AVZ Discussion 2022

[Remark]

exactly ; 'go hard, burn it to the ground' FMD; draw your own conclusions , but IMO we are very close now , after 10 months of BS. MoM calls Urgency ...Management are in Africa ; these memes , Gifs , French tweets etc etc have been going on for about 6 months + ..... asked to lay off all of a sudden .... so all of a sudden we have the actual answer and know what to 'go hard, burn it to the ground' ....even though logic prevails to the opposite imo

Maybe concentrate on the benefits AVZ / #Manono would bring to DRC for a week or so, if nothing happens then maybe back to your original targets

If someone keeps pissing on your back (Nige, Deboss, Jens, etc) and tells that it's raining even the most deluded SH would come to their senses and conclude that you're being pissed on.

We have no evidence to the contrary, just lies so far.

One more week and it will all be golden? A golden shower maybe?

 

[JasonM]

Just maybe, maybe negotiations are going on in the background. if they are, then why piss off the other side, it doesnt hurt to tone it down for one week. like one poster said, focus on the benefits of what AVZ can do for the DRC.

 

[marksmann007]

exactly ; 'go hard, burn it to the ground' FMD; draw your own conclusions , but IMO we are very close now , after 10 months of BS. MoM calls Urgency ...Management are in Africa ; these memes , Gifs , French tweets etc etc have been going on for about 6 months + ..... asked to lay off all of a sudden .... so all of a sudden we have the actual answer and know what to 'go hard, burn it to the ground' ....even though logic prevails to the opposite imo

Maybe concentrate on the benefits AVZ / #Manono would bring to DRC for a week or so, if nothing happens then maybe back to your original targets

I agree, the best strategy IMO would be to give it a week of highlighting AVZ’s achievements also benefits awaiting the people of the DRC & Manono once the ML is signed if it was AVZ management requesting to hold back this week, that’s good enough for me.

It‘s been a fantastic campaign you guys have waged thus far, brilliant effort!

If nothing comes of it in a week or so continue the cluster bombing.

 

[Panther22]

One week break. Comeback with all guns blazing next Tuesday.
Just my opinion.

 

[Roon]

Jens and others of his self-important ilk are their own worst enemy with their cryptic clues and pretensions that they're oh-so dialed into things, whilst at the same time getting 110% of their stated claims wrong. I think his hearts in the right place but is just easily convinced, and full of confirmation biases, particularly wanting to believe everything positive he's apparently told whilst ignoring everything else

But holding off a week can't hurt I guess. I would assume based on the memes point that should this be true it would be more about the ones like the Princess and others in jail holding a pineapple, or the MoP as a corruption frog rather than the legit work of Spike to draw attention to the facts.

In any case I like the poster's thought above of continuing the strategic comms but for the next week or two focusing instead on the benefits. Perhaps we could put together a few slick info graphs about AVZ's proposed social development plans drawn from our ASX releases on this subject and flooding them out there to juxtapose our intended good works against the nothing that would be the expected outcome if the Chinese win this shitfight and we have our licence stripped in their favour.

 

[Spikerama]

How confident are we that the lost tax counter is water tight accurate? Is there a possibility somewhere along the lines the number this is based on is not 100% accurate and concerns could be that its setting an unrealistic expectation on the company for the future?

Alright, well the tribe has spoken and there has been an amazing response from you all. Really good ideas and thought sharing. Nice to hear everyone's different sentiments towards the issue.

I think I will hold off just for this week and then go absolutely ape shit after that if there's no news. I can try to do some positive comms but it would have to be a different campaign as I have been very careful about not including AVZ in any of the comms so far apart from the counters and the silly ICC thing.

Not sure if I will have time to develop both.

Thanks everyone for feeding back. Too many good folk to mention but you know who you are. You're awesome!

