AVZ Discussion 2022
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Mr Inappropriate
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Due to legal threats, i’m hoping
MoneyBags1348
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Mr In, every now and then I change my password so that I can't log in until I access my emails, it keeps me off here for a little while.... so no replies or more mentions of me please because I usually feel I should reply to people when they address me.... There is a list of suspect twitter posters and websites on another thread, but here's a list of some fuckers, it's not complete (a few not mentioned like MoP) but it's a reminder I used to use of who to keep an eye on
Tom Richardson (Australian Financial Review - AFR)
Boatman (David Edward Robertson, DOB 07/1973)
- Boatman Capital Research….
- Director of Thirteen Research / England…. Links to Panama, Russia
- Former journalist at The Times / Worked at the corporate intelligence firm K2
Joseph Kabila Kabange
Zoe Kabila Mwanza Mbala (Joseph Kabila’s brother)
Min Go Wei
Jean Felix Mupande Kapwa (DG of CAMI)
Simon Cong (Dathomir)
Mwamba Misao Athanase (MD of COMINIERE SA)
Klaus Eckof (AJN Resources)
Eric Allard (Tantalex Lithium Resources)
Stephen Barley (African Energy Metals)
Dan Gertler (Israeli Businessman)
Because I've been off the forum, just wanted to say thanks to: @Spikerama for his work and that latest excellent addition of Mupande to his collection: @obe wan for his information on Canaccord offloading shares and Lithium Plus scooping them up; @tonster66 for transcribing the Marius interview; @mouseflying and @Thaz for the info on politicocd.... PS I've been meaning to apologise to @mouseflying for a long time after mistaking him for a troll I used to read years ago on the crapper.... Very sorry mate!!
Two rhetorical questions.... @Mr Inappropriate, is your missus Misappropriate?! And under the TSE Rules will the Cock Punch and any further challenges to @Winenuts 'Mantle' be exempt
Don't answer.... I want the next week off
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MoneyBags1348
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Just before I change my password again and sign out…. Is the the best balancing trick you guys have seen in a while?
Thats a rhetorical question!
Thats a rhetorical question!
obe wan
Regular
‘You can ask my women what they have to say in this connection’.... ‘Dick pictures’....You can ask my women what they have to say in this connection
Please tell me what do you think will happen?
Do you believe the president will now start to act in our favor and remove all blocks?
you sound like a real catch .I'm pretty sure, you were also the first to run out of the hedge screaming ‘nigel isn't in the DRC’ when Marius said he was in Kinshasa and NF was ready to return to Kinshasa’ ... Nigel has been in DRC for around 3 weeks now; he was back in Oz for a short stint prior to that...where was he before that? ..he was in DRC; did you know, believe it or not, Nigel spent around 7 months in DRC last year too; sometimes I do have to pull my eyeballs back down into their correct position, as they flip to focus on the inside of the top of my skull when reading regurgitated statements ‘management should be in DRC’ / ‘Management are doing nothing ‘ ..... When the opposite is;where the truth is.
I think the case has been, that Management have strictly followed a hard legal path and by doing the right thing,that eventually they’d weather the corruption storm and break out the other end....this tact may indeed prove true, but corruption content has proved to be high within a system which they’ve tried to guide their way through and so it's proving to be a very drawn out process indeed.....
We know that AVZ have had several meetings between late June to November ; the conclusion of these meetings should have resulted in a summary report of these meeting....( anyone that was in attendance, at the road shows in early Novemeber would certainly have noticed NFs confidence that the ML was about to pop) ..what sort of reporting was served up, to be signed off in mid to late November? Answer a plate of shite, a report that was bias towards AVZ, it's contents excluded proposals of infrastruture investments and so forth ; AVZ declined go sign that report, as it was a false representation of their intents...did MoP expect AVZ to sign it on review..she’d obviously would have liked AVZ to have swallowed that pill, after 6 months of burning time, MoP had compiled an unsignable report which was to be submitted to the head of state...AVZ didn't sign; but we were still in stuck in MoPs wear them down with time plan; we were still stuck in the damp trenches and pushing forward by keeping quite and letting the legal system work it all out ; corrupt individuals and even more so, when supported by other corrupt individuals in a system, do not follow the law all the way down the track ; they will deviate from it in order to try and reach their goal; so there's a lot of one step forward and two steps back and visa versa, in how AVZ have been tracking.
