oxxa23
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Assuming that's what xerof meant... I would have gone with ny or NYC... but maybe my guess to his reference is wrongWhy isn't just NY?
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I don't really believe the DRC government cares. Isn't there an arrest warrant out for Eric Allard?
Dijon101
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"Serge Ngandu told him that the platform is not convenient to discuss partnership issues as things are dealt at the high level of the government....."
Things are dealt with at the high level of government.!
Avz obviously knew celestin would get up and object. Instead of engaging with him, Serge was completely dismissive. Perfect response.
Franck is correct, celestin has the right to speak and defend his company.
Cominiere are a broke corrupt low level organisation. It does sound like Celestin is desperate and commiere are now on the outer.
Things are dealt with at the high level of government.!
Avz obviously knew celestin would get up and object. Instead of engaging with him, Serge was completely dismissive. Perfect response.
Franck is correct, celestin has the right to speak and defend his company.
Cominiere are a broke corrupt low level organisation. It does sound like Celestin is desperate and commiere are now on the outer.
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Cominiere must be on the outer otherwise why are they and zinjin taking AVZ to court for loss of earnings ?
CKK is a desperate man . He's being held over a barrel by Zijin . He's taken their money and delivered them nothing . AVZ have refused to engage with him and it's driving him mental and the ICC is going to have his guts for garters . The poor little f--k tard has created a world of pain for himself .
Don’t forget Zijin have clearly demonstrated that interactions have been recorded. They’d be driving CKK with a very big stick so I don’t expect him to move on his position at all until ousted
maybe so, but seems no sign of any resolution to this mess is in sight.
Dijon101
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With AVZ proving that Zijin was never part of the JV.
In my opinion "if" cominiere were being involved in
current discussions with high level of Government, and hes chosen this forums q&a as a platform to raise objections he's got serious issues and is in deep shit.
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marksmann007
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The attempted sabotage & heckling from the audience sidelines by snake boy CKK is an act of a desperate man.
On a world stage it’s a total embarrassment to the DRC government.
On a world stage it’s a total embarrassment to the DRC government.
Dijon101
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He can shout all he wants from his puppet organisation if Cominiere has become irrelevant.
Maybe, maybe not. I'd say progress is being made.
New partnerships being forged with Europe, south Korea, Japan, and the USA with real money being invested.
Less reliance on China as the DRC's only investor.
Involvement of the UN's anticorruption body.
Zero talk from Zijin
Celestin desperately trying to stay relevant.
There is alot of evidence besides the above that progress is being made.
Wish it was faster as I need these funds to open a bar, but it is what it is.
Xerof
High Hopes 1994
Thanks all for the interest in my use of NYK as the whereabouts of Nigel
I left out an F and a T, so the full acronym is NFYTK, which means not for you to know, but I thought I'd throw you off the trail anyway by insinuating New York
My bad
Someone asked 'who gave CKK a microphone'
Well, if @MoneyBags1348 research was correct, our old mate Felix from CAMI has a role to play in the organisation that runs these conferences, so I'll let you have one fucking guess
I left out an F and a T, so the full acronym is NFYTK, which means not for you to know, but I thought I'd throw you off the trail anyway by insinuating New York
My bad
Someone asked 'who gave CKK a microphone'
Well, if @MoneyBags1348 research was correct, our old mate Felix from CAMI has a role to play in the organisation that runs these conferences, so I'll let you have one fucking guess
oxxa23
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I liked Nigel being in new York with Felix more....
Uglybob
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I like that an AVZ slide deck is stating 75% ownership, but does that constitute an official confirmation that's it's all true, said and done?
It's good to have some reassurance, but I'll still be waiting for an official announcement confirming things.
Also good to see the Cominiere Clown is finally heading towards a long awaited fall.
It's good to have some reassurance, but I'll still be waiting for an official announcement confirming things.
Also good to see the Cominiere Clown is finally heading towards a long awaited fall.
