AVZ Discussion 2022

[cruiser51]

Well, I've already started. Nothing else has worked much to date, so may as well go for the head of the snake.

On another unrelated matter, maybe it's a bit of a pop quiz or silly idea, I don't know........

Who knows who I am on Twitter?

Don't say it here on TSE, just message me direct. Will help me determine who is friend of foe and other things, if you have the time

Cheers the Fox

PS. The old saying, you show me yours.........

Are you Adèle Kahinda, just tell me if I'm warm.

 

[MoneyBags1348]

Back in my days on the crapper after I got suspended a few times the moderators let me know they were monitoring my IP address…. To be honest, after getting suspended I did use a couple of aliases things including ‘The Bag Man’ and ‘Felix’ both in keeping with the Bag theme.

Anyway, it’s 2:30am in the morning here and there’s a few odd things going on with this website at the moment (couldn’t give ‘likes’ and taking forever to load pages etc) so hopefully tse aren’t monitoring IP addresses like the crapper did and hopefully no Chinese monitoring us….

Either way I’m taking the weekend off

 

[John25]

Back in my days on the crapper after I got suspended a few times the moderators let me know they were monitoring my IP address…. To be honest, after getting suspended I did use a couple of aliases things including ‘The Bag Man’ and ‘Felix’ both in keeping with the Bag theme.

Anyway, it’s 2:30am in the morning here and there’s a few odd things going on with this website at the moment (couldn’t give ‘likes’ and taking forever to load pages etc) so hopefully tse aren’t monitoring IP addresses like the crapper did and hopefully no Chinese monitoring us….

Either way I’m taking the weekend off

Shit…..Bags its 2.20am over in the Wild West & i’ll catch up with you tomorrow .Just finished work …might take up the Foxes challenge

 

[Doc]

Well, I've already started. Nothing else has worked much to date, so may as well go for the head of the snake.

On another unrelated matter, maybe it's a bit of a pop quiz or silly idea, I don't know........

Who knows who I am on Twitter?

Don't say it here on TSE, just message me direct. Will help me determine who is friend of foe and other things, if you have the time

Cheers the Fox

PS. The old saying, you show me yours.........

Well you ain’t Jen’s. He just deleted his Twitter. Not sure if that’s a bad omen for us. He was ardent supporter of AVZ

 

[Bin59]

 

[Doc]

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I can’t work out if that bloke is a supporter of AVZ or not. He accusing Dathomir of ‘stealing the country’ in one tweet.

 

[Bin59]

I can’t work out if that bloke is a supporter of AVZ or not. He accusing Dathomir of ‘stealing the country’ in one tweet.

In the past he’s been a strong supporter of AVZ and has even been accused by Congolese of working for us - despite that tweet re Dathomir, I believe he still supports us / Dathcom.

 

[Flight996]

It seems that Goldman Sachs (GS) remains the bottom-feeder of bottom-feeders.

Overnight, a group of Democratic U.S. lawmakers wrote to the Justice Department seeking a probe into the role of Goldman Sachs Group in the collapse of the Silicon Valley Bank.

Apparently Goldman Sachs Group advised SVB on the purchase of its bond portfolio, which as we know eventually turned to jelly and caused the bank to collapse.

GS probably bought put positions or had shorted the bank.

Ref: Reuters:

Democratic lawmakers urge US to probe Goldman's role in SVB collapse

A group of Democratic U.S. lawmakers sent a letter to regulators and the Justice Department requesting a probe into the role of Goldman Sachs Group Inc in the collapse of the Silicon Valley Bank (SVB) , the office of U.S. Representative Adam Schiff said on Friday.

www.reuters.com

Cheers
F

 

[LX600]

Jens Twitter has problem. Our friend Franck hasn’t twit any since early March. Hope he is ok

 

[Sammy_da_Smile]

Hi @Sammy_da_Smile , was there anything interesting or new to share from today’s interview with Serge?