Ministers are appointed for a reason; they’re the equivalent of any managerial team within any company ; they control various departments , as the CEO can't be expected to run each and every department by him/herself ; ministers are trusted with doing their jobs without the requirement for presidential intervention...problem is that now MoP has a red light on her head, and a number of other ministers, including the PM have fallen under the spotlight ; Felix was never going to come running through the door swinging the sword in the first few months ; remember meetings which were to be arranged between FT, Marius / AVZ we're effectively scuttled before dates were even penciled in by the distractors
FT trusted his ministers, the ICF report started to dismantle the MoP ; the unsigned summary report and reasons why it never arrive....who knows , maybe even why it had , but only arrive half baked ( without AVZ signature) but advised to read , is likely to have opened up some further kinks in her armour.
The MoM’s withdrawal of the decrees on the 6th of Feb -’urgency, harmonious, healthy cooperation’ has basically pulled the hand break on the long legal zombie walk. As Marius has said MoM, was not associated with the irregular sale of the 15%, she knew of the sale of the 15% but couldn't take any action due to ‘coordination problems’.
We know that the case against comminere was agreed to be withdraw by both AVZ and Cominiere at least from lumbumbashi court a week or two after the Feb 6th decree ; so fair call, (considering that management have also been in DRC for the bulk of the time between the decree and and now) , is that parties have come to the table to work towards a conclusion, from where id assume another report will be ( has been?) generated, but in this case it's not being selectively compiled by MoP; these discussions will be accounting how we have gotten to this point in time ; how things haven't moved along so smoothly.
I don’t think FT is anti AVZ, I do think that it would have been difficult for him to start countering decisions made by his ministers, as it would clearly point to dysfunction / corruption within a government led by him. Marius is respected with the DRC, him speaking publically on TV twice last week would have tenderised some of those feelings of respect apparently many within the public have towards MoM.
AVZ following the correct part ( maybe not as effective in DRC ), and followed the mining code to a tee ; Marius Mihigo and Christain Lukusa ( highly respected by FT) leading the way, but with highlighting grit which makes things a hell of a lot easier for FT to act on
AVZ were already in the DRC well before you lost your load on the footpath @Schemozzle. What day was the Marius Mihigo broadcast shot? Where in Kinshasa and when was the NF and JC ‘men in black’ shot taken? Some say a large meeting was scheduled the week before, only for the Macron visit which pushed things out....i wonder if a follow up visit happened.
politico pulling articles and a number of old AFR Avz related tweets getting deleted is also interesting FWIW
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Mr Inappropriate
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Well if that happens there will definitely be no premature ejaculation.You can ask my women what they have to say in this connection
Please tell me what do you think will happen?
Do you believe the president will now start to act in our favour and remove all bollocks?
Another outstanding post. Thanks OBE‘You can ask my women what they have to say in this connection’.... ‘Dick pictures’....
I'm pretty sure, you were also the first to run out of the hedge screaming ‘nigel isn't in the DRC’ when Marius said he was in Kinshasa and NF was ready to return to Kinshasa’ ... Nigel has been in DRC for around 3 weeks now; he was back in Oz for a short stint prior to that...where was he before that? ..he was in DRC; did you know, believe it or not, Nigel spent around 7 months in DRC last year too; sometimes I do have to pull my eyeballs back down into their correct position, as they flip to focus on the inside of the top of my skull when reading regurgitated statements ‘management should be in DRC’ / ‘Management are doing nothing ‘ ..... When the opposite is, where the truth is.
I think the case has been, that Management have strictly followed a hard legal path and by doing the right thing,that eventually they’d weather the corruption storm and break out the other end....this tact may indeed prove true, but corruption content has proved to be high within a system which they’ve tried to guide their way through and so it's proving to be a very drawn out process indeed.....