Dijon101
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The whole presentation is in an ASX announcement.
Carlos Danger
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One of the best things that Wikileaks ever released was the embassy cables. It often gets overlooked by their more high profile leaks but it offers a rare insight into how the gringos really conduct diplomacy. My favourite cable is from the ambassador to Kyrgyzstan in 2008 discussing Jeffrey Epstein's bestie Prince Andrew's behaviour at a meeting about western investment in the mining sector.
The US ambassador to the DRC was at the forum last night. I wonder what she will tell Washington in her cable about how AVZ is being treated and the impact on decisions regarding funding the Lobito corridor that will have.
Cable: 08BISHKEK1095_a
wikileaks.org
Classified By: Amb. Tatiana Gfoeller, Reason 1.4 (b) and (d). 1. (C)
SUMMARY: On October 28, the Ambassador participated in a two-hour brunch to brief HRH the Duke of York ahead of his meetings with the Kyrgyz Prime Minister and other high-level officials. She was the only non-subject of the United Kingdom or the Commonwealth invited to participate by the British Ambassador to the Kyrgyz Republic. Other participants included major British investors in Kyrgyzstan and the Canadian operator of the Kumtor mine. The discussion covered the investment climate for Western firms in the Kyrgyz Republic, the problem of corruption, the revival of the "Great Game," Russian and Chinese influence in the country, and the Prince's personal views on promoting British economic interests. Astonishingly candid, the discussion at times verged on the rude (from the British side). END SUMMARY.
2. (C) British Ambassador to the Kyrgyz Republic Paul Brummell invited the Ambassador to participate in briefing His Royal Highness Prince Andrew, the Duke of York, ahead of his October 28 meetings with Kyrgyz Prime Minister Igor Chudinov and other high-level officials. The Prince was in Kyrgyzstan to promote British economic interests. Originally scheduled to last an hour over brunch, the briefing ended up lasting two hours, thanks to the super-engaged Prince's pointed questions. The Ambassador was the only participant who was not a British subject or linked to the Commonwealth. The absence of her French and German colleagues was notable; they were apparently not invited despite being fellow members of the European Union. Others included major British investors in Kyrgyzstan and the Canadian operator of the Kumtor mine.
"YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE ROUGH WITH THE SMOOTH"
3. (C) The discussion was kicked off by the president of the Canadian-run Kumtor mine, who described at length his company's travails of trying to negotiate a revised mining concession that provides a greater stake in Kumtor's parent company to the Kyrgyz government in exchange for a simplified tax regime and an expanded concession. He was followed by the representative of the British owner of Kyrgyzneftigas, who explained his company's role in Kyrgyz oil exploration and production, as well as doing his share of complaining of being harassed and hounded by Kyrgyz tax authorities. One example he gave was that a Kyrgyz shareholder was now suing the company, saying that his "human rights" were being violated by the terms of his shareholders' agreement.
4. (C) The Prince reacted with unmitigated patriotic fervor. To his credit, he diligently tried to understand the Kyrgyz point view. However, when participants explained that some Kyrgyz feel that they were "unfairly" led in the 1990s to sign unfavorable contracts with Westerners, he evinced no sympathy. "A contract is a contract," he insisted. "You have to take the rough with the smooth."
"ALL OF THIS SOUNDS EXACTLY LIKE FRANCE"
5. (C) After having half-heartedly danced around the topic for a bit, only mentioning "personal interests" in pointed fashion, the business representatives then plunged into describing what they see as the appallingly high state of corruption in the Kyrgyz economy. While claiming that all of them never participated in it and never gave out bribes, one representative of a middle-sized company stated that "It is sometimes an awful temptation." In an astonishing display of candor in a public hotel where the brunch was taking place, all of the businessmen then chorused that nothing gets done in Kyrgyzstan if President Bakiyev's son Maxim does not get "his cut." Prince Andrew took up the topic with gusto, saying that he keeps hearing Maxim's name "over and over again" whenever he discusses doing business in this country. Emboldened, one businessman said that doing business here is "like doing business in the Yukon" in the nineteenth century, i.e. only those willing to participate in local corrupt practices are able to make any money. His colleagues all heartily agreed, with one pointing out that "nothing ever changes here. Before all you heard was Akayev's son's name. Now it's Bakiyev's son's name." At this point the Duke of York laughed uproariously, saying that: "All of this sounds exactly like France."
