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Winenut

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I'm still waiting for some official announcement and guidance from management on what has happened/is happening with AVZ, Manono, The DRC Government, Felix, various ministers, Dathcom partners, relevant mining authorities and the various legal challenges and arbitrations

As a shareholder I shouldn't have to put up with reading social media and forum posts to try and get some idea of what's going on

I still have a genuine concern that some shareholders are either receiving privileged information or purporting to be "in the know" from sources closer to Management or AVZ's trusted advisors

I still genuinely appreciate the discussion and the sharing of thoughts and opinions but at the end of the day it's meaningless or at worst potentially "leak driven" with it's own inherent disclosure issues

Surely shareholders can be provided with something official without AVZ's position being completely compromised
 
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obe wan

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Thought for the week:

Do you prefer AVZ’s current position - refusing corruption and still no ML or join the corruption play and be caught sooner or later like A11?
I don’t think ‘join the corruption play’ is an option … that’s exactly one of the things the detractors would love for AVZ to do ; they haven’t been able to drop a corruption sticker on AVZs forehead after all this time ; but also within that time they themselves are being picked apart and being prove up well as being corrupt.

One can’t stop time and at some point, there will be a breaking point where all the wheels start to fall off and an ending is determined ; I think MoM and Marius Mihigo have added accelerant and the end is rapidly approaching with AVZ being able to remain totally above board , whilst MoPs plans come away at the seams .

There’s only so long a rolling act of corruption / theft can play out as people start to gain interest , progressively start to fixate on it up to a point where people start to ask how these individuals are getting away with this.

Marius , a person whom is highly respected by FT (we’ve seen a number of pictures where they have been in each others company) is asking the questions about MoP as well as GM CAMI ; so others will see this as what it is .

Interesting that MoP didn’t appear in teams line up of the meeting of the ministers on Friday gone . Heard somewhere that she maybe repositioned as Governor of Lualaba which is where she is original from … that Would be interesting ; Luababa is her birth Provence which id say she has been given some benefit of the doubt because FT considers it an important electorate provence … so shipped to governor of there as opposed to other reprocussons may appease some … but to be honest I don’t know how true if at all, that rumour is
 
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Sorry Chilla for my ignorance...........:unsure:

But where did you get this info from ?

2. AVZ withdraw court action against Comminiere for the ROFR 15% sold to Z. Why do that now? What is the compromise being negotiated here?


And if indeed that is the case, then where does that leave the ICC arbitration case between Zijin v AVZ ?
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Rediah

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Initially when we went into suspension and came to know about Zijin etc, I thought we should have paid the DRC, given them the snacks to get our project moving, should have went to bed with Chinese.

But now, 10 months later, even doing the right thing we are still the ‘bad guys”.

Imagine what 2 cent Tommy and Boatman would have done to us had we bribed the DRC officials, how bad it would have looked in IGF report and through constant barrage of AFR articles and how easy it would have been for ICC, local NGO’s, MoP, MoM and FT etc. to kick us out of the country.

So, I am hoping that the good guys will win. 🙏
 
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CHB

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Thanks Carlos, what date was this document?

I am trying to correlate that with the ASX announcement which I cannot find.

13th of feb? around there
 
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John25

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I'm still waiting for some official announcement and guidance from management on what has happened/is happening with AVZ, Manono, The DRC Government, Felix, various ministers, Dathcom partners, relevant mining authorities and the various legal challenges and arbitrations

As a shareholder I shouldn't have to put up with reading social media and forum posts to try and get some idea of what's going on

I still have a genuine concern that some shareholders are either receiving privileged information or purporting to be "in the know" from sources closer to Management or AVZ's trusted advisors

I still genuinely appreciate the discussion and the sharing of thoughts and opinions but at the end of the day it's meaningless or at worst potentially "leak driven" with it's own inherent disclosure issues

Surely shareholders can be provided with something official without AVZ's position being completely compromised
You beat me too it Nut …exactly
Why should 99% of SH’s be informed by a selected few …Good Leadership comes with responsibility like …Accountability /Communication /Transparency & Trust …Sorry but no one is going to follow you if in yourself you seem not to know whats happening

Whats wrong with announcements that so & so is in the DRC to attend such meetings with whom …no real detail needed but as most of us dont seem to be privy of basic information …just plain old guess work but honestly how hard would that be to keep SH’s informed of events /meetings