We know that AVZ have had several meetings between late June to November ; the conclusion of these meetings should have resulted in a summary reports of these meeting....( anyone that was in attendance at the road shows in early Novemeber would certainly have noticed NFs confidence that the ML was about to pop) ..what sort of reporting was served up, to be signed off in mid to late November? Answer a plate of shite, a report that was bias towards AVZ, it's contents excluded proposals of infrastruture investments and so forth ; AVZ declined go sign that report, as it was a false representation of their intents...did MoP expect AVZ to sign it on review..she’d obviously would have liked AVZ to have swallowed that pill, after 6 months of burning time MoP she had compiled an unsignable report that was to be submitted to the head of state...AVZ didn't sign, but we were still in stuck in MoPs wear them down it time plan; we were still stuck in the damp trenches and pushing forward by keeping quite and letting the legal system work it all out ; corrupt individuals and even more so, when supported by other corrupt individuals in a system, do not follow the law all the way down the track ; they will deviate from it in order to try and reach their goal; so there's a lot of one step forward and two steps back and visa versa, in how AVZ have been tracking.
Ministers are appointed for a reason; they’re the equivalent of any managerial team within any company ; they control various departments as the CEO can't be expected to run each and every department by him/herself ; ministers are trusted with doing their jobs without the requirement for presidential intervention...problem is that now MoP has a red light on her head, and a number of other ministers, including the PM have fallen under the spotlight ; Felix was never going to come running through the door swinging the sword in the first few months ; remember meetings which were to be arranged between FT, Marius / AVZ we're effectively scuttled before dates were even penciled in by the distractors
FT trusted his ministers, the ICF report started to dismantle the MoP ; the unsigned summary report and reasons why it never arrive....who knows , maybe even why it it only arrive half baked ( without AVZ signature) , is likely to have opened up some kinks in her armour.
The MoM’s pulling of the decrees on the 6th of Feb -’urgency, harmonious, healthy cooperation’ has basically pulled the hand break the long legal zombie walk. As Marius has said MoM, was not associated with the irregular said of the 15%, she knew of the sale of the 15% but couldn't take any action due to ‘coordination problems’.
We know that the case against comminere was agreed to be withdraw by both AVZ and Cominiere at least from lumbumbashi court a week or two after the Feb 6th decree ; so fair call, (considering that management have also been in DRC for the bulk of the time between the decree and and now) , is that parties have come to the table to work towards a conclusion, from where id assume another report will be ( has been?) generated, but in this case it's not being selectively compiled by MoP; these discussions will be accounting how we have gotten to this point in time ; how things haven't moved along so smoothly.
I don’t think FT is anti AVZ, I do think that it would have been difficult for him to start countering decisions made by his ministers, as it would clearly point to dysfunction / corruption within a government led by him. Marius is respected with the DRC, him speaking publically on TV twice last week would have tenderised some of those feelings of respect apparently many within the public have towards MoM.
AVZ following the correct part ( maybe not as effective in DRC ), and followed the mining code to a tee ; Marius Mihigo and Christain Lukusa ( highly respected by FT) leading the way, but with highlighting grit which makes things a hell of a lot easier for FT to act on.
AVZ were already in the DRC well before you lost your load on the footpath @Schemozzle. What day was the Marius Mihigo broadcast shot? Where in Kinshasa and when was the NF and JC ‘men in black’ shot taken? Some say a large meeting was scheduled the week before, only for the Macron visit which pushed things out....i wonder if a follow up visit happened.
politico pulling articles and a number of old AFR Avz related tweets getting deleted is also interesting FWIW
Mr Inappropriate
Regular
Thank you @obe wan - that adds some colour and detail to the machinations that have been driving us all nuts.‘You can ask my women what they have to say in this connection’.... ‘Dick pictures’....
I'm pretty sure, you were also the first to run out of the hedge screaming ‘nigel isn't in the DRC’ when Marius said he was in Kinshasa and NF was ready to return to Kinshasa’ ... Nigel has been in DRC for around 3 weeks now; he was back in Oz for a short stint prior to that...where was he before that? ..he was in DRC; did you know, believe it or not, Nigel spent around 7 months in DRC last year too; sometimes I do have to pull my eyeballs back down into their correct position, as they flip to focus on the inside of the top of my skull when reading regurgitated statements ‘management should be in DRC’ / ‘Management are doing nothing ‘ ..... When the opposite is, where the truth is.
I think the case has been, that Management have strictly followed a hard legal path and by doing the right thing,that eventually they’d weather the corruption storm and break out the other end....this tact may indeed prove true, but corruption content has proved to be high within a system which they’ve tried to guide their way through and so it's proving to be a very drawn out process indeed.....