6. (C) The Prince then turned to the Ambassador for an American take on the situation. The Ambassador described American business interests in the country, which range from large investments such as the Hyatt hotel and the Katel telecommunications company to smaller investments in a range of sectors. She stated that part of the problem with business conditions in Kyrgyzstan was the rapid turnover in government positions. Some reacted to their short tenures in a corrupt manner, wanting to "steal while they can" until they were turned out of office. While noting the need for greater transparency in doing business, she recounted that she had hosted the American Chamber of Commerce's Members Day last week (attended by the Foreign Minister and the Deputy Minister of Trade and Commerce) which had been widely attended and a resounding success (see reftel). She then described the beneficial impact on the Kyrgyz economy of the Coalition Air Base at Manas Airport.
"YOU HAVE TO CURE YOURSELF OF ANOREXIA"
7. (C) With a mock groan, the Duke of York then exclaimed: "My God, what am I supposed to tell these people?!" More seriously, he invited his guests to suggest ways Kyrgyzstan's economic prospects and attractiveness could be improved. Everyone agreed that in his talks with the Prime Minister and others, he should emphasize the rule of law, and long-term stability.
8. (C) Agreeing with the Ambassador's point about rapid government turnover, they urged him to impress upon his hosts the importance of predictability and the sanctity of contracts in order to attract more Western investment. At the same time, they pointed out that none of this was necessary to attract Russian, Kazakh, or Chinese investments. It appeared to them that the Kyrgyz were satisfied with their level and on the verge of "not bothering" with making the necessary improvements to attract Western investments. Returning to what is obviously a favorite theme, Prince Andrew cracked: "They won't need to make any changes to attract the French either!" Again turning thoughtful, the Prince mused that outsiders could do little to change the culture of corruption here. "They themselves have to have a change of heart. Just like you have to cure yourself of anorexia. No one else can do it for you."
PLAYING THE GREAT GAME (BY EXTENSION THE AMERICANS TOO)
9. (C) Addressing the Ambassador directly, Prince Andrew then turned to regional politics. He stated baldly that "the United Kingdom, Western Europe (and by extension you Americans too") were now back in the thick of playing the Great Game. More animated than ever, he stated cockily: "And this time we aim to win!" Without contradicting him, the Ambassador gently reminded him that the United States does not see its presence in the region as a continuation of the Great Game. We support Kyrgyzstan's independence and sovereignty but also welcome good relations between it and all of its neighbors, including Russia.
10. (C) The Prince pounced at the sound of that name. He told the Ambassador that he was a frequent visitor to Central Asia and the Caucasus and had noticed a marked increase in Russian pressure and concomitant anxiety among the locals post-August events in Georgia. He stated the following story related to him recently by Azerbaijan's President Aliyev. Aliyev had received a letter from President Medvedev telling him that if Azerbaijan supported the designation of the Bolshevik artificial famine in Ukraine as "genocide" at the United Nations, "then you can forget about seeing Nagorno-Karabakh ever again." Prince Andrew added that every single other regional President had told him of receiving similar "directive" letters from Medvedev except for Bakiyev. He asked the Ambassador if Bakiyev had received something similar as well. The Ambassador answered that she was not aware of any such letter.
11. (C) The Duke then stated that he was very worried about Russia's resurgence in the region. As an example, he cited the recent Central Asian energy and water-sharing deal (septel), which he claimed to know had been "engineered by Russia, who finally pounded her fist on the table and everyone fell into line." (NOTE: Interestingly, the Turkish Ambassador to the Kyrgyz Republic recently described her analysis of the deal to the Ambassador in strikingly similar language. END NOTE.)