Its nice to see certain SH’s in the so called inner circle ,playing golf or knowing the where abouts of Leadership & expect the rest of us to meander along for months clueless of what is actually happening

Basic PR with Manono citizens …regular pics of campsite /progress in town activities ,if our leadership is in town they should be proactive with the local community .Our MD /BoD are paid well for being away from home ,in fact they signed up for the gig KNOWING
 
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BEISHA

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13th of feb? around there
These are the OFFICIAL ASX announcements for February...AVZ

a) 6/2...............ISSUE OF 2 NEW MINISTERIAL DECREES ( harmony bullshit , no mention of court case with Cominiere dropped )

b) 10/2............CLARIFICATION on SUSPENSION AND AFR ARTICLES ( Talking about inaccurate info about Marius, no mention of court case with Cominiere dropped )

c) 28/2...........EXTENSION OF SUSPENSION...............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

28/2...........FURTHER POSITIVE RESULTS FOR RD...........Good, but who gives a fuck right now...;)

28/2...........EXTENSION OF TIA WITH CATH............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


So a court case dropped with Cominiere regards to 15% ROFR ( worth multi , multi, multi millions ) not worthy or price sensitive enough to mention ?


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Thank god for the amazing sleuths at TSE to provide a bit of truth !!!


FFS
 
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These are the OFFICIAL ASX announcements for February...AVZ

a) 6/2...............ISSUE OF 2 NEW MINISTERIAL DECREES ( harmony bullshit , no mention of court case with Cominiere dropped )

b) 10/2............CLARIFICATION on SUSPENSION AND AFR ARTICLES ( Talking about inaccurate info about Marius, no mention of court case with Cominiere dropped )

c) 28/2...........EXTENSION OF SUSPENSION...............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

28/2...........FURTHER POSITIVE RESULTS FOR RD...........Good, but who gives a fuck right now...;)

28/2...........EXTENSION OF TIA WITH CATH............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


So a court case dropped with Cominiere regards to 15% ROFR ( worth multi , multi, multi millions ) not worthy or price sensitive enough to mention ?


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Thank god for the amazing sleuths at TSE to provide a bit of truth !!!


FFS

what court case?

Awkward Bye Bye GIF by eUnited
 
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Thanks Carlos, what date was this document?

I am trying to correlate that with the ASX announcement which I cannot find.

13th of feb? around there
The date of the judgement was February 7th
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obe wan

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Would you agree this needs to get sorted before it gets to the ICC next month ?
Obviously Management would have preferred to had this all closed off by now and back trading , but apparently AVZ, though disappointed to have to go through the process , are happy enough to run it to ICC if that’s what it takes ; legally they feel comfortable; some will recall at the RS that NF said that he was happy to hear from some shareholders that they were happy to / prepared to wait it out and see it going to ICC.

Obviously it’s a pain in the ass as it’s become a very lengthy and drawn out affair ; Zijin I reckon would have hoped that they would have pressurised AVZ into getting them to the table long before now , by firing the ICC ‘rubber bullet’ over the bow ;it hasn't happened , last I heard , AVZ weren’t even communicating with Zijin ,as they considered it was an issue between Cominiere and Zijin , not between Zijin and AVZ even though Zijin tried to stoke something that way…. and on the other side AVZ against Cominiere for not keeping within the lines of the ROFR, We’ve seen this cases between Cominiere has been mutually withdrawn ; the Zijin V AVZ is abit of a head scratch but how and ever Zijin have called it . Hopefully the case being dropped is a hint that they are working through this

I doubt Zijin would fancy their chances at ICC tbh ; I reckon DRC would also prefer for this thing to now track away from the ICC main event , as an incrimination ball will start to roll gathering a host of individuals on its path, hence likely one of the reasons this revoking of decree and ‘to the table’ happened.

AVZ don’t consider the Zijin affaire relevant to decision of ML ; but MoP is embroiled in the Zijin sale , as well as trying to randomly cut chunks off AVZs involvement in Dathcom through her involvement with DG Cami ; AJN , so shit is going to rise to the surface in any case even for those not directly involved in the Zijin thing.

