AVZ Discussion 2022

Flight996

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Why sell?

Because once you actually, finally, after years of effort, secure the cow that provides the rivers of beautiful milk at any fucking time the dodgy fucking DRC Govt or some other quasi Govt prick or fucking dog on the take and up to their eyeballs in fucking brown paper bags can decide to fuck you right over, take your fucking cash cow, claim it as their own and compensate you by inserting a fucking pineapple in your anos

Re: anos

Did you really mean to write anos, which refers to Anos Voldigoad a misfit character in the anime "The Misfit of Demon King Academy"

This is an Anos Voldigoad:
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Or did you mistype anus?

This is an anus:
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As we can see, they are two very different things. You're welcome.
 
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‘The value of Manono is between $2.5b and $10b’
- Nigel at the 2024 AGM
$10b USD - 30% TAX = $7b USD

$7b USD x 1.6 (USDAUD) = $11.2b AUD

$11.2b AUD / 3.5b SOI = $3.20 AUD

Obvs a bidding war can change this but the max valuation set by the CEO just 4 months ago is $3.20 per share

From Franck Fwamba’s Twitter posts yesterday and Nigel’s comment about KoBold at the AGM it appears this wasn’t a friendly proposal at least originally so let’s see what they offer. Appropriate compensation is minimum the $6.2b USD value (Around $2 AUD per share using same methodologically as above) of Manono figure in AVZ’s court filings otherwise the gringos can jog on imo
 
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IMO.

I'd be surprised if we don't get an announcement
this week. Surely there's been enough media to warrant it.

The coverage to date has been solid. Not from random posters.

Bloomberg news.

Michael Bloomberg (just another billionaire) is tied in to KoBold through Bill Gates. They decided to release this information. Crickets from the BOD.

Nigel in the USA 2 weeks ago.

My thoughts are that a price has been agreed on and we're now just waiting on board/SH approval. How to get that? An announcement.
Then voting paraphernalia.

This will move very quickly. Felix has been left in no doubt as to what's required of him to get his house in order, or miss out on the biggest investment into his country to date.

GLTAH
 
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Bin59

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From the Equities Club this morning

AVZ’s Manono gets even messier — KoBold makes its move​

Last week, Donald Trump muscled into the AVZ Minerals' saga. This week, Bill Gates fancied a piece of the world's largest hard rock lithium deposit. The battle for Manono just went from wild to surreal.

The Gates-backed KoBold Metals has now thrown their hat into the ring, bidding for a majority stake in the monster Congolese lithium project. The US-based private company wants to buy in through Cominiere, the state-owned company with 30% of the asset.

The never ending saga of Manono. Source: Bloomberg

Why is this huge? KoBold is one of the most well-capitalised and technically sophisticated entrants in the critical minerals space. Their interest validates the scale and strategic importance of Manono.

Rarely has a mining asset become such a geopolitical prize. The US wants Manono out of Chinese hands, and Western governments are keenly aware of what's at stake - the world's largest hardrock lithium deposit in an increasingly lithium-hungry world.

With a resource of over 400Mt at 1.65% Li₂O, Manono remains one of the most coveted lithium assets on the planet. The fact that KoBold would enter this legal minefield speaks volumes about the deposit's significance.

KoBold would welcome the opportunity to develop the asset.
- KoBold Chief Legal Officer Sandy Alexander wrote to Congo President Felix Tshisekedi’s chief of staff in January 2025
The possibility of KoBold unlocking this asset with the technical and financial support of Silicon Valley's cleantech elite may accelerate development and revive stalled infrastructure planning.

The implications for AVZ shareholders are complex.

It's unlikely KoBold would buy out AVZ directly, as AVZ's equity interest in Manono has been under dispute since 2022. Instead, KoBold's deal appears aimed at acquiring control through Cominiere, effectively bypassing AVZ altogether. 🤔

Unfrotunately this raises the possibility that AVZ shareholders could be sidelined entirely,unless the company succeeds in international arbitration or reaches a negotiated settlement. Both of which are very possible outcomes.

If AVZ wins its case or forces a settlement, compensation could come from Cominiere, the DRC government, or potentially KoBold, depending on how many overlapping claims are resolved.

