AVZ Discussion 2022

[Der Geist]

So why the extra information.

Well observed

 

[ptlas]

$12

US$

 

[MoneyBags1348]

Dreddb0t has language like this for a bit of fun. As you might guess from the name… Dredd. Nobody is hardly about to be permanently banned from just a single post being moderated. And even if there was numerous, the bans or mutings are temporary. It takes a great many moderations before Dreddb0t to hand out a permanent ban.

So to the poster who was concerned, “take a joke” - the language is simply themed like Judge Dredd but rest assured it’s not going to spray your brain matter over the wall over a single infringement, like the real Judge Dredd.

Having a bit of fun threatening posters that you will ban them permanently.... How about you leave this post here then zeebots

The long term genuine shareholders that have contributed information on this forum over the last year, as well as the long term genuine shareholder's that can't contribute because they had to go back to work (but they come here looking for information) are the ones that suffer because trolls like peter clark, and 'the goose' and 'john weed' (who I doubt even hold AVZ shares) have weaseled in here with their squirmy little one line smarmy remarks to nearly every poster here who has contributed over the last year

No wonder so many have decided to post their comments on twitter rather than here, and it's pretty obvious the support that twitter has gathered and the impact it has made helping our cause.

Forget the AI comments, your role looks like it's becoming artificial and your even talking about yourself in the third person

Final comments from me:

Nigel has previously valued the company at over $9 Billion just to clarify the estimates that have been discussed lately. That was only based on 4mtpa and getting the ML, not including financial close, ramped up production, the pls plant etc. Pilbara Minerals is currently valued at $14 Billion

Other comment is to the goose who seems to think management won't talk to me

 

[zeeb0t]

Having a bit of fun threatening posters that you will ban them permanently.... How about you leave this post here then zeebots

The long term genuine shareholders that have contributed information on this forum over the last year, as well as the long term genuine shareholder's that can't contribute because they had to go back to work (but they come here looking for information) are the ones that suffer because trolls like peter clark, and 'the goose' and 'john weed' (who I doubt even hold AVZ shares) have weaseled in here with their squirmy little one line smarmy remarks to nearly every poster here who has contributed over the last year

No wonder so many have decided to post their comments on twitter rather than here, and it's pretty obvious the support that twitter has gathered and the impact it has made helping our cause.

Forget the AI comments, your role looks like it's becoming artificial and your even talking about yourself in the third person

Final comments from me:

Nigel has previously valued the company at over $9 Billion just to clarify the estimates that have been discussed lately. That was only based on 4mtpa and getting the ML, not including financial close, ramped up production, the pls plant etc. Pilbara Minerals is currently valued at $14 Billion

Other comment is to the goose who seems to think management won't talk to me


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Dreddb0t is a persona for the AI. An avatar, if you will. Not myself.

I’ve said enough on this topic. If you don’t appreciate an even application of rules on reported posts and won’t report posts yourself, this is less my problem and more yours. I’m not going to entertain further discussion as it seems like it’ll be getting nowhere at this rate. You can contact me directly if you’d like. Thanks.

 

[Misfits]

 

[smileatme]

Wow just returning to the forum after taking a month away on holiday, and what a grade-A shitshow! Seems to have devolved somewhat..

Personally, after reading allll these pages and the announcements issued since i took a travel-based mental-health breather (which admittedly focused largely on alcohol consumption) I think Zijin and Cominiere coming together on this latest ICC action is likely a further expression of a simple yet multi-pronged strategy previously mentioned:

1. To allow Zijin to be seen as a cooperative actor with Cominiere, underpinning its claim that a new JV between it and the Government would progress this strategic Project - as "we are already working together against the culprit stalling the Project".

2. To allow Zijin to fund and support Cominiere at the ICC, including by managing its legal team, giving it a better hope of success amidst its typical uselessness, and avoiding its concerns at being unable to pay its way. Its not Zijin's first rodeo at using the legal system to stall, steal a project or undermine an opponent! Likely also presents another path for transmission of snacks if necessary, as an aside.

3. To allow more imminent ICC cases to be wrapped up into a later submitted umbrella case, pushing back the window again to post 2024 at earliest. Im convinced we will see such an attempt come to pass. This would mark part of what I assume is now their grand strategic plan of delayance, in which they are likely to bombard the government along with the Chinese authorities and their suborned DRC agents (aka MoP/CAMI/Cominiere et al) that the only way to get this very important Project moving is by removal of whom they portray as the blocking actor. I have seen firm indicators of this in all the Cominiere and Zijin statements and letters, which were unfortunately also echoed in the MoM's cancelation decree.