We know that AVZ have had several meetings between late June to November ; the conclusion of these meetings should have resulted in a summary reports of these meeting....( anyone that was in attendance at the road shows in early Novemeber would certainly have noticed NFs confidence that the ML was about to pop) ..what sort of reporting was served up, to be signed off in mid to late November? Answer a plate of shite, a report that was bias towards AVZ, it's contents excluded proposals of infrastruture investments and so forth ; AVZ declined go sign that report, as it was a false representation of their intents...did MoP expect AVZ to sign it on review..she’d obviously would have liked AVZ to have swallowed that pill, after 6 months of burning time MoP she had compiled an unsignable report that was to be submitted to the head of state...AVZ didn't sign, but we were still in stuck in MoPs wear them down it time plan; we were still stuck in the damp trenches and pushing forward by keeping quite and letting the legal system work it all out ; corrupt individuals and even more so, when supported by other corrupt individuals in a system, do not follow the law all the way down the track ; they will deviate from it in order to try and reach their goal; so there's a lot of one step forward and two steps back and visa versa, in how AVZ have been tracking.
Ministers are appointed for a reason; they’re the equivalent of any managerial team within any company ; they control various departments as the CEO can't be expected to run each and every department by him/herself ; ministers are trusted with doing their jobs without the requirement for presidential intervention...problem is that now MoP has a red light on her head, and a number of other ministers, including the PM have fallen under the spotlight ; Felix was never going to come running through the door swinging the sword in the first few months ; remember meetings which were to be arranged between FT, Marius / AVZ we're effectively scuttled before dates were even penciled in by the distractors
FT trusted his ministers, the ICF report started to dismantle the MoP ; the unsigned summary report and reasons why it never arrive....who knows , maybe even why it it only arrive half baked ( without AVZ signature) , is likely to have opened up some kinks in her armour.
The MoM’s pulling of the decrees on the 6th of Feb -’urgency, harmonious, healthy cooperation’ has basically pulled the hand break the long legal zombie walk. As Marius has said MoM, was not associated with the irregular said of the 15%, she knew of the sale of the 15% but couldn't take any action due to ‘coordination problems’.
We know that the case against comminere was agreed to be withdraw by both AVZ and Cominiere at least from lumbumbashi court a week or two after the Feb 6th decree ; so fair call, (considering that management have also been in DRC for the bulk of the time between the decree and and now) , is that parties have come to the table to work towards a conclusion, from where id assume another report will be ( has been?) generated, but in this case it's not being selectively compiled by MoP; these discussions will be accounting how we have gotten to this point in time ; how things haven't moved along so smoothly.
I don’t think FT is anti AVZ, I do think that it would have been difficult for him to start countering decisions made by his ministers, as it would clearly point to dysfunction / corruption within a government led by him. Marius is respected with the DRC, him speaking publically on TV twice last week would have tenderised some of those feelings of respect apparently many within the public have towards MoM.
AVZ following the correct part ( maybe not as effective in DRC ), and followed the mining code to a tee ; Marius Mihigo and Christain Lukusa ( highly respected by FT) leading the way, but with highlighting grit which makes things a hell of a lot easier for FT to act on.
AVZ were already in the DRC well before you lost your load on the footpath @Schemozzle. What day was the Marius Mihigo broadcast shot? Where in Kinshasa and when was the NF and JC ‘men in black’ shot taken? Some say a large meeting was scheduled the week before, only for the Macron visit which pushed things out....i wonder if a follow up visit happened.
politico pulling articles and a number of old AFR Avz related tweets getting deleted is also interesting FWIW
In difficulty of the local lithium, China wants to have the monopoly of the ore in DR Congo
"Lithium, the new cold war between Westerners and Easterners in the DRC? »
NEWSECONOMY
Kiki Kienge
By Kiki Kienge
Lithium, the new cold war between Westerners and Easterners to the detriment of African populations who are sinking more and more into misery despite their wealth?
The national production of lithium in China for batteries and others remains much lower than the lithium imported and processed in China.
China is the world's largest producer of batteries, notably holding more than half of the world's lithium refining, but at least 70% of its supplies depend on foreign countries.
With the spectacular rise in the price of lithium reaching record figures (+/- 80,000 $US) and the shortage on a global scale, China is trying everything to control the production of global lithium.
