Thanks Carlos, what date was this document?
I am trying to correlate that with the ASX announcement which I cannot find.
AVZ Discussion 2022
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I am trying to correlate that with the ASX announcement which I cannot find.
AVZ Discussion 2022
Well I’m about 25min in so far and I’m impressed…. Tough crowd
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13th of feb? around there
John25
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You beat me too it Nut …exactly
Why should 99% of SH’s be informed by a selected few …Good Leadership comes with responsibility like …Accountability /Communication /Transparency & Trust …Sorry but no one is going to follow you if in yourself you seem not to know whats happening
Whats wrong with announcements that so & so is in the DRC to attend such meetings with whom …no real detail needed but as most of us dont seem to be privy of basic information …just plain old guess work but honestly how hard would that be to keep SH’s informed of events /meetings
Its nice to see certain SH’s in the so called inner circle ,playing golf or knowing the where abouts of Leadership & expect the rest of us to meander along for months clueless of what is actually happening
Basic PR with Manono citizens …regular pics of campsite /progress in town activities ,if our leadership is in town they should be proactive with the local community .Our MD /BoD are paid well for being away from home ,in fact they signed up for the gig KNOWING
These are the OFFICIAL ASX announcements for February...AVZAVZ Discussion 2022
Well I’m about 25min in so far and I’m impressed…. Tough crowd
13th of feb? around there
a) 6/2...............ISSUE OF 2 NEW MINISTERIAL DECREES ( harmony bullshit , no mention of court case with Cominiere dropped )
b) 10/2............CLARIFICATION on SUSPENSION AND AFR ARTICLES ( Talking about inaccurate info about Marius, no mention of court case with Cominiere dropped )
c) 28/2...........EXTENSION OF SUSPENSION...............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
28/2...........FURTHER POSITIVE RESULTS FOR RD...........Good, but who gives a fuck right now...
28/2...........EXTENSION OF TIA WITH CATH............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
So a court case dropped with Cominiere regards to 15% ROFR ( worth multi , multi, multi millions ) not worthy or price sensitive enough to mention ?
Thank god for the amazing sleuths at TSE to provide a bit of truth !!!
FFS
These are the OFFICIAL ASX announcements for February...AVZ
a) 6/2...............ISSUE OF 2 NEW MINISTERIAL DECREES ( harmony bullshit , no mention of court case with Cominiere dropped )
b) 10/2............CLARIFICATION on SUSPENSION AND AFR ARTICLES ( Talking about inaccurate info about Marius, no mention of court case with Cominiere dropped )
c) 28/2...........EXTENSION OF SUSPENSION...............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
28/2...........FURTHER POSITIVE RESULTS FOR RD...........Good, but who gives a fuck right now...
28/2...........EXTENSION OF TIA WITH CATH............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
So a court case dropped with Cominiere regards to 15% ROFR ( worth multi , multi, multi millions ) not worthy or price sensitive enough to mention ?
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Thank god for the amazing sleuths at TSE to provide a bit of truth !!!
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what court case?
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The date of the judgement was February 7thAVZ Discussion 2022
Well I’m about 25min in so far and I’m impressed…. Tough crowd
13th of feb? around there
obe wan
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Obviously Management would have preferred to had this all closed off by now and back trading , but apparently AVZ, though disappointed to have to go through the process , are happy enough to run it to ICC if that’s what it takes ; legally they feel comfortable; some will recall at the RS that NF said that he was happy to hear from some shareholders that they were happy to / prepared to wait it out and see it going to ICC.