If this was in 90% of other jurisdictions then it would be a straight to ICC ; just haul them to court ; but I reckon by now Management probably know that within the DRC there’s likely layers of corrupt individuals which will try leverage and force that ICC bus off the road ; may even get so desperate to even attempt a kamikaze move and knock the licence all together ; it’s possibly in our best interest ( if that’s what management are currently feeling) , to negotiate to some sort of agreement ; personally I can’t see Zijin getting jack shite ; I can probably see us getting the 15% ; but paying a heavy price for it and a price which will likely included and value equivalent to what Zijin reckon they paid cominiere , which will be fist-passed back to Zijin ; a couple of condition thrown in I.e no legal action towards any party afterwards ; performance conditions relevant to the north also table.

Long winded answer to your question 🤣🤣 so also in short yes , I think it’s better and Management likely know it’s better to have it all sorted this month and back trading , avoiding ICC so spotlight drops off from some corrupt government officals and from there FT can take whatever action he wishes ( or not ) out of the spotlight.

Something else we forget is this OMNI class action shit ; I think we’ve gone through enough for now ; this class action is best avoided at this stage …. Last date to register is 28th of March ; I reckon that was a desperate plan to disrupt further … will it happen .. well I’m not sure they’d get the numbers at this stage considering we are likely at the pointy end of things … who aroused this case ? It’s likely an opportunist revenue attempt by OMNI , I don’t think it will float but best avoided in any case .
 
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Mate, that's a loaded question like: Would you prefer being stabbed or shot to death (I prefer option three)

Cheers
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@Flight966 , It will be interesting to see if this does in fact make it to ICC ; Zijin burning up DRC ministerial officials won't do them a lot of good down the track ; they need to avoid that. The contents will be publically available.

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wombat74

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Obviously Management would have preferred to had this all closed off by now and back trading , but apparently AVZ, though disappointed to have to go through the process , are happy enough to run it to ICC if that’s what it takes ; legally they feel comfortable; some will recall at the RS that NF said that he was happy to hear from some shareholders that they were happy to / prepared to wait it out and see it going to ICC.

Obviously it’s a pain in the ass as it’s become a very lengthy and drawn out affair ; Zijin I reckon would have hoped that they would have pressurised AVZ into getting them to the table long before now , by firing the ICC ‘rubber bullet’ over the bow ;it hasn't happened , last I heard , AVZ weren’t even communicating with Zijin ,as they considered it was an issue between Cominiere and Zijin , not between Zijin and AVZ even though Zijin tried to stoke something that way…. and on the other side AVZ against Cominiere for not keeping within the lines of the ROFR, We’ve seen this cases between Cominiere has been mutually withdrawn ; the Zijin V AVZ is abit of a head scratch but how and ever Zijin have called it . Hopefully the case being dropped is a hint that they are working through this

I doubt Zijin would fancy their chances at ICC tbh ; I reckon DRC would also prefer for this thing to now track away from the ICC main event , as an incrimination ball will start to roll gathering a host of individuals on its path, hence likely one of the reasons this revoking of decree and ‘to the table’ happened.

AVZ don’t consider the Zijin affaire relevant to decision of ML ; but MoP is embroiled in the Zijin sale , as well as trying to randomly cut chunks off AVZs involvement in Dathcom through her involvement with DG Cami ; AJN , so shit is going to rise to the surface in any case even for those not directly involved in the Zijin thing.

If this was in 90% of other jurisdictions then it would be a straight to ICC ; just haul them to court ; but I reckon by now Management probably know that within the DRC there’s likely layers of corrupt individuals which will try leverage and force that ICC bus off the road ; may even get so desperate to even attempt a kamikaze move and knock the licence all together ; it’s possibly in our best interest ( if that’s what management are currently feeling) , to negotiate to some sort of agreement ; personally I can’t see Zijin getting jack shite ; I can probably see us getting the 15% ; but paying a heavy price for it and a price which will likely included and value equivalent to what Zijin reckon they paid cominiere , which will be fist-passed back to Zijin ; a couple of condition thrown in I.e no legal action towards any party afterwards ; performance conditions relevant to the north also table.

Long winded answer to your question 🤣🤣 so also in short yes , I think it’s better and Management likely know it’s better to have it all sorted this month and back trading , avoiding ICC so spotlight drops off from some corrupt government officals and from there FT can take whatever action he wishes ( or not ) out of the spotlight.

Something else we forget is this OMNI class action shit ; I think we’ve gone through enough for now ; this class action is best avoided at this stage …. Last date to register is 28th of March ; I reckon that was a desperate plan to disrupt further … will it happen .. well I’m not sure they’d get the numbers at this stage considering we are likely at the pointy end of things … who aroused this case ? It’s likely an opportunist revenue attempt by OMNI , I don’t think it will float but best avoided in any case .
Cheers. Would be great to see the finish line in clear sight before the next extension .
 