The extraction of the rock containing lithium of lower Chinese quality, the lepidolite of Yichun which contains less than 1% of lithium, in particular the high cost for production, causes many problems of environmental pollution and cannot compete with lithium countries like DR Congo, Argentina or Zimbabwe for example. For one ton of lithium carbonate processed from Yichun lepidolite, generates at least 200 kilos of polluting waste depending on the quality of the ore. Which must often be treated in basins which represent great risks of water pollution.
For its part, the Chinese battery giant, CATL, which bought 24% at US$240 million of the shares in the Manono Lithium project in the province of Tanganyika in the Democratic Republic of Congo. In its project in Yichun, declared to be in compliance with Chinese environmental laws and regulations.
The country of Mao Zedong , would control most of the lithium produced from Argentina to Zimbabwe, via Bolivia and now seeks to get its hands on the largest deposits of hard rock lithium in the Democratic Republic of Congo. A high quality lithium, which does not require a lot of investment for its refining and has less impact on the environment.
China does not want to lose its leading position as a producer of batteries for electric vehicles, a particularly geopolitical war against its rival, the United States and Europe for control of the future energy of global mobility.
In the Democratic Republic of Congo, we are witnessing a merciless war where all shots are allowed, of the Chinese group ZIJIN against the Australians of AVZ Minerals for the management of lithium in Manono.
After having invested more than 100 million $US for the feasibility study which led to the discovery of the lithium deposit in Manono, notably owning in Dathcom (joint venture between the Congolese state company COMINIERE and AVZ) 60%, plus 15 % still in conflict bought in Dathomir from the Chinese Simon Cong , the Australians of AVZ Minerals saw their exploitation license canceled by the Ministry of Mines of Congo, “following the conflicts” between partners in Dathcom.
The Chinese group ZIJIN, to be part of the Manono Lithium project had tried to buy 15% of the shares of COMINIERE, something which was deemed illegal by the General Inspectorate of Finance (IGF body under the supervision of the presidency of the Congolese Republic ) at US$33 million than 150 million of its real value. Not giving up, ZIJIN would try political and communication tricks to achieve his ends at all costs, to have the monopoly of Congolese lithium.
We are witnessing in particular in the Democratic Republic of Congo visits from high Western authorities, the United States, France, Belgium... so as not to shift too much from the control of the strategic minerals that Lumumba 's country abounds in favor of the People's Republic of China , which already controls more than 70% of copper, 80% of cobalt and more or less the same on coltan, gold and other mining resources of the DR Congo.
"Lithium, the new cold war between Westerners and Easterners in the DRC? »
NEWSECONOMY
In difficulty of the local lithium, China wants to have the monopoly of the ore in DR Congo
March 11, 2023Kiki Kienge
By Kiki Kienge
Lithium, the new cold war between Westerners and Easterners to the detriment of African populations who are sinking more and more into misery despite their wealth?
The national production of lithium in China for batteries and others remains much lower than the lithium imported and processed in China.
China is the world's largest producer of batteries, notably holding more than half of the world's lithium refining, but at least 70% of its supplies depend on foreign countries.
With the spectacular rise in the price of lithium reaching record figures (+/- 80,000 $US) and the shortage on a global scale, China is trying everything to control the production of global lithium.
The extraction of the rock containing lithium of lower Chinese quality, the lepidolite of Yichun which contains less than 1% of lithium, in particular the high cost for production, causes many problems of environmental pollution and cannot compete with lithium countries like DR Congo, Argentina or Zimbabwe for example. For one ton of lithium carbonate processed from Yichun lepidolite, generates at least 200 kilos of polluting waste depending on the quality of the ore. Which must often be treated in basins which represent great risks of water pollution.
For its part, the Chinese battery giant, CATL, which bought 24% at US$240 million of the shares in the Manono Lithium project in the province of Tanganyika in the Democratic Republic of Congo. In its project in Yichun, declared to be in compliance with Chinese environmental laws and regulations.
The country of Mao Zedong , would control most of the lithium produced from Argentina to Zimbabwe, via Bolivia and now seeks to get its hands on the largest deposits of hard rock lithium in the Democratic Republic of Congo. A high quality lithium, which does not require a lot of investment for its refining and has less impact on the environment.
China does not want to lose its leading position as a producer of batteries for electric vehicles, a particularly geopolitical war against its rival, the United States and Europe for control of the future energy of global mobility.