I thought that Serge spoke quite well about the project. That's what he talked about. No mention of the issues or the Chinese.

He did mention at around the 17min mark, that they are finalising the documentation for the SEZ. But we all know that's been happening for ages lol

 

[Sparrowhawk12]

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What does this mean?
@Sammael - is it you that does great language translations of imaged text. Please share the App/process you use.
Thanks and br Sparrowhawk

 

[Sparrowhawk12]

Jens Twitter has problem. Our friend Franck hasn’t twit any since early March. Hope he is ok

Have replied to Franck. Yes I hope he's OK.
I can't find Jens' account on twitter now. Has he bailed? Why? Was his account hacked & deleted?

 

[The Fox]

Well said Fox! Is this why we have the date September 2024?

So Felix, the ball is in your court, you can force the Chinese crooks and corrupt DRC Gov officials and CAMI officials to capitulate in favour of AVZ, or nobody wins for a long long time and AVZ wins big at the end of the day at the ICC, sitting opposite DRC lawyers sometime down the road.

Thanks. When ICC was first mentioned not that long after AVZ went into voluntary suspension (yes Tommy voluntarily you dickhead) I researched expected timelines for a cases similar to what AVZ is handling and the average was 18 months.

Yes cases can be dismissed on lack of merit and be withdrawn and terminated for a number of reasons, however from start to finish 18 months seems the norm.

I suspect the 2024 comment in the AVZ update and supporting words around AVZ waiting for things to be sorted in the ICC will seriously put the wind up the DRC and Felix.

I’ve said to a few here offline for months that I believe the ICC is our endgame, if all else fails.

However, waiting for an ICC case where AVZ vs DRC won’t work out very well for the DRC and the bullshit dreams Felix spreads via every speech, every week, everywhere, (he should get an Oscar too) of being a battery manufacturing hub for the world is embarrassing. Felix looks more like a fool each day the Manono opportunity goes by and is wasted.

So to answer your question in short, I think so, yes. And also because 18 months is the usual timeline to complete an ICC case.

Cheers The Fox

 

[Bin59]

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I thought that Serge spoke quite well about the project. That's what he talked about. No mention of the issues or the Chinese.

He did mention at around the 17min mark, that they are finalise the documentation for the SEZ. But we all know that's been happening for ages lol

Thanks for the feedback Sammy, I had trouble getting the English translation and could only get the text in French.

As it is Serge who is saying they’re finalising the documentation for Manono SEZ, that’s very positive imo.

 

[Bin59]

Didn’t the President say something along the lines of any Minister mentioned in the IGF reports for corruption would no longer work for him, as well as the “show me evidence” statement? We now have Minister of Mines and the Minister of Portfolio mentioned in the IGF reports re corruption prior to the expected cabinet reshuffle.

Perhaps the next department to be investigated (if it hasn’t happened already) will be CAMI and Mupande will be mentioned, which would remove him from CAMI and perhaps from his position with the Vuka Group as well.

Edit: Having now read the report in English I see the MoM was not implicated in corruption, but was merely the recipient of the report.

 

[The Fox]

Well, I've already started. Nothing else has worked much to date, so may as well go for the head of the snake.

On another unrelated matter, maybe it's a bit of a pop quiz or silly idea, I don't know........

Who knows who I am on Twitter?

Don't say it here on TSE, just message me direct. Will help me determine who is friend of foe and other things, if you have the time

Cheers the Fox

PS. The old saying, you show me yours.........

In the short time since I posted the above question / challenge I’ve had quite a few send me a DM, thank you for that.

This challenge is turning out to be a bit of fun for me with the guesses around who I am on Twitter, thank you.

I promise to respond directly to each DM and confirm if you have guessed correctly or not and answer any questions that were also included if I’m able.

However, have to run out the door now, look forward responding to all DM’s later today.

Have a good day all

 

[Sammy_da_Smile]

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Thanks for the feedback Sammy, I had trouble getting the English translation and could only get the text in French.