 

[Winenut]

Personally I reckon there is fuck all credence to "things happening" this week and a call to tone down the campaign so as not to upset the applecart

Nevertheless I don't mind the idea of an AVZ positive campaign highlighting all the good things and benefits for the DRC Government and the Congolese people that will come from working with an honest Australian company rather than being absolutely rat-fucked by the likes of Zijin and co.

Edit: Sorry there @Spikerama I must have been typing while you posted your comment above

 

[CHB]

Personally I reckon there is fuck all credence to "things happening" this week and a call to tone down the campaign so as not to upset the applecart

Nevertheless I don't mind the idea of an AVZ positive campaign highlighting all the good things and benefits for the DRC Government and the Congolese people that will come from working with an honest Australian company rather than being absolutely rat-fucked by the likes of Zijin and co.

Edit: Sorry there @Spikerama I must have been typing while you posted your comment above

I think it's just someone's guess.

Spike seemed to think it was more related to the French President's visit as opposed to anything happening with AVZ

 

[Carlos Danger]

How confident are we that the lost tax counter is water tight accurate? Is there a possibility somewhere along the lines the number this is based on is not 100% accurate and concerns could be that its setting an unrealistic expectation on the company for the future?

The numbers are correct as per the DFS. Christian Lukusa quoted these exact figures when talking about this subject in the interview he did in September.

The actual loss of tax revenue for the DRC government is much higher than 300k USD per day considering the rise in spodumene price.

 

[timb89]

Alright, well the tribe has spoken and there has been an amazing response from you all. Really good ideas and thought sharing. Nice to hear everyone's different sentiments towards the issue.

I think I will hold off just for this week and then go absolutely ape shit after that if there's no news. I can try to do some positive comms but it would have to be a different campaign as I have been very careful about not including AVZ in any of the comms so far apart from the counters and the silly ICC thing.

Not sure if I will have time to develop both.

Thanks everyone for feeding back. Too many good folk to mention but you know who you are. You're awesome!

My two cents.

All communications should be geared towards the positive. I think the lost revenue counter is brilliant, but this should be the only form of negative communication.

I think the most effective bit of information we have at our disposal is the huge dot point list (I can't remember where it is) of all the actions AVZ has taken towards developing Manono says everything we need it to. This says all that is required to the detractors. Imagine a quick little gif that rattles of each of these dot points and starts or ends with "followed the mining code/anti bribery message".

 

[Uglybob]

Alright, well the tribe has spoken and there has been an amazing response from you all. Really good ideas and thought sharing. Nice to hear everyone's different sentiments towards the issue.

I think I will hold off just for this week and then go absolutely ape shit after that if there's no news. I can try to do some positive comms but it would have to be a different campaign as I have been very careful about not including AVZ in any of the comms so far apart from the counters and the silly ICC thing.

Not sure if I will have time to develop both.

Thanks everyone for feeding back. Too many good folk to mention but you know who you are. You're awesome!

Go to the top. Email AVZ/Nige and if they agree then it holds some merit. If they ask 'Jens who?' then you get a few bonus laughs...

 

[cruiser51]

I think it's just someone's guess.

Spike seemed to think it was more related to the French President's visit as opposed to anything happening with AVZ

How would you feel as president of a country being told in public in your face to look in your own country and clean up your fuckin mess, before going across the world lecturing every man and his dog, pointing fingers at everybody else bar you own corrupt to the bone government?

Wouldn't you be pissed off and trying to kick a couple of harmless heads?
He knows now that every man and his dog are having their eyes trained at the DRC shit show, which is very obvious being orchestrated by Being.
Which is attempting to operate the DRC like a puppet on a string.
FT's mandate was to clean up that fuckin mess, so far he has failed miserable.


One of his close advisers was seen by the entire world, trying to bribe the fuck out of companies, which are trying to operate in the DRC, being arrested and let off the hook, now playing disco duck in Brussels, paid for by bribe money. What a fucking joke.
The guy should have been placed against a wall and received a bullet between his fuckin eyes for his efforts.