Obviously it’s a pain in the ass as it’s become a very lengthy and drawn out affair ; Zijin I reckon would have hoped that they would have pressurised AVZ into getting them to the table long before now , by firing the ICC ‘rubber bullet’ over the bow ;it hasn't happened , last I heard , AVZ weren’t even communicating with Zijin ,as they considered it was an issue between Cominiere and Zijin , not between Zijin and AVZ even though Zijin tried to stoke something that way…. and on the other side AVZ against Cominiere for not keeping within the lines of the ROFR, We’ve seen this cases between Cominiere has been mutually withdrawn ; the Zijin V AVZ is abit of a head scratch but how and ever Zijin have called it . Hopefully the case being dropped is a hint that they are working through this
I doubt Zijin would fancy their chances at ICC tbh ; I reckon DRC would also prefer for this thing to now track away from the ICC main event , as an incrimination ball will start to roll gathering a host of individuals on its path, hence likely one of the reasons this revoking of decree and ‘to the table’ happened.
AVZ don’t consider the Zijin affaire relevant to decision of ML ; but MoP is embroiled in the Zijin sale , as well as trying to randomly cut chunks off AVZs involvement in Dathcom through her involvement with DG Cami ; AJN , so shit is going to rise to the surface in any case even for those not directly involved in the Zijin thing.
If this was in 90% of other jurisdictions then it would be a straight to ICC ; just haul them to court ; but I reckon by now Management probably know that within the DRC there’s likely layers of corrupt individuals which will try leverage and force that ICC bus off the road ; may even get so desperate to even attempt a kamikaze move and knock the licence all together ; it’s possibly in our best interest ( if that’s what management are currently feeling) , to negotiate to some sort of agreement ; personally I can’t see Zijin getting jack shite ; I can probably see us getting the 15% ; but paying a heavy price for it and a price which will likely included and value equivalent to what Zijin reckon they paid cominiere , which will be fist-passed back to Zijin ; a couple of condition thrown in I.e no legal action towards any party afterwards ; performance conditions relevant to the north also table.
Long winded answer to your question
so also in short yes , I think it’s better and Management likely know it’s better to have it all sorted this month and back trading , avoiding ICC so spotlight drops off from some corrupt government officals and from there FT can take whatever action he wishes ( or not ) out of the spotlight.Something else we forget is this OMNI class action shit ; I think we’ve gone through enough for now ; this class action is best avoided at this stage …. Last date to register is 28th of March ; I reckon that was a desperate plan to disrupt further … will it happen .. well I’m not sure they’d get the numbers at this stage considering we are likely at the pointy end of things … who aroused this case ? It’s likely an opportunist revenue attempt by OMNI , I don’t think it will float but best avoided in any case .
obe wan
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@Flight966 , It will be interesting to see if this does in fact make it to ICC ; Zijin burning up DRC ministerial officials won't do them a lot of good down the track ; they need to avoid that. The contents will be publically available.
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Cheers. Would be great to see the finish line in clear sight before the next extension .Obviously Management would have preferred to had this all closed off by now and back trading , but apparently AVZ, though disappointed to have to go through the process , are happy enough to run it to ICC if that’s what it takes ; legally they feel comfortable; some will recall at the RS that NF said that he was happy to hear from some shareholders that they were happy to / prepared to wait it out and see it going to ICC.
Obviously it’s a pain in the ass as it’s become a very lengthy and drawn out affair ; Zijin I reckon would have hoped that they would have pressurised AVZ into getting them to the table long before now , by firing the ICC ‘rubber bullet’ over the bow ;it hasn't happened , last I heard , AVZ weren’t even communicating with Zijin ,as they considered it was an issue between Cominiere and Zijin , not between Zijin and AVZ even though Zijin tried to stoke something that way…. and on the other side AVZ against Cominiere for not keeping within the lines of the ROFR, We’ve seen this cases between Cominiere has been mutually withdrawn ; the Zijin V AVZ is abit of a head scratch but how and ever Zijin have called it . Hopefully the case being dropped is a hint that they are working through this
I doubt Zijin would fancy their chances at ICC tbh ; I reckon DRC would also prefer for this thing to now track away from the ICC main event , as an incrimination ball will start to roll gathering a host of individuals on its path, hence likely one of the reasons this revoking of decree and ‘to the table’ happened.