However, if KoBold moves forward and AVZ is unable to reassert its ownership stake, shareholders could be left holding equity in a company with no asset. The next 3–6 months are crucial, with arbitration outcomes and political negotiations likely to determine whether AVZ shareholders recover any value.

The Manono saga has now drawn in Chinese mining giants, the US government, a tech billionaire, and 21,000 stranded shareholders. The world's biggest lithium deposit has become a corporate and geopolitical battlefield.


The legal win last week was further validation in AVZ’s management to pursue Manono. Source: Reuters.com
 
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The Gates-backed KoBold Metals has now thrown their hat into the ring, bidding for a majority stake in the monster Congolese lithium project. The US-based private company wants to buy in through Cominiere, the state-owned company with 30% of the asset.

It's unlikely KoBold would buy out AVZ directly, as AVZ's equity interest in Manono has been under dispute since 2022. Instead, KoBold's deal appears aimed at acquiring control through Cominiere, effectively bypassing AVZ altogether.
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Panther22

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Ok I got this looking and functioning a bit better now and it works ok on Mobile too. I still need to work on the scrolling story (placeholders only on mobile) but at least we have this.


If anyone wants to PM me a screenshot of what it looks like on theirs please do I'd love to see in order to address any major issues. As it even changes for me on the various laptops and PC's I have around the house. Thanks.

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Love your work Spikerama.
 
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BRICK

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I've noticed this recurring pattern with some African governments: they beg for foreign investment beyond China, especially when it comes to developing resources until a smaller, successful player emerges. Suddenly, that success is seen as "taking advantage," without considering the risks taken, the hard work, and the expertise required to secure and develop those resources.

Once the groundwork is laid and the venture begins to yield results, the narrative shifts and they want the entire pie rather, which would have stopped any explorer even trying in the first place. Then they’re left wondering why investors are hesitant to return when there is a graveyard of ventures foiled by corruption.
The cycle probably is about the same as upgrading their private jets and rennovating their mansions in switzerland...
 
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CHB

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From the Equities Club this morning

AVZ’s Manono gets even messier — KoBold makes its move​

Last week, Donald Trump muscled into the AVZ Minerals' saga. This week, Bill Gates fancied a piece of the world's largest hard rock lithium deposit. The battle for Manono just went from wild to surreal.

The Gates-backed KoBold Metals has now thrown their hat into the ring, bidding for a majority stake in the monster Congolese lithium project. The US-based private company wants to buy in through Cominiere, the state-owned company with 30% of the asset.

The never ending saga of Manono. Source: Bloomberg

Why is this huge? KoBold is one of the most well-capitalised and technically sophisticated entrants in the critical minerals space. Their interest validates the scale and strategic importance of Manono.

Rarely has a mining asset become such a geopolitical prize. The US wants Manono out of Chinese hands, and Western governments are keenly aware of what's at stake - the world's largest hardrock lithium deposit in an increasingly lithium-hungry world.

With a resource of over 400Mt at 1.65% Li₂O, Manono remains one of the most coveted lithium assets on the planet. The fact that KoBold would enter this legal minefield speaks volumes about the deposit's significance.

KoBold would welcome the opportunity to develop the asset.
- KoBold Chief Legal Officer Sandy Alexander wrote to Congo President Felix Tshisekedi’s chief of staff in January 2025
The possibility of KoBold unlocking this asset with the technical and financial support of Silicon Valley's cleantech elite may accelerate development and revive stalled infrastructure planning.

The implications for AVZ shareholders are complex.

It's unlikely KoBold would buy out AVZ directly, as AVZ's equity interest in Manono has been under dispute since 2022. Instead, KoBold's deal appears aimed at acquiring control through Cominiere, effectively bypassing AVZ altogether. 🤔

Unfrotunately this raises the possibility that AVZ shareholders could be sidelined entirely,unless the company succeeds in international arbitration or reaches a negotiated settlement. Both of which are very possible outcomes.

If AVZ wins its case or forces a settlement, compensation could come from Cominiere, the DRC government, or potentially KoBold, depending on how many overlapping claims are resolved.