Macron more or less said, wake up, pull your head out of your arse and show some back bone, kick the corrupt arseholes out and lead your country, that is your job.
You have had 3 years the time and have achieved sweet fuck all, other than getting a new globe trotting plane and sparkling heavy gold watch.
In the mean time 60% of the DRC population lives on less than US$3/day, while the Kinshasa elite is overdosing on blood sugar control medication.


Regarding Spike's campaign, it wouldn't hurt to get confirmed from the AVZ BOD's team, if the request to back off, or tone down is desirable at this stage.

 

[CHB]

How would you feel as president of a country being told in public in your face to look in your own country and clean up your fuckin mess, before going across the world lecturing every man and his dog, pointing fingers at everybody else bar you own corrupt to the bone government?

Wouldn't you be pissed off and trying to kick a couple of harmless heads?
He knows now that every man and his dog are having their eyes trained at the DRC shit show, which is very obvious being orchestrated by Being.
Which is attempting to operate the DRC like a puppet on a string.
FT's mandate was to clean up that fuckin mess, so far he has failed miserable.


One of his close advisers was seen by the entire world, trying to bribe the fuck out of companies, which are trying to operate in the DRC, being arrested and let off the hook, now playing disco duck in Brussels, paid for by bribe money. What a fucking joke.
The guy should have been placed against a wall and received a bullet between his fuckin eyes for his efforts.

Macron more or less said, wake up, pull your head out of your arse and show some back bone, kick the corrupt arseholes out and lead your country, that is your job.
You have had 3 years the time and have achieved sweet fuck all, other than getting a new globe trotting plane and sparkling heavy gold watch.
In the mean time 60% of the DRC population lives on less than US$3/day, while the Kinshasa elite is overdosing on blood sugar control medication.


Regarding Spike's campaign, it wouldn't hurt to get confirmed from the AVZ BOD's team, if the request to back off, or tone down is desirable at this stage.

Going by in action to date he might be happy to just try win next election and go get more frequent flyer miles.

BUT let's hope he starts cracking heads instead.

 

[Strongman]

OK so I've just been contacted by Jens Emil Soderlund on my twitter private message. He has asked me to lay off the so called "Memes" (they are not memes they are tactical comms). He said just lay off because the President is getting pissed off with them (embarrassing).

The request was to lay off just for this week. (obviously due to Macron visit). I told him I hadn't even started yet and have an entire campaign to roll out. But I'm happy to take a collective sense check from everyone in here to see what you reckon. Whether to let up for a bit.

I think the sore point is the Princess IGF piece. Apparently she is loved by her constituents and her people. And insulting her is not helping.

Anyway let me know.

Well you certainally woke everybody up here Spike . I think the majority here agree that the prudent thing to do here would be to email Nigel. If he is concerned he will respond quickly and if not then you probably wont get a reply. No idea who Jens is but as pointed out by some posters his predictions have not been to accurate. Only Nigel can give you the answer. I definately think an email and a weeks hold on the "tactical coms" to give nigel a chance to reply is the way to go. Concentrating on positives is more likely to result in positive outcomes. Getting the message to the people of the DRC about all the positive things we have acheived and will acheive in the future can only do good for us. Gunning for the Mop and Mom i think will acheive zip. Given Felix needs them for re-election is highly unlikely they will be removed. Concentrating on that prick DG of Cami and all his corrupt cronies plus all the imcompetent and corrupt fuckers in Cominiere is probably the way to go. In no way do i condone the apparent dodgy shit the ministers have apparently been involved in but cant see any point attacking Felix or Mop and Mom

 

[MoneyBags1348]

Pretty sure of two things:

Jens gets info from AVZ. Not surprised he’s been given wrong info since Mupande, Cong, Cominiere and other corrupt actors involved have all been lying and giving that same info to Nigel

Macron’s comments regarding Felix looking at corruption in the DRC was referring to the war in the north east involving M23 rebels, the militia and the long running corruption related to that rather than Felix blaming Rwanda for fighting

 

[ptlas]

Just maybe, maybe negotiations are going on in the background. if they are, then why piss off the other side, it doesnt hurt to tone it down for one week. like one poster said, focus on the benefits of what AVZ can do for the DRC.