12. (C) Showing that he is an equal-opportunity Great Game player, HRH then turned to the topic of China. He recounted that when he had recently asked the President of Tajikistan what he thought of growing Chinese influence in Central Asia, the President had responded "with language I won't use in front of ladies." His interlocutors told the Prince that while Russians are generally viewed sympathetically throughout the region, the Chinese are not. He nodded, terming Chinese economic and possibly other expansion in the region "probably inevitable, but a menace."
RUDE LANGUAGE A LA BRITISH
13. (C) The brunch had already lasted almost twice its allotted time, but the Prince looked like he was just getting started. Having exhausted the topic of Kyrgyzstan, he turned to the general issue of promoting British economic interests abroad. He railed at British anti-corruption investigators, who had had the "idiocy" of almost scuttling the Al-Yamama deal with Saudi Arabia. (NOTE: The Duke was referencing an investigation, subsequently closed, into alleged kickbacks a senior Saudi royal had received in exchange for the multi-year, lucrative BAE Systems contract to provide equipment and training to Saudi security forces. END NOTE.) His mother's subjects seated around the table roared their approval. He then went on to "these (expletive) journalists, especially from the National Guardian, who poke their noses everywhere" and (presumably) make it harder for British businessmen to do business. The crowd practically clapped. He then capped this off with a zinger: castigating "our stupid (sic) British and American governments which plan at best for ten years whereas people in this part of the world plan for centuries." There were calls of "hear, hear" in the private brunch hall. Unfortunately for the assembled British subjects, their cherished Prince was now late to the Prime Minister's. He regretfully tore himself away from them and they from him. On the way out, one of them confided to the Ambassador: "What a wonderful representative for the British people! We could not be prouder of our royal family!"
14. (C) COMMENT: Prince Andrew reached out to the Ambassador with cordiality and respect, evidently valuing her insights. However, he reacted with almost neuralgic patriotism whenever any comparison between the United States and United Kingdom came up. For example, one British businessman noted that despite the "overwhelming might of the American economy compared to ours" the amount of American and British investment in Kyrgyzstan was similar. Snapped the Duke: "No surprise there. The Americans don't understand geography. Never have. In the U.K., we have the best geography teachers in the world!" END COMMENT.
MoneyBags1348
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To be honest X, I don’t know if Mupande still has anything to do with the VUKA GROUP but my guess is no, and any role between them and CAMI would now be taken up the new DG of CAMI
I’ll tell you what surprises me though, is the shareholders who don’t seem to understand how clear instructions are and how easy it is to vote online before an AGM.
Even though some shareholders probably just tear up the letter they receive in the mail or don’t read it if it comes by email, the process is clear and easy to follow and this year it’s more important to vote because of the corrupt Chinese puppet nominees that are trying to usurp us.
When I get my letter (or email) I’ll post instructions here…. For those who haven’t voted before, you’ll be surprised how easy it is
Azzler
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You can vote on AGM resolutions at Automic website. https://www.automicgroup.com.au/
If you aren't registered at Automic its simple to create an account and link your shareholdings.
When the time comes you can cast your vote there.
If you aren't registered at Automic its simple to create an account and link your shareholdings.
When the time comes you can cast your vote there.
Dijon101
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@Carlos Danger
You could also say that the USA would not be pledging to invest $15B (? please correct me here if i'm wrong) into the DRC mining sector if the AVZ resolution was not close.
totally more speculation and dot joining here by me.
You could also say that the USA would not be pledging to invest $15B (? please correct me here if i'm wrong) into the DRC mining sector if the AVZ resolution was not close.
totally more speculation and dot joining here by me.
If you have an opportunity to select the chair as a proxy, why can't you take the opportunity to vote a BIG NO for the nomination?
Ashlee
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Exactly I can’t believe how people can turn a simple process of voting into such a big Deal simply Vote NO.
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