AVZ don’t consider the Zijin affaire relevant to decision of ML ; but MoP is embroiled in the Zijin sale , as well as trying to randomly cut chunks off AVZs involvement in Dathcom through her involvement with DG Cami ; AJN , so shit is going to rise to the surface in any case even for those not directly involved in the Zijin thing.
If this was in 90% of other jurisdictions then it would be a straight to ICC ; just haul them to court ; but I reckon by now Management probably know that within the DRC there’s likely layers of corrupt individuals which will try leverage and force that ICC bus off the road ; may even get so desperate to even attempt a kamikaze move and knock the licence all together ; it’s possibly in our best interest ( if that’s what management are currently feeling) , to negotiate to some sort of agreement ; personally I can’t see Zijin getting jack shite ; I can probably see us getting the 15% ; but paying a heavy price for it and a price which will likely included and value equivalent to what Zijin reckon they paid cominiere , which will be fist-passed back to Zijin ; a couple of condition thrown in I.e no legal action towards any party afterwards ; performance conditions relevant to the north also table.
Long winded answer to your question
Something else we forget is this OMNI class action shit ; I think we’ve gone through enough for now ; this class action is best avoided at this stage …. Last date to register is 28th of March ; I reckon that was a desperate plan to disrupt further … will it happen .. well I’m not sure they’d get the numbers at this stage considering we are likely at the pointy end of things … who aroused this case ? It’s likely an opportunist revenue attempt by OMNI , I don’t think it will float but best avoided in any case .
Winenut
Go AVZ!
I knew a girl once that could balance balls on her head....
Apologies in advance for that one....
I believe that everything that Zijin and corrupt ministers have thrown at AVZ has and will continue to be countered in our favour….
1. MoP and Zijin tried to have AVZ booted from
Manono. Counter: IGF report confirms AVZ as legal owner of 60% minimum of Dathcom.
2. MoP tries to sell 15% of Dathcom to Zijin. Counter: IGF report confirms number of irregularities and doesn’t stand a chance at ICC.
3. CAMI splits tenement to try and give North to AJN. Later, Cominiere and Zijin try to do deal with North using Zijin’s illegal 15% last December. Counter. MoM issued decree to bring North and South back as one tenement. Bye bye Klaus.
4. Dathomir’s 15% will be settled at ICC.
5. MoP gives President unsigned report full of shite saying AVZ are speculators, don’t have finance etc. Counter. Marius does 2 interviews on TV and lays the boot into MoP and CAMI.
Taking forever but Zijin and corrupt officials are slowly running out of options.
1. MoP and Zijin tried to have AVZ booted from
Manono. Counter: IGF report confirms AVZ as legal owner of 60% minimum of Dathcom.
2. MoP tries to sell 15% of Dathcom to Zijin. Counter: IGF report confirms number of irregularities and doesn’t stand a chance at ICC.
3. CAMI splits tenement to try and give North to AJN. Later, Cominiere and Zijin try to do deal with North using Zijin’s illegal 15% last December. Counter. MoM issued decree to bring North and South back as one tenement. Bye bye Klaus.
4. Dathomir’s 15% will be settled at ICC.
5. MoP gives President unsigned report full of shite saying AVZ are speculators, don’t have finance etc. Counter. Marius does 2 interviews on TV and lays the boot into MoP and CAMI.
Taking forever but Zijin and corrupt officials are slowly running out of options.
Looking at the T20 as at 30 June on AVZ website, Huayou, Yibin and LP had 18%. Extra 60m by LP would take it to 20%. Even if there was major purchasing since then, way off anywhere 51% required. 690m vs 1.75b required.
Also added up all the nominee accounts. Assuming they are 100% Chinese (unlikely) that’s an extra 630m, so takes it to 1.32b, still 420m short. That’s the whole T8 and assuming all Chinese.
I can’t see it happening but never know what Chinese can get up to. Also, AVZ would be watching it like a hawk. I would love to see an American come in for an FU CR to dilute Chinese.
Also added up all the nominee accounts. Assuming they are 100% Chinese (unlikely) that’s an extra 630m, so takes it to 1.32b, still 420m short. That’s the whole T8 and assuming all Chinese.