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Winenut

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Just before I change my password again and sign out…. Is the the best balancing trick you guys have seen in a while?

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I knew a girl once that could balance balls on her head....😲

Apologies in advance for that one....
 
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Dom1974

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I believe that everything that Zijin and corrupt ministers have thrown at AVZ has and will continue to be countered in our favour….

1. MoP and Zijin tried to have AVZ booted from
Manono. Counter: IGF report confirms AVZ as legal owner of 60% minimum of Dathcom.
2. MoP tries to sell 15% of Dathcom to Zijin. Counter: IGF report confirms number of irregularities and doesn’t stand a chance at ICC.
3. CAMI splits tenement to try and give North to AJN. Later, Cominiere and Zijin try to do deal with North using Zijin’s illegal 15% last December. Counter. MoM issued decree to bring North and South back as one tenement. Bye bye Klaus. 🖕
4. Dathomir’s 15% will be settled at ICC.
5. MoP gives President unsigned report full of shite saying AVZ are speculators, don’t have finance etc. Counter. Marius does 2 interviews on TV and lays the boot into MoP and CAMI.

Taking forever but Zijin and corrupt officials are slowly running out of options.
 
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Looking at the T20 as at 30 June on AVZ website, Huayou, Yibin and LP had 18%. Extra 60m by LP would take it to 20%. Even if there was major purchasing since then, way off anywhere 51% required. 690m vs 1.75b required.

Also added up all the nominee accounts. Assuming they are 100% Chinese (unlikely) that’s an extra 630m, so takes it to 1.32b, still 420m short. That’s the whole T8 and assuming all Chinese.

I can’t see it happening but never know what Chinese can get up to. Also, AVZ would be watching it like a hawk. I would love to see an American come in for an FU CR to dilute Chinese.
 
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Ye indeed and agree, the road is now looking like a brixton Cul De Sac ; they’ve certainly had a good shot, now ; let's just see if logic prevails..but some times it's as if they don't care what others think...they ( MoP & CO ) act , as if they think people don't see what's going on...mind bending 🥴...its been corrupt for so long, that they seem to think it's just the done thing and people will just give them what they want,forget and get over it

The Chinese, imo failing 15%, North or the whole shooting match, they’ll continue to have a shot ; FIRB prevents TO ; but there's likely another angle that they are likely to mull over and there is potential opportunity considering the likely selldown on opening I.e cheap shares....a shot that can be taken if they can get their Chinese friends in the T20 together and that would be to accumulate more shares and turnover the the current board with a 51% holding of voting power ; I've noticed an increasing number of posters on the crapper, which I've never seen post before asking if anyone is looking to buy off market and these figures have been for 400k+ numbers ; also noticing a number of unknowns making off the cuff comments about management both on the crapper and here as of late ; it's to be expected considering the circumstances, but matched timing is obvious to me...lubing the mind of shareholders

It's obvious that there will be significant selling on open ,as many that will have been caught up in this shit will take a financial gasp ; ETFs etc exit, but the 10 months of Manono advertising will kick in as others will see the value...i also think we’ll have a few of our Chinese ‘friends’ enter the registery to build a gang position...as I've said before, I reckon good old Lithium Plus will come out of the bushes at some stage acting as a conduit for others ....Spod at mates rates back their Chinese counterparts...certainly wouldn't be looking after shareholders best interests imo
"It's obvious that there will be significant selling on open "

Certainly alot of jaded, stale longs could be out the door, but if alot went right for AVZ regards to minimum 51% control, retention of 100% CDL, ML granted ( fort knox documentation ), plus a release of that updated DFS which i am sure will be eye watering , plus a further update on the current RD drilling / assays..........there could be enough BULL in that basket to counter the BEAR.