However, if KoBold moves forward and AVZ is unable to reassert its ownership stake, shareholders could be left holding equity in a company with no asset. The next 3–6 months are crucial, with arbitration outcomes and political negotiations likely to determine whether AVZ shareholders recover any value.

The Manono saga has now drawn in Chinese mining giants, the US government, a tech billionaire, and 21,000 stranded shareholders. The world's biggest lithium deposit has become a corporate and geopolitical battlefield.


The legal win last week was further validation in AVZ’s management to pursue Manono. Source: Reuters.com
This article seems to contradict the letter that was sent?
 
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Xerof

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This article seems to contradict the letter that was sent?
If DATHCOM is reinstated as the holder of the tenement, then a TO would need to buy COMINIERE's share (although I agree it's not 30%)

The letter simply stated they didn't want COMINIERE as a partner in the eventual JV

I think the situation is very convoluted and there will be many steps in the process, but I'm not the one who is going to lay it out, as I have no fucking idea how it plays out
 
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Winenut

Go AVZ!
Re: anos

Did you really mean to write anos, which refers to Anos Voldigoad a misfit character in the anime "The Misfit of Demon King Academy"

This is an Anos Voldigoad:
View attachment 79973

Or did you mistype anus?

This is an anus:
View attachment 79974

As we can see, they are two very different things. You're welcome.
I actually wrote “anos” as in the specific pronunciation by Borat when describing that part of the human anatomy…just sounds funnier than anus 🤣😲

Or maybe it should have been more “ah-noose”?
 
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M.Bison

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From the Equities Club this morning

AVZ’s Manono gets even messier — KoBold makes its move​

Last week, Donald Trump muscled into the AVZ Minerals' saga. This week, Bill Gates fancied a piece of the world's largest hard rock lithium deposit. The battle for Manono just went from wild to surreal.

The Gates-backed KoBold Metals has now thrown their hat into the ring, bidding for a majority stake in the monster Congolese lithium project. The US-based private company wants to buy in through Cominiere, the state-owned company with 30% of the asset.

The never ending saga of Manono. Source: Bloomberg

Why is this huge? KoBold is one of the most well-capitalised and technically sophisticated entrants in the critical minerals space. Their interest validates the scale and strategic importance of Manono.

Rarely has a mining asset become such a geopolitical prize. The US wants Manono out of Chinese hands, and Western governments are keenly aware of what's at stake - the world's largest hardrock lithium deposit in an increasingly lithium-hungry world.

With a resource of over 400Mt at 1.65% Li₂O, Manono remains one of the most coveted lithium assets on the planet. The fact that KoBold would enter this legal minefield speaks volumes about the deposit's significance.

KoBold would welcome the opportunity to develop the asset.
- KoBold Chief Legal Officer Sandy Alexander wrote to Congo President Felix Tshisekedi’s chief of staff in January 2025
The possibility of KoBold unlocking this asset with the technical and financial support of Silicon Valley's cleantech elite may accelerate development and revive stalled infrastructure planning.

The implications for AVZ shareholders are complex.

It's unlikely KoBold would buy out AVZ directly, as AVZ's equity interest in Manono has been under dispute since 2022. Instead, KoBold's deal appears aimed at acquiring control through Cominiere, effectively bypassing AVZ altogether. 🤔

Unfrotunately this raises the possibility that AVZ shareholders could be sidelined entirely,unless the company succeeds in international arbitration or reaches a negotiated settlement. Both of which are very possible outcomes.

If AVZ wins its case or forces a settlement, compensation could come from Cominiere, the DRC government, or potentially KoBold, depending on how many overlapping claims are resolved.

However, if KoBold moves forward and AVZ is unable to reassert its ownership stake, shareholders could be left holding equity in a company with no asset. The next 3–6 months are crucial, with arbitration outcomes and political negotiations likely to determine whether AVZ shareholders recover any value.

The Manono saga has now drawn in Chinese mining giants, the US government, a tech billionaire, and 21,000 stranded shareholders. The world's biggest lithium deposit has become a corporate and geopolitical battlefield.