I can’t see it happening but never know what Chinese can get up to. Also, AVZ would be watching it like a hawk. I would love to see an American come in for an FU CR to dilute Chinese.
"It's obvious that there will be significant selling on open "Ye indeed and agree, the road is now looking like a brixton Cul De Sac ; they’ve certainly had a good shot, now ; let's just see if logic prevails..but some times it's as if they don't care what others think...they ( MoP & CO ) act , as if they think people don't see what's going on...mind bending...its been corrupt for so long, that they seem to think it's just the done thing and people will just give them what they want,forget and get over it
The Chinese, imo failing 15%, North or the whole shooting match, they’ll continue to have a shot ; FIRB prevents TO ; but there's likely another angle that they are likely to mull over and there is potential opportunity considering the likely selldown on opening I.e cheap shares....a shot that can be taken if they can get their Chinese friends in the T20 together and that would be to accumulate more shares and turnover the the current board with a 51% holding of voting power ; I've noticed an increasing number of posters on the crapper, which I've never seen post before asking if anyone is looking to buy off market and these figures have been for 400k+ numbers ; also noticing a number of unknowns making off the cuff comments about management both on the crapper and here as of late ; it's to be expected considering the circumstances, but matched timing is obvious to me...lubing the mind of shareholders
It's obvious that there will be significant selling on open ,as many that will have been caught up in this shit will take a financial gasp ; ETFs etc exit, but the 10 months of Manono advertising will kick in as others will see the value...i also think we’ll have a few of our Chinese ‘friends’ enter the registery to build a gang position...as I've said before, I reckon good old Lithium Plus will come out of the bushes at some stage acting as a conduit for others ....Spod at mates rates back their Chinese counterparts...certainly wouldn't be looking after shareholders best interests imo
Certainly alot of jaded, stale longs could be out the door, but if alot went right for AVZ regards to minimum 51% control, retention of 100% CDL, ML granted ( fort knox documentation ), plus a release of that updated DFS which i am sure will be eye watering , plus a further update on the current RD drilling / assays..........there could be enough BULL in that basket to counter the BEAR.
Of course, a improved MACRO sentiment would also help the cause too.....
imo
I think it's safe to say the Chinese will never give up on securing Manono . They will try the blatantly corrupt and criminal way first . Failing that they will use a different tactic. IMOYe indeed and agree, the road is now looking like a brixton Cul De Sac ; they’ve certainly had a good shot, now ; let's just see if logic prevails..but some times it's as if they don't care what others think...they ( MoP & CO ) act , as if they think people don't see what's going on...mind bending
The Chinese, imo failing 15%, North or the whole shooting match, they’ll continue to have a shot ; FIRB prevents TO ; but there's likely another angle that they are likely to mull over and there is potential opportunity considering the likely selldown on opening I.e cheap shares....a shot that can be taken if they can get their Chinese friends in the T20 together and that would be to accumulate more shares and turnover the the current board with a 51% holding of voting power ; I've noticed an increasing number of posters on the crapper, which I've never seen post before asking if anyone is looking to buy off market and these figures have been for 400k+ numbers ; also noticing a few of these unknowns making off the cuff comments out management both on the crapper and here as of late ; it's to be expected considering the circumstances, but matched timing is obvious to me...lubing the mind of shareholders
It's obvious that there will be significant selling on open ,as many that will have been caught up in this shit will take a financial gasp ; ETFs etc exit, but the 10 months of Manono advertising will kick in as others will see the value...i also think we’ll have a few of our Chinese ‘friends’ enter the registery to build a gang position...as I've said before, I reckon good old Lithium Plus will come out of the bushes at some stage....Spod at mates rates back their Chinese counterparts...certainly wouldn't be looking after shareholders best interests imo
obe wan
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Totally agree ; sometimes enough is enough ; jaded and cash strapped will be first out the door ; BUT they need to consider ; that by May every retail punter will only be up for 25% CGT … considering resource size and how other poxy resources are probably at a higher MC than AVZ ; that unless you are totally cash strapped it may well be best holding position and waiting for the rebound … not financial advice by any means ;just something I’d personally consider"It's obvious that there will be significant selling on open "
Certainly alot of jaded, stale longs could be out the door, but if alot went right for AVZ regards to minimum 51% control, retention of 100% CDL, ML granted ( fort knox documentation ), plus a release of that updated DFS which i am sure will be eye watering , plus a further update on the current RD drilling / assays..........there could be enough BULL in that basket to counter the BEAR.