As it is Serge who is saying they’re finalising the documentation for Manono SEZ, that’s very positive imo.

Try desktop site if your on mobile. Then sometimes you have to click the subtitles thing twice to get English to show up.

 

[MoneyBags1348]

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Thanks for the feedback Sammy, I had trouble getting the English translation and could only get the text in French.

As it is Serge who is saying they’re finalising the documentation for Manono SEZ, that’s very positive imo.

Try desktop site if your on mobile. Then sometimes you have to click the subtitles thing twice to get English to show up.

I watched it on my phone and if you have YouTube on in your mobile data you can watch the link on YouTube…. Hit CC for captions and then click on the cog wheel in the top right corner, then captions, then translate from French to English

Now I’m off for the weekend…. Hope you have a good weekend and enjoy the time off from having to work @John25

 

[Roon]

Thanks. When ICC was first mentioned not that long after AVZ went into voluntary suspension (yes Tommy voluntarily you dickhead) I researched expected timelines for a cases similar to what AVZ is handling and the average was 18 months.

Yes cases can be dismissed on lack of merit and be withdrawn and terminated for a number of reasons, however from start to finish 18 months seems the norm.

I suspect the 2024 comment in the AVZ update and supporting words around AVZ waiting for things to be sorted in the ICC will seriously put the wind up the DRC and Felix.

I’ve said to a few here offline for months that I believe the ICC is our endgame, if all else fails.

However, waiting for an ICC case where AVZ vs DRC won’t work out very well for the DRC and the bullshit dreams Felix spreads via every speech, every week, everywhere, (he should get an Oscar too) of being a battery manufacturing hub for the world is embarrassing. Felix looks more like a fool each day the Manono opportunity goes by and is wasted.

So to answer your question in short, I think so, yes. And also because 18 is the usual timeline to complete an ICC case.

Cheers The Fox

I for one would be very concerned if indeed we are relying on the conclusion of the ICC cases to proceed with the project launch, with ML/FID and thus construction awaiting this closure. I just can't see the DRC government accepting that delay given the strategic nature of the project and FT's trumpeting to the heavens of his EV battery development plans. Following the verbiage released in the latest ministerial decrees about the project being held hostage due to the ownership disputes within Dathcom, this shot-across-the-bow was I think setting up the grounds for a potential outright stripping of the licence by the authorities in the national interest, should this look like it will drag on for an extended period without resolution. Or at least the government trying to promote some path forward, with a warning attached to reinforce the message.

Hopefully IMO we can at least use the likely outcomes of the ICC cases as the basis for a negotiated settlement that can move us all forward which, whilst unappealing, would at least reduce the likelihood of an outright AVZ collapse. Yes this may all be part of the Chinese plan, pushing us towards a deal as the lesser of two evils (which they are very good at), though the risk of a negative outcome for AVZ remains real. I dont really buy into the claim that the DRC won't dare oust us due to the message this would send to the wider international investment community. If they feel they need to in order to get the project moving, they will, and can present their national interest justifications until the furore dies down.

In any case I think we wouldn't necessarily be in a particularly bad position in a negotiation. We could probably reach an outcome which may satisfy most shareholders, paving the way to the resumption of Manono's development, though definitely not one that would please all here. I hope the email posted here that management were in the midst of negotiations is in fact the case, and that some sort of middle ground in weighted favor to AVZ could be found in the near term. Even though the government is largely at fault for our current predicament through its corrupt ministers supporting the hostile Chinese agenda, the wider government's 'patience' to leave Manono undeveloped probably also won't last forever, especially with those Chinese interests still being represented faithfully by the key actors we all know. FT doesn't seem in a rush to intervene either, so may be down to us.

 

[Samus]

What does this mean?
@Sammael - is it you that does great language translations of imaged text. Please share the App/process you use.
Thanks and br Sparrowhawk

Hi @Sparrowhawk12 it's just Google lens on my phone. A screenshot of the translated image.