The legal win last week was further validation in AVZ’s management to pursue Manono. Source: Reuters.com
What a strange point for them to make regarding Avz being sidelined. Kobold are obviously not going to make a takeover bid just for the pleasure of having a resource that’s still stuck in the courts. Hence the suggestion by kobold that Avz need to be fairly compensated.
Sidelining Avz doesn’t fit at all into the narrative being reported that kobold want to resolve the dispute.
 
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Frank

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Mining: Out-of-court settlement recommended for Australian AVZ penalties (Extractive Industries Analyst)

An extractive industries analyst recommended an amicable settlement to the dispute between Cominière (a Congolese state-owned company) and the Australian company over the payment of "USD 42 million in penalties following a resolution by an international commercial court," the ACP learned in an interview on Friday, March 21, 2025.

"The most likely scenario in this case is an amicable settlement. :unsure:

I recommend that the authorities prioritize an amicable settlement with the Australian company AVZ Mineralis over the payment of USD 42 million in penalties following a resolution by an international commercial court," said Jean-Pierre Okenda, Extractive Industries Governance Analyst.

According to him, the amicable settlement will surely lead to a satisfactory compromise to resolve the award following the decision of the International Chamber of Commerce (ICC) Court in Paris regarding the dispute between Cominière, a Congolese state-owned company, to pay "USD 42 million" to AVZ Mineralis.


In October 2023, Zijin Mining, a Chinese company, was invited to collaborate with Cominière, a DRC state-owned company, in the exploration and development of virgin lands in the northeast of the Manono lithium mine located in the Manono region of Tanganyika province, where part of this mining concession was previously occupied by a joint venture composed of Avz Mineralis, Dathcom, and others.

"There is a significant risk that the portion that is transferred will not benefit us as Congolese citizens, and there is also a risk that even the remaining portion, which belongs to Dathcom, Avz Mineralis, and others, will not benefit the state.

The issue is what we are willing to waste, to sell off this mining concession when it is of crucial importance to the country,"
the analyst explained.

In this dispute, the Paris ICC court determined that Cominière had repeatedly violated the emergency orders and is currently required to pay €39,125,000 (USD 42 million), an amount that could continue to accumulate if Cominière persists in its refusal, it was noted.

According to the analyst, the cause of this disorder was the creation of arbitration procedures and litigations that have political motivations and are focused on the interests of the representatives or politicians, stressing that such situations lead to enormous losses of income and resources.


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Azzler

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I like Grok for travel itinerary advice, but don't forget it is Musk's platform, so it probably has an algorithm when it comes to valuing lithium resources when asked questions about the value of something Musk want to obtain
Clearly you don't know much about Elon Musk.
However what you propose is understandable suspicion in the market place these days.
 
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What a strange point for them to make regarding Avz being sidelined. Kobold are obviously not going to make a takeover bid just for the pleasure of having a resource that’s still stuck in the courts. Hence the suggestion by kobold that Avz need to be fairly compensated.
Sidelining Avz doesn’t fit at all into the narrative being reported that kobold want to resolve the dispute.
Yeah it doesn’t match up with the White House’s reported comments either which in my view are key for establishing confidence in the DRC business climate for the gringos. And it’s impossible for KoBold to buy a majority holding from Cominiere that holds 25% (not 30%) of the project unless they plan to continue on the basis that the Dathcom JVA has been legally dissolved which in unlikely. But it is possible that KoBold is seeking another deal if the valuation they verbally put on offer wasn’t palatable to AVZ management during their recent trip to gringoland (therefore no need for it to be submitted in writing) imo
 
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Shire

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$10b USD - 30% TAX = $7b USD

$7b USD x 1.6 (USDAUD) = $11.2b AUD

$11.2b AUD / 3.5b SOI = $3.20 AUD

Obvs a bidding war can change this but the max valuation set by the CEO just 4 months ago is $3.20 per share

From Franck Fwamba’s Twitter posts yesterday and Nigel’s comment about KoBold at the AGM it appears this wasn’t a friendly proposal at least originally so let’s see what they offer. Appropriate compensation is minimum the $6.2b USD value (Around $2 AUD per share using same methodologically as above) of Manono figure in AVZ’s court filings otherwise the gringos can jog on imo
Hey Carlos,

There was some talk on X about the DRC waving the sale tax for all their shitfuckery…..I guess we could even wave the ICC partial award fines.
 