If the other side had the time to read the posts, then they can't be taking negotiating very seriously.
As someone said, this was too coincidental with Macron's visit.

Sure, be slightly more tactical, but Jens is Mr BS.
The only person he had a direct line to is Billy Liar.

If BoD had contacted him then it is only because he is the most prominent poster and the most effective one to manipulate.

Just like Deboss at AGM.

Somebody is using his ego to play him. Same old, same old.

 

[Onthefm]

Well you certainally woke everybody up here Spike . I think the majority here agree that the prudent thing to do here would be to email Nigel. If he is concerned he will respond quickly and if not then you probably wont get a reply. No idea who Jens is but as pointed out by some posters his predictions have not been to accurate. Only Nigel can give you the answer. I definately think an email and a weeks hold on the "tactical coms" to give nigel a chance to reply is the way to go. Concentrating on positives is more likely to result in positive outcomes. Getting the message to the people of the DRC about all the positive things we have acheived and will acheive in the future can only do good for us. Gunning for the Mop and Mom i think will acheive zip. Given Felix needs them for re-election is highly unlikely they will be removed. Concentrating on that prick DG of Cami and all his corrupt cronies plus all the imcompetent and corrupt fuckers in Cominiere is probably the way to go. In no way do i condone the apparent dodgy shit the ministers have apparently been involved in but cant see any point attacking Felix or Mop and Mom

Not sure we need to put much shit on Jens it's alright (for me) to get a bit of positive feedback. Christ the nige has been wrong on every account for 2.5 years except the resource. So poor old Jens has a lot of catching up to do imo

 

[JNRB]

OK so I've just been contacted by Jens Emil Soderlund on my twitter private message. He has asked me to lay off the so called "Memes" (they are not memes they are tactical comms). He said just lay off because the President is getting pissed off with them (embarrassing).

The request was to lay off just for this week. (obviously due to Macron visit). I told him I hadn't even started yet and have an entire campaign to roll out. But I'm happy to take a collective sense check from everyone in here to see what you reckon. Whether to let up for a bit.

I think the sore point is the Princess IGF piece. Apparently she is loved by her constituents and her people. And insulting her is not helping.

Anyway let me know.

Tell him there is a planned 'reshuffle' of social media assets, that will be executed ' imminently '

 

[JNRB]

Personally I reckon there is fuck all credence to "things happening" this week and a call to tone down the campaign so as not to upset the applecart

Nevertheless I don't mind the idea of an AVZ positive campaign highlighting all the good things and benefits for the DRC Government and the Congolese people that will come from working with an honest Australian company rather than being absolutely rat-fucked by the likes of Zijin and co.

Edit: Sorry there @Spikerama I must have been typing while you posted your comment above

Maybe it can be a bit of both?
I'd love to see a scoreboard of how much has been invested into Manono
AVZ - $100mil
ZIJIN - $0

 

[Stockinvesting]

exactly ; 'go hard, burn it to the ground' FMD; draw your own conclusions , but IMO we are very close now , after 10 months of BS. MoM calls Urgency ...Management are in Africa ; these memes , Gifs , French tweets etc etc have been going on for about 6 months + ..... asked to lay off all of a sudden .... so all of a sudden we have the actual answer and know what to 'go hard, burn it to the ground' ....even though logic prevails to the opposite imo

Maybe concentrate on the benefits AVZ / #Manono would bring to DRC for a week or so, if nothing happens then maybe back to your original targets

How do we know management are in DRC? Where has the confirmation come from?
Last I heard, company neither confirms or denies locality of BOD.