4: Connected to the above, ensuring that Zijin have access to an ICC case against AVZ that it can use to delay us into dust, in consideration that its initial challenge was likely to be thrown out due to jurisdictional issues in July/Aug.

Regarding the Zijin/Com inclusion of a 'value' as set by its damages claim, this could potentially be seen a statement of lost revenue due to 'AVZ's delay', as reflected against the timeline set in the DFS as to first sale of product if these disputes hadn't erupted. Just a theory.

But anyway this is where I see this game moving, and I think Cominiere's efforts (seemingly with CAMI involvement) to simple oust AVZ or reassign 13359 to Cominiere is part of this plan coming together. I think we all know examples of where governments have stripped licenses of those they claim weren't progressing their Projects. Mostly due to their own inability rather than the institutionalized and state-backed corruption in service of outside non-state actors we are seeing with AVZ, but we've seen it nonetheless. That's probably Objective A of the plot, but a secondary Objective B could be to push us towards accepting a low-ball TO after we run out of cash, should their efforts to win the Project outright through subterfuge not reach success.

I have been calling for a negotiated outcome to this for a year, however to my dismay (though not those of all here) I think we may have pushed past the point now where that is possible. It's a major roll of the dice by our management, and one I now think is going to be to our ultimate detriment, but the AVZ management have optics on all the aspects of this case and I do not, so some benefit of the doubt must be provided. As such I'm still backing them - though with considerable apprehension.

In any case best of luck to all our holders here, as we've still got a difficult road ahead! I continue to appreciate all the information being presented here by those you all know, with a special mention to 9card, Frank, Carlos and others, and to the efforts of those like Spike and JAG who are continuing to fight the good fight. Note I even appreciate the return of our old friend DG who whilst muddying the waters as ever, does provide some interesting avenues of thought. Would prefer them in English though, I must say.

Thanks Roon for this.
While in HC, Combaste provided the below regarding insurance on legal costs.
Half a million $ paid as insurance premium. Hopefully, most of our legal costs will be paid back.
Anyone contacted company regarding legal costs? If yes, please share with us how we are going to survive on the mounting legal challenges, as many raised the issue of company running out of money due to all these legal costs.

 

[smileatme]

Oops, Misfits got ahead of me.

 

[TheCount]

Thanks Roon for this.
While in HC, Combaste provided the below regarding insurance on legal costs.
Half a million $ paid as insurance premium. Hopefully, most of our legal costs will be paid back.
Anyone contacted company regarding legal costs? If yes, please share with us how we are going to survive on the mounting legal challenges, as many raised the issue of company running out of money due to all these legal costs.

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First you need to understand what the insurance is for. Hint? You're way off the mark..
TC.

 

[Winenut]

First you need to understand what the insurance is for. Hint? You're way off the mark..
TC.

100% Count

The D&O insurance has absolutely nothing to do with matters at hand.....nor does the operational insurance for mine construction etc

 

[Xerof]

So was Jens. I’ve corrected him. Facts are important

First you need to understand what the insurance is for. Hint? You're way off the mark..
TC.

 

[cruiser51]

Thanks Roon for this.
While in HC, Combaste provided the below regarding insurance on legal costs.
Half a million $ paid as insurance premium. Hopefully, most of our legal costs will be paid back.
Anyone contacted company regarding legal costs? If yes, please share with us how we are going to survive on the mounting legal challenges, as many raised the issue of company running out of money due to all these legal costs.

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Why not stream the info from the top of the fukkin Eiffel Tower?

FFS are people for real?

First you need to understand what the insurance is for. Hint? You're way off the mark..
TC.

Second to understand kunty, if I would know, I would sip a gin, grin and think fukkum, let them find out themself.

Zijin and its moronic coconspirators would love to know a lot more, no need to hand it to them on a plate.

Hey smile, how about you call Nigel, maybe he explains to you that in reality the world is a like a Rubic cube.

Know what I mean?

 

[Nbaz]

First you need to understand what the insurance is for. Hint? You're way off the mark..
TC.

So for us that don't really understand....what was this insurance for exactly?

 

[Winenut]

Sorry but these insurance issues and questions have nothing to do with Zijin and it absolutely matters not

They can read the announcements and annual reports ....same as we have!

