabwe if you like to support your vision of a battery manufacturing nation, laugh, cough, laugh, sorry it's a reflex issue I have to bullshit. Or you can do the right thing.

How much of a dick will you look like if "your" battery manufacturing vision including supplying lithium has to come from a neighbouring country Felix?

IMO, AVZ has a siege in place around Manono. The corrupt can't starve us out, we will survive and the crooks and bad actors will fail in the end.

Every day the awareness of AVZ and their plight increases in the DRC and globally, this cluster fuck in your Government and Portfolio Companies will soon get away from you Felix and be a significant embarrassment for you, including your family ties into CAMI.

Good luck getting the votes in December Felix with the AVZ issue unresolved. How much support from the ADB, IMF, EU and US will there be for you if you let the Chinese and corrupt Ministers and Gov agents run all over an Aussie company that has done all the work at Manono?

Don't be a weak prick Felix, take a hit from internal support from corrupt Ministers and do the right thing, otherwise you will be out the gate and the US and EU will support an alternate President.

Cheers The Fox 🦊

*Ditto Bro, Well said, I concur, as

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The return to parliament in March marks the twilight of five years at the People's Palace.

It is time for the balance sheet for each of the agents for this five-year term.


Parliamentary vacations were an opportunity for elected members of this legislature to feel the pulse of their loved ones to ensure that they were always on the same wavelength.

However, while some of the deputies have been able to prepare their holiday reports, others know that they are hated by their constituents for not having brought the grievances of their respective bases to the hemicycle of the People's Palace.

They have no report to present.

They worked for their own interests regardless of their mandates.

These populations no longer recognize themselves in their representatives.

Faced with uncertainty, the latter pray that the elections do not take place and that the idea of dialogue supported by a fringe of politicians can make progress.

In this, they will be able to benefit from a new political reprieve which will allow them to maintain the financial health acquired during this five-year period which, one thing leading to another, is coming to an end.

They had never imagined that after five years, their mandate would be called into question.

Those who have spared their grind, are ready to face the deadlines of 2023.

In the meantime, the Independent National Electoral Commission is working hard to win the bet of holding the next electoral contests in the Democratic Republic of Congo within the constitutional deadline.

For this, Denis Kadima Kazadi expressed his point of view on the UNDP report published in 2022 estimating that a shift in the electoral calendar of several months for technical reasons is now a probable scenario.

He is pleased that none of these scenarios are coming to fruition and to conclude: "I can't wait to finish with the elections".

Supporters of dialogue do not stop discrediting the ongoing electoral process.

This, despite the total of 34,445,251 Congolese, or 70% of the expected number, already enrolled by the Independent National Electoral Commission as part of the operation to review the electoral register for the holding of elections in December 2023.

The presidents of two chambers of parliament have called on the government to table the bill relating to the distribution of seats before the end of this March parliamentary session.

This, in order to allow its examination and adoption by the two chambers in good time.

All signals indicate that the 2023 elections will indeed take place in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

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Presidential 2023: the Dynamics of political and community leaders of the Grande Orientale makes 235 million FC available for the candidacy of Félix Tshisekedi

The President of the Republic, Félix Tshisekedi, received, on Wednesday March 15, 2023, the donation of two hundred and thirty-five million Congolese francs from the deposit for his presidential candidacy in 2023.


It was during an audience he granted to representatives of the Dynamics of Political and Community Leaders of the Grande Orientale.

During the exchanges, these nationals of the provinces of Haut-Uélé, Bas-Uélé, Ituri and Tshopo presented to the Head of State some problems related to the development of the Grande Orientale, including security, infrastructure and some economic aspects.

To these hosts indicates the presidential press, President Tshisekedi presented and explained the Development Program of 145 territories which he considers as the solution to the various problems mentioned.

It should be remembered that during the political forum held in Kinshasa, the Dynamics of political and community leaders of the Grande Orientale had imitated a fundraiser to support the candidacy of Felix Tshisekedi for the presidential election next December.


Elections 2023, Matata-Fayulu-Katumbi: Are we going to a coalition?

Are we going to a political coalition between Matata Ponyo, Martin Fayulu and Moïse Katumbi?

This question is worth his weight in gold.

Since, as the electoral jousts approaches, the political protagonists come together to hope for the final victory.

This Saturday, March 11, 2023, the Congolese opposition succeeded in its bet.

More than 15 km on foot to denounce the unfair aggression of the Democratic Republic of Congo by Rwanda, which continues to operate under the cover of the M23, and say no to any plan aimed at the country's Balkanization.

The leadership and governance political parties for development (LGD), commitment to citizenship and development (ECIDE) and together for the Republic, worked in Kinshasa.

For a first, Matata Ponyo Mapon (LGD) walked alongside his opposition compatriots including Martin Fayulu Madidi (Ecide), the senior overall executives for the Republic, representatives of Moïse de Katumbi on tour in the Congo deep , and even, Seth Kikuni, one of the unhappy presidential candidates of 2018.

A few months before the next electoral games, such a rapprochement is anything but a coincidence of the calendar.

Absolutely not. Hold !

A coalition is obviously no longer to be excluded between these opposition cadors who hold a bite, as they have confessed, to block the road to a second term of President Félix Tshisekedi.

They require strict compliance with the constitutional period, regardless of circumstances.

They believe that insecurity in the east of the country should in no way be brandished as a pretext that can cause a shift.

Martin Fayulu, president of the Ecide, wanted to recall him last week through a message broadcast on his Twitter account.

By the same channel, Seth Kikuni said no to an additional time at the current diet after December.

The party of Moses Katumbi, together for the Republic, hung the same trumpet after meeting in Kinshasa, still last week, for an assessment of the country's current situation.

Meanwhile, Adolphe Muzito, president of the new Elan, has not yet said his last word.

Will he join the views of Fayulu and Katumbi, his former allies within Lamuka?

Will he reach out to Félix Tshisekedi knowing that he is looking for one more mandate?

He will undoubtedly say it when the time comes.

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Use setttings - undertitles - translate to get English undertitles.
DRC wants their pound of flesh from China, discusses in te beginning.
At about 25 mins discussion about SEZ for precursor for batteries material signing later this month.
 
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#CONTRAT_CHINOIS Following the damning report of the IGF, the PR05 decides to revisit the convention in order to rebalance things in favor of the DRC. We congratulate the PR05 for this political courage and ask it to also find a definitive solution to the blocking of Lithium/Manono.
 
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