Of course, a improved MACRO sentiment would also help the cause too.....
imo
Winenut
Go AVZ!
Ye indeed and agree, the road is now looking like a brixton Cul De Sac ; they’ve certainly had a good shot, now ; let's just see if logic prevails..but some times it's as if they don't care what others think...they ( MoP & CO ) act , as if they think people don't see what's going on...mind bending
The Chinese, imo failing 15%, North or the whole shooting match, they’ll continue to have a shot ; FIRB prevents TO ; but there's likely another angle that they are likely to mull over and there is potential opportunity considering the likely selldown on opening I.e cheap shares....a shot that can be taken if they can get their Chinese friends in the T20 together and that would be to accumulate more shares and turnover the the current board with a 51% holding of voting power ; I've noticed an increasing number of posters on the crapper, which I've never seen post before asking if anyone is looking to buy off market and these figures have been for 400k+ numbers ; also noticing a number of unknowns making off the cuff comments about management both on the crapper and here as of late ; it's to be expected considering the circumstances, but matched timing is obvious to me...lubing the mind of shareholders
It's obvious that there will be significant selling on open ,as many that will have been caught up in this shit will take a financial gasp ; ETFs etc exit, but the 10 months of Manono advertising will kick in as others will see the value...i also think we’ll have a few of our Chinese ‘friends’ enter the registery to build a gang position...as I've said before, I reckon good old Lithium Plus will come out of the bushes at some stage acting as a conduit for others ....Spod at mates rates back their Chinese counterparts...certainly wouldn't be looking after shareholders best interests imo
Why are you posting possible opportunities for the Chinese AVZ Top 20 holders and their friends??
I've been crucified for much less
"a shot that can be taken if they can get their Chinese friends in the T20 together and that would be to accumulate more shares and turnover the the current board with a 51% holding of voting power"
We can't do a thing to stop that.....so why would you put it out there on the public forum if so many on this thread are concerned about giving away intel and information to those working against our interests????????????
Many times I've been told to pull my head in, shut the fuck up and have "private little convo's" and keep ideas and thoughts and strategies away from prying eyes
Talking up a sell down on open............a warning or prepping and lubing shareholders?
Nothing but opinions, conjecture and agenda on the thread for 10 months
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CashKing
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You crazy bro…. Like fuck management are going to provide an update on our situation…That’s just silly talk….
Better of asking the media buddy..
That’s how we get our info in this RAT FUCK COMPANY TWISTED SHIT SHOW….
GLTAH
Samus
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And drill results.
Fucken drill results!
Hopefully it's not the great drill results giveaway...
Fuck me congratulations of having the patience to actually write that .and thanks for informing me that in the last 3 years the nige has been in country 7 months of them . Oh well done. Hip hip what a wank.imo‘You can ask my women what they have to say in this connection’.... ‘Dick pictures’....
I'm pretty sure, you were also the first to run out of the hedge screaming ‘nigel isn't in the DRC’ when Marius said he was in Kinshasa and NF was ready to return to Kinshasa’ ... Nigel has been in DRC for around 3 weeks now; he was back in Oz for a short stint prior to that...where was he before that? ..he was in DRC; did you know, believe it or not, Nigel spent around 7 months in DRC last year too; sometimes I do have to pull my eyeballs back down into their correct position, as they flip to focus on the inside of the top of my skull when reading regurgitated statements ‘management should be in DRC’ / ‘Management are doing nothing ‘ ..... When the opposite is;where the truth is.