Geezuz

Some holders here wanted to understand what the insurances are for @Nbaz

The first insurance is more general and operational (ie for accidents when constructing a mine etc etc ) Ordinary insurance in the ordinary course of business

The second insurance is a Directors and Officers Insurance which provides some protection for them in the execution of their fiduciary duties ....this is also a widely and commonly held insurance for all directors and officers of companies....I have personally been covered by these types of arrangements

There is nothing to see here and nothing that one would consider sensitive

You can read about the insurances in the annual reports which are publicly available....the "general" details of what they cover is provided in the commentary

 

[Frank]

Wow just returning to the forum after taking a month away on holiday, and what a grade-A shitshow! Seems to have devolved somewhat..

Personally, after reading allll these pages and the announcements issued since i took a travel-based mental-health breather (which admittedly focused largely on alcohol consumption) I think Zijin and Cominiere coming together on this latest ICC action is likely a further expression of a simple yet multi-pronged strategy previously mentioned:

1. To allow Zijin to be seen as a cooperative actor with Cominiere, underpinning its claim that a new JV between it and the Government would progress this strategic Project - as "we are already working together against the culprit stalling the Project".

2. To allow Zijin to fund and support Cominiere at the ICC, including by managing its legal team, giving it a better hope of success amidst its typical uselessness, and avoiding its concerns at being unable to pay its way. Its not Zijin's first rodeo at using the legal system to stall, steal a project or undermine an opponent! Likely also presents another path for transmission of snacks if necessary, as an aside.

3. To allow more imminent ICC cases to be wrapped up into a later submitted umbrella case, pushing back the window again to post 2024 at earliest. Im convinced we will see such an attempt come to pass. This would mark part of what I assume is now their grand strategic plan of delayance, in which they are likely to bombard the government along with the Chinese authorities and their suborned DRC agents (aka MoP/CAMI/Cominiere et al) that the only way to get this very important Project moving is by removal of whom they portray as the blocking actor. I have seen firm indicators of this in all the Cominiere and Zijin statements and letters, which were unfortunately also echoed in the MoM's cancelation decree.

4: Connected to the above, ensuring that Zijin have access to an ICC case against AVZ that it can use to delay us into dust, in consideration that its initial challenge was likely to be thrown out due to jurisdictional issues in July/Aug.

Regarding the Zijin/Com inclusion of a 'value' as set by its damages claim, this could potentially be seen a statement of lost revenue due to 'AVZ's delay', as reflected against the timeline set in the DFS as to first sale of product if these disputes hadn't erupted. Just a theory.

But anyway this is where I see this game moving, and I think Cominiere's efforts (seemingly with CAMI involvement) to simple oust AVZ or reassign 13359 to Cominiere is part of this plan coming together. I think we all know examples of where governments have stripped licenses of those they claim weren't progressing their Projects. Mostly due to their own inability rather than the institutionalized and state-backed corruption in service of outside non-state actors we are seeing with AVZ, but we've seen it nonetheless. That's probably Objective A of the plot, but a secondary Objective B could be to push us towards accepting a low-ball TO after we run out of cash, should their efforts to win the Project outright through subterfuge not reach success.

I have been calling for a negotiated outcome to this for a year, however to my dismay (though not those of all here) I think we may have pushed past the point now where that is possible. It's a major roll of the dice by our management, and one I now think is going to be to our ultimate detriment, but the AVZ management have optics on all the aspects of this case and I do not, so some benefit of the doubt must be provided. As such I'm still backing them - though with considerable apprehension.

In any case best of luck to all our holders here, as we've still got a difficult road ahead! I continue to appreciate all the information being presented here by those you all know, with a special mention to 9card, Frank, Carlos and others, and to the efforts of those like Spike and JAG who are continuing to fight the good fight. Note I even appreciate the return of our old friend DG who whilst muddying the waters as ever, does provide some interesting avenues of thought. Would prefer them in English though, I must say.

 

[Winenut]

Good call from Solo on that I reckon....

Probably sums up my sentiment as well

 

[Frank]

 

[Frank]

 

[Frank]

 

[BEISHA]

So was Jens. I’ve corrected him. Facts are important

Welcome back....

Keep punching.....

 

[Onthefm]

There is one thing u can't deny. When these fuckers do corruption they take it to a hole new level. Not 100 000s not 1 000 000s not 100,000 000 but billions. U have to hand it to them with the green abola as there backstop they have total ammunity as it fills her stockings every day like Christmas and are useing it to the full extent. As u would. Where's the kitten? Oh that's right he's out telling everybody in the world on his jet and looking at his flash watch to invest in the green abola. The mear fact that he where's that watch In public demonstrates his total disregard for his fellow Congolese. I wonder how full the kittens stocking is.