In the Democratic Republic of Congo, we are witnessing a merciless war where all shots are allowed, of the Chinese group ZIJIN against the Australians of AVZ Minerals for the management of lithium in Manono.
After having invested more than 100 million $US for the feasibility study which led to the discovery of the lithium deposit in Manono, notably owning in Dathcom (joint venture between the Congolese state company COMINIERE and AVZ) 60%, plus 15 % still in conflict bought in Dathomir from the Chinese Simon Cong , the Australians of AVZ Minerals saw their exploitation license canceled by the Ministry of Mines of Congo, “following the conflicts” between partners in Dathcom.
The Chinese group ZIJIN, to be part of the Manono Lithium project had tried to buy 15% of the shares of COMINIERE, something which was deemed illegal by the General Inspectorate of Finance (IGF body under the supervision of the presidency of the Congolese Republic ) at US$33 million than 150 million of its real value. Not giving up, ZIJIN would try political and communication tricks to achieve his ends at all costs, to have the monopoly of Congolese lithium.
We are witnessing in particular in the Democratic Republic of Congo visits from high Western authorities, the United States, France, Belgium... so as not to shift too much from the control of the strategic minerals that Lumumba 's country abounds in favor of the People's Republic of China , which already controls more than 70% of copper, 80% of cobalt and more or less the same on coltan, gold and other mining resources of the DR Congo.
Yep great post mate...clear and concise as usual‘You can ask my women what they have to say in this connection’.... ‘Dick pictures’....
I'm pretty sure, you were also the first to run out of the hedge screaming ‘nigel isn't in the DRC’ when Marius said he was in Kinshasa and NF was ready to return to Kinshasa’ ... Nigel has been in DRC for around 3 weeks now; he was back in Oz for a short stint prior to that...where was he before that? ..he was in DRC; did you know, believe it or not, Nigel spent around 7 months in DRC last year too; sometimes I do have to pull my eyeballs back down into their correct position, as they flip to focus on the inside of the top of my skull when reading regurgitated statements ‘management should be in DRC’ / ‘Management are doing nothing ‘ ..... When the opposite is;where the truth is.
I think the case has been, that Management have strictly followed a hard legal path and by doing the right thing,that eventually they’d weather the corruption storm and break out the other end....this tact may indeed prove true, but corruption content has proved to be high within a system which they’ve tried to guide their way through and so it's proving to be a very drawn out process indeed.....
We know that AVZ have had several meetings between late June to November ; the conclusion of these meetings should have resulted in a summary report of these meeting....( anyone that was in attendance, at the road shows in early Novemeber would certainly have noticed NFs confidence that the ML was about to pop) ..what sort of reporting was served up, to be signed off in mid to late November? Answer a plate of shite, a report that was bias towards AVZ, it's contents excluded proposals of infrastruture investments and so forth ; AVZ declined go sign that report, as it was a false representation of their intents...did MoP expect AVZ to sign it on review..she’d obviously would have liked AVZ to have swallowed that pill, after 6 months of burning time, MoP had compiled an unsignable report which was to be submitted to the head of state...AVZ didn't sign; but we were still in stuck in MoPs wear them down with time plan; we were still stuck in the damp trenches and pushing forward by keeping quite and letting the legal system work it all out ; corrupt individuals and even more so, when supported by other corrupt individuals in a system, do not follow the law all the way down the track ; they will deviate from it in order to try and reach their goal; so there's a lot of one step forward and two steps back and visa versa, in how AVZ have been tracking.
Ministers are appointed for a reason; they’re the equivalent of any managerial team within any company ; they control various departments , as the CEO can't be expected to run each and every department by him/herself ; ministers are trusted with doing their jobs without the requirement for presidential intervention...problem is that now MoP has a red light on her head, and a number of other ministers, including the PM have fallen under the spotlight ; Felix was never going to come running through the door swinging the sword in the first few months ; remember meetings which were to be arranged between FT, Marius / AVZ we're effectively scuttled before dates were even penciled in by the distractors
FT trusted his ministers, the ICF report started to dismantle the MoP ; the unsigned summary report and reasons why it never arrive....who knows , maybe even why it had , but only arrive half baked ( without AVZ signature) but advised to read , is likely to have opened up some further kinks in her armour.