I think the case has been, that Management have strictly followed a hard legal path and by doing the right thing,that eventually they’d weather the corruption storm and break out the other end....this tact may indeed prove true, but corruption content has proved to be high within a system which they’ve tried to guide their way through and so it's proving to be a very drawn out process indeed.....
We know that AVZ have had several meetings between late June to November ; the conclusion of these meetings should have resulted in a summary report of these meeting....( anyone that was in attendance, at the road shows in early Novemeber would certainly have noticed NFs confidence that the ML was about to pop) ..what sort of reporting was served up, to be signed off in mid to late November? Answer a plate of shite, a report that was bias towards AVZ, it's contents excluded proposals of infrastruture investments and so forth ; AVZ declined go sign that report, as it was a false representation of their intents...did MoP expect AVZ to sign it on review..she’d obviously would have liked AVZ to have swallowed that pill, after 6 months of burning time, MoP had compiled an unsignable report which was to be submitted to the head of state...AVZ didn't sign; but we were still in stuck in MoPs wear them down with time plan; we were still stuck in the damp trenches and pushing forward by keeping quite and letting the legal system work it all out ; corrupt individuals and even more so, when supported by other corrupt individuals in a system, do not follow the law all the way down the track ; they will deviate from it in order to try and reach their goal; so there's a lot of one step forward and two steps back and visa versa, in how AVZ have been tracking.
Ministers are appointed for a reason; they’re the equivalent of any managerial team within any company ; they control various departments , as the CEO can't be expected to run each and every department by him/herself ; ministers are trusted with doing their jobs without the requirement for presidential intervention...problem is that now MoP has a red light on her head, and a number of other ministers, including the PM have fallen under the spotlight ; Felix was never going to come running through the door swinging the sword in the first few months ; remember meetings which were to be arranged between FT, Marius / AVZ we're effectively scuttled before dates were even penciled in by the distractors
FT trusted his ministers, the ICF report started to dismantle the MoP ; the unsigned summary report and reasons why it never arrive....who knows , maybe even why it had , but only arrive half baked ( without AVZ signature) but advised to read , is likely to have opened up some further kinks in her armour.
The MoM’s withdrawal of the decrees on the 6th of Feb -’urgency, harmonious, healthy cooperation’ has basically pulled the hand break on the long legal zombie walk. As Marius has said MoM, was not associated with the irregular sale of the 15%, she knew of the sale of the 15% but couldn't take any action due to ‘coordination problems’.
We know that the case against comminere was agreed to be withdraw by both AVZ and Cominiere at least from lumbumbashi court a week or two after the Feb 6th decree ; so fair call, (considering that management have also been in DRC for the bulk of the time between the decree and and now) , is that parties have come to the table to work towards a conclusion, from where id assume another report will be ( has been?) generated, but in this case it's not being selectively compiled by MoP; these discussions will be accounting how we have gotten to this point in time ; how things haven't moved along so smoothly.
I don’t think FT is anti AVZ, I do think that it would have been difficult for him to start countering decisions made by his ministers, as it would clearly point to dysfunction / corruption within a government led by him. Marius is respected with the DRC, him speaking publically on TV twice last week would have tenderised some of those feelings of respect apparently many within the public have towards MoM.
AVZ following the correct part ( maybe not as effective in DRC ), and followed the mining code to a tee ; Marius Mihigo and Christain Lukusa ( highly respected by FT) leading the way, but with highlighting grit which makes things a hell of a lot easier for FT to act on
AVZ were already in the DRC well before you lost your load on the footpath @Schemozzle. What day was the Marius Mihigo broadcast shot? Where in Kinshasa and when was the NF and JC ‘men in black’ shot taken? Some say a large meeting was scheduled the week before, only for the Macron visit which pushed things out....i wonder if a follow up visit happened.
politico pulling articles and a number of old AFR Avz related tweets getting deleted is also interesting FWIW
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