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Winenut

Go AVZ!
$10b USD - 30% TAX = $7b USD

$7b USD x 1.6 (USDAUD) = $11.2b AUD

$11.2b AUD / 3.5b SOI = $3.20 AUD

Obvs a bidding war can change this but the max valuation set by the CEO just 4 months ago is $3.20 per share

From Franck Fwamba’s Twitter posts yesterday and Nigel’s comment about KoBold at the AGM it appears this wasn’t a friendly proposal at least originally so let’s see what they offer. Appropriate compensation is minimum the $6.2b USD value (Around $2 AUD per share using same methodologically as above) of Manono figure in AVZ’s court filings otherwise the gringos can jog on imo
Hey Carlos,

There was some talk on X about the DRC waving the sale tax for all their shitfuckery…..I guess we could even wave the ICC partial award fines.

New calc

$10b USD - no tax = $10b USD

$10b USD x 1.6 (USDAUD) = $16b AUD

$16b AUD / 3.5b SOI = $4.57 AUD

$4.57 AUD x 4.2352 (verified and confirmed shit fucker premium) x 0.62 (convert back to USD) = USD $12...$12....$12!!!

Apologies to @Spikerama for quoting a price target :oops:
 
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From the Equities Club this morning

AVZ’s Manono gets even messier — KoBold makes its move​

Last week, Donald Trump muscled into the AVZ Minerals' saga. This week, Bill Gates fancied a piece of the world's largest hard rock lithium deposit. The battle for Manono just went from wild to surreal.

The Gates-backed KoBold Metals has now thrown their hat into the ring, bidding for a majority stake in the monster Congolese lithium project. The US-based private company wants to buy in through Cominiere, the state-owned company with 30% of the asset.

The never ending saga of Manono. Source: Bloomberg

Why is this huge? KoBold is one of the most well-capitalised and technically sophisticated entrants in the critical minerals space. Their interest validates the scale and strategic importance of Manono.

Rarely has a mining asset become such a geopolitical prize. The US wants Manono out of Chinese hands, and Western governments are keenly aware of what's at stake - the world's largest hardrock lithium deposit in an increasingly lithium-hungry world.

With a resource of over 400Mt at 1.65% Li₂O, Manono remains one of the most coveted lithium assets on the planet. The fact that KoBold would enter this legal minefield speaks volumes about the deposit's significance.

KoBold would welcome the opportunity to develop the asset.
- KoBold Chief Legal Officer Sandy Alexander wrote to Congo President Felix Tshisekedi’s chief of staff in January 2025
The possibility of KoBold unlocking this asset with the technical and financial support of Silicon Valley's cleantech elite may accelerate development and revive stalled infrastructure planning.

The implications for AVZ shareholders are complex.

It's unlikely KoBold would buy out AVZ directly, as AVZ's equity interest in Manono has been under dispute since 2022. Instead, KoBold's deal appears aimed at acquiring control through Cominiere, effectively bypassing AVZ altogether. 🤔

Unfrotunately this raises the possibility that AVZ shareholders could be sidelined entirely,unless the company succeeds in international arbitration or reaches a negotiated settlement. Both of which are very possible outcomes.

If AVZ wins its case or forces a settlement, compensation could come from Cominiere, the DRC government, or potentially KoBold, depending on how many overlapping claims are resolved.

However, if KoBold moves forward and AVZ is unable to reassert its ownership stake, shareholders could be left holding equity in a company with no asset. The next 3–6 months are crucial, with arbitration outcomes and political negotiations likely to determine whether AVZ shareholders recover any value.

The Manono saga has now drawn in Chinese mining giants, the US government, a tech billionaire, and 21,000 stranded shareholders. The world's biggest lithium deposit has become a corporate and geopolitical battlefield.


The legal win last week was further validation in AVZ’s management to pursue Manono. Source: Reuters.com
In that case our ICSID case runs its full measure. $10bn, plus the accumulated financial penalties, thanks.
 
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Azzler

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The Equities Club malakas got called out and had to re-write their story.

We are definitely in the endgame now if this unheard of practice has just happened
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