The MoM’s withdrawal of the decrees on the 6th of Feb -’urgency, harmonious, healthy cooperation’ has basically pulled the hand break on the long legal zombie walk. As Marius has said MoM, was not associated with the irregular sale of the 15%, she knew of the sale of the 15% but couldn't take any action due to ‘coordination problems’.
We know that the case against comminere was agreed to be withdraw by both AVZ and Cominiere at least from lumbumbashi court a week or two after the Feb 6th decree ; so fair call, (considering that management have also been in DRC for the bulk of the time between the decree and and now) , is that parties have come to the table to work towards a conclusion, from where id assume another report will be ( has been?) generated, but in this case it's not being selectively compiled by MoP; these discussions will be accounting how we have gotten to this point in time ; how things haven't moved along so smoothly.
I don’t think FT is anti AVZ, I do think that it would have been difficult for him to start countering decisions made by his ministers, as it would clearly point to dysfunction / corruption within a government led by him. Marius is respected with the DRC, him speaking publically on TV twice last week would have tenderised some of those feelings of respect apparently many within the public have towards MoM.
AVZ following the correct part ( maybe not as effective in DRC ), and followed the mining code to a tee ; Marius Mihigo and Christain Lukusa ( highly respected by FT) leading the way, but with highlighting grit which makes things a hell of a lot easier for FT to act on.
AVZ were already in the DRC well before you lost your load on the footpath @Schemozzle. What day was the Marius Mihigo broadcast shot? Where in Kinshasa and when was the NF and JC ‘men in black’ shot taken? Some say a large meeting was scheduled the week before, only for the Macron visit which pushed things out....i wonder if a follow up visit happened.
politico pulling articles and a number of old AFR Avz related tweets getting deleted is also interesting FWIW
obe wan you make some interesting points.
At this stage of the game AVZ is in an existential fight, and has nothing to lose and everything to gain by publicly calling out the corrupt officials and those who corrupt them.
Pussy-footing around the issue and claiming the moral high ground over the past year has proven a failed strategy.
I think AVZ, including its advisor and legal representatives are now embarking on a new strategy: Applying pressure ahead of the ICC sponsored arbitrations in April. Hopefully, DRC focused social justice groups will also continue to name names and pressure the DRC government and their Chinese masters to negotiate in good faith.
Cheers
F
At this stage of the game AVZ is in an existential fight, and has nothing to lose and everything to gain by publicly calling out the corrupt officials and those who corrupt them.
Pussy-footing around the issue and claiming the moral high ground over the past year has proven a failed strategy.
I think AVZ, including its advisor and legal representatives are now embarking on a new strategy: Applying pressure ahead of the ICC sponsored arbitrations in April. Hopefully, DRC focused social justice groups will also continue to name names and pressure the DRC government and their Chinese masters to negotiate in good faith.
Cheers
F
Mr Inappropriate
Regular
That’s an odd question to pose…
- In a corrupt world there are a tiny number of winners and a massive number of losers. The people of the DRC are trying to lift themselves out of poverty by the bootstraps. I for one don‘t want to have any part in slowing their progress.
- Do you think we could out-corrupt the Chinese? They would turn it against us and we’d be out the door in a heartbeat.
- Why, having played by the rulebook for years, would we put it all at risk at this late stage by slinging around snacks and favours?
- It’s illegal under Australian law.
Mate, that's a loaded question like: Would you prefer being stabbed or shot to death (I prefer option three)
Cheers
F
Sorry Chilla for my ignorance...........What will next week reveal……somethings happening imo?
Five interesting events to consider as a collective of activities in the last few weeks:
1. TIA is extended to same date as TH extension. We have been told before it will take them a few weeks to finalise the TIA after the ML is awarded…..so why only extend TIA to the same date and not end of April?
2. AVZ withdraw court action against Comminiere for the ROFR 15% sold to Z. Why do that now? What is the compromise being negotiated here?
3. AVZ via agent Jens requests Shareholders ease off the twitter communication offensive against the DRC ministries for a week. Why?
4. Marius doing the rounds of talk shows giving interviews and getting the truth out to the wider DRC community. Why now?
5. Nige and John pictured in suits in Kinshasa. Why? Who are they meeting? Unusual for pics to emerge like this….and Nige needs to update his tie collection from the 80’s.
Something going on…but what?