Of course, a improved MACRO sentiment would also help the cause too.....;)

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Ye indeed and agree, the road is now looking like a brixton Cul De Sac ; they’ve certainly had a good shot, now ; let's just see if logic prevails..but some times it's as if they don't care what others think...they ( MoP & CO ) act , as if they think people don't see what's going on...mind bending 🥴...its been corrupt for so long, that they seem to think it's just the done thing and people will just give them what they want,forget and get over it

The Chinese, imo failing 15%, North or the whole shooting match, they’ll continue to have a shot ; FIRB prevents TO ; but there's likely another angle that they are likely to mull over and there is potential opportunity considering the likely selldown on opening I.e cheap shares....a shot that can be taken if they can get their Chinese friends in the T20 together and that would be to accumulate more shares and turnover the the current board with a 51% holding of voting power ; I've noticed an increasing number of posters on the crapper, which I've never seen post before asking if anyone is looking to buy off market and these figures have been for 400k+ numbers ; also noticing a few of these unknowns making off the cuff comments out management both on the crapper and here as of late ; it's to be expected considering the circumstances, but matched timing is obvious to me...lubing the mind of shareholders

It's obvious that there will be significant selling on open ,as many that will have been caught up in this shit will take a financial gasp ; ETFs etc exit, but the 10 months of Manono advertising will kick in as others will see the value...i also think we’ll have a few of our Chinese ‘friends’ enter the registery to build a gang position...as I've said before, I reckon good old Lithium Plus will come out of the bushes at some stage....Spod at mates rates back their Chinese counterparts...certainly wouldn't be looking after shareholders best interests imo
I think it's safe to say the Chinese will never give up on securing Manono . They will try the blatantly corrupt and criminal way first . Failing that they will use a different tactic. IMO
 
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"It's obvious that there will be significant selling on open "

Certainly alot of jaded, stale longs could be out the door, but if alot went right for AVZ regards to minimum 51% control, retention of 100% CDL, ML granted ( fort knox documentation ), plus a release of that updated DFS which i am sure will be eye watering , plus a further update on the current RD drilling / assays..........there could be enough BULL in that basket to counter the BEAR.

Of course, a improved MACRO sentiment would also help the cause too.....;)

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Totally agree ; sometimes enough is enough ; jaded and cash strapped will be first out the door ; BUT they need to consider ; that by May every retail punter will only be up for 25% CGT … considering resource size and how other poxy resources are probably at a higher MC than AVZ ; that unless you are totally cash strapped it may well be best holding position and waiting for the rebound … not financial advice by any means ;just something I’d personally consider
 
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Ye indeed and agree, the road is now looking like a brixton Cul De Sac ; they’ve certainly had a good shot, now ; let's just see if logic prevails..but some times it's as if they don't care what others think...they ( MoP & CO ) act , as if they think people don't see what's going on...mind bending 🥴...its been corrupt for so long, that they seem to think it's just the done thing and people will just give them what they want,forget and get over it

The Chinese, imo failing 15%, North or the whole shooting match, they’ll continue to have a shot ; FIRB prevents TO ; but there's likely another angle that they are likely to mull over and there is potential opportunity considering the likely selldown on opening I.e cheap shares....a shot that can be taken if they can get their Chinese friends in the T20 together and that would be to accumulate more shares and turnover the the current board with a 51% holding of voting power ; I've noticed an increasing number of posters on the crapper, which I've never seen post before asking if anyone is looking to buy off market and these figures have been for 400k+ numbers ; also noticing a number of unknowns making off the cuff comments about management both on the crapper and here as of late ; it's to be expected considering the circumstances, but matched timing is obvious to me...lubing the mind of shareholders

It's obvious that there will be significant selling on open ,as many that will have been caught up in this shit will take a financial gasp ; ETFs etc exit, but the 10 months of Manono advertising will kick in as others will see the value...i also think we’ll have a few of our Chinese ‘friends’ enter the registery to build a gang position...as I've said before, I reckon good old Lithium Plus will come out of the bushes at some stage acting as a conduit for others ....Spod at mates rates back their Chinese counterparts...certainly wouldn't be looking after shareholders best interests imo


Why are you posting possible opportunities for the Chinese AVZ Top 20 holders and their friends??

I've been crucified for much less

"a shot that can be taken if they can get their Chinese friends in the T20 together and that would be to accumulate more shares and turnover the the current board with a 51% holding of voting power"

We can't do a thing to stop that.....so why would you put it out there on the public forum if so many on this thread are concerned about giving away intel and information to those working against our interests????????????

Many times I've been told to pull my head in, shut the fuck up and have "private little convo's" and keep ideas and thoughts and strategies away from prying eyes

Talking up a sell down on open............a warning or prepping and lubing shareholders?

Nothing but opinions, conjecture and agenda on the thread for 10 months

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