Will Dathcom be awarded the ML for entire 13359 now AVZ have rolled over and withdrawn court case for 15% ROFR?
Hmmmm…. Interesting week coming up I think
But where did you get this info from ?
2. AVZ withdraw court action against Comminiere for the ROFR 15% sold to Z. Why do that now? What is the compromise being negotiated here?
And if indeed that is the case, then where does that leave the ICC arbitration case between Zijin v AVZ ?
Winenut
Go AVZ!
I'm still waiting for some official announcement and guidance from management on what has happened/is happening with AVZ, Manono, The DRC Government, Felix, various ministers, Dathcom partners, relevant mining authorities and the various legal challenges and arbitrations
As a shareholder I shouldn't have to put up with reading social media and forum posts to try and get some idea of what's going on
I still have a genuine concern that some shareholders are either receiving privileged information or purporting to be "in the know" from sources closer to Management or AVZ's trusted advisors
I still genuinely appreciate the discussion and the sharing of thoughts and opinions but at the end of the day it's meaningless or at worst potentially "leak driven" with it's own inherent disclosure issues
Surely shareholders can be provided with something official without AVZ's position being completely compromised
As a shareholder I shouldn't have to put up with reading social media and forum posts to try and get some idea of what's going on
I still have a genuine concern that some shareholders are either receiving privileged information or purporting to be "in the know" from sources closer to Management or AVZ's trusted advisors
I still genuinely appreciate the discussion and the sharing of thoughts and opinions but at the end of the day it's meaningless or at worst potentially "leak driven" with it's own inherent disclosure issues
Surely shareholders can be provided with something official without AVZ's position being completely compromised
obe wan
Regular
I don’t think ‘join the corruption play’ is an option … that’s exactly one of the things the detractors would love for AVZ to do ; they haven’t been able to drop a corruption sticker on AVZs forehead after all this time ; but also within that time they themselves are being picked apart and being prove up well as being corrupt.
One can’t stop time and at some point, there will be a breaking point where all the wheels start to fall off and an ending is determined ; I think MoM and Marius Mihigo have added accelerant and the end is rapidly approaching with AVZ being able to remain totally above board , whilst MoPs plans come away at the seams .
There’s only so long a rolling act of corruption / theft can play out as people start to gain interest , progressively start to fixate on it up to a point where people start to ask how these individuals are getting away with this.
Marius , a person whom is highly respected by FT (we’ve seen a number of pictures where they have been in each others company) is asking the questions about MoP as well as GM CAMI ; so others will see this as what it is .
Interesting that MoP didn’t appear in teams line up of the meeting of the ministers on Friday gone . Heard somewhere that she maybe repositioned as Governor of Lualaba which is where she is original from … that Would be interesting ; Luababa is her birth Provence which id say she has been given some benefit of the doubt because FT considers it an important electorate provence … so shipped to governor of there as opposed to other reprocussons may appease some … but to be honest I don’t know how true if at all, that rumour is
Carlos Danger
Top 20
Sorry Chilla for my ignorance...........
But where did you get this info from ?
2. AVZ withdraw court action against Comminiere for the ROFR 15% sold to Z. Why do that now? What is the compromise being negotiated here?
And if indeed that is the case, then where does that leave the ICC arbitration case between Zijin v AVZ ?
Rediah
Regular
Initially when we went into suspension and came to know about Zijin etc, I thought we should have paid the DRC, given them the snacks to get our project moving, should have went to bed with Chinese.
But now, 10 months later, even doing the right thing we are still the ‘bad guys”.
Imagine what 2 cent Tommy and Boatman would have done to us had we bribed the DRC officials, how bad it would have looked in IGF report and through constant barrage of AFR articles and how easy it would have been for ICC, local NGO’s, MoP, MoM and FT etc. to kick us out of the country.
So, I am hoping that the good guys will win.
But now, 10 months later, even doing the right thing we are still the ‘bad guys”.
Imagine what 2 cent Tommy and Boatman would have done to us had we bribed the DRC officials, how bad it would have looked in IGF report and through constant barrage of AFR articles and how easy it would have been for ICC, local NGO’s, MoP, MoM and FT etc. to kick us out of the country.
So, I am hoping that the good guys will win.
Thanks Carlos, what date was this document?
I am trying to correlate that with the ASX announcement which I cannot find.
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