AVZ Discussion 2022
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John Reed
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Damned if you do dammed if you don’t…Anyone who has read my comments knows…. I don’t like being here, but I do it because I want AVZ to succeed. Not just for me, also for shareholder’s I have developed relationships with as well as the poor people of Manono.
I’m holding off for the moment, but still gathering information and looking at ways to add it to any media promoting the DRC MINING WEEK events in June and September.
Mupande, CAMI and THE VUKA GROUP are front and centre of these events and if they want to keep fucking us around and now taking us off the CAMI portal, then we might as well let international investors know what doing business in the DRC involves.
I’m attaching my latest post on the DRC MINING WEEK thread and the link so shareholders can reach all the information on it. I don’t want comments tying the thread up, just want the facts clearly presented. I’ve provided clear facts and information, it’s up to shareholders to decide what they want to do
I’m not sure how many shareholders read this thread…. But there is more than enough evidence of corruption and extortion in the DRC mining sector to inform potential international investors ahead of the two DRC MINING WEEK events (June and September).
The evidence includes AVZ Minerals work (over the last 6 years in the DRC) developing the Manono Lithium Project as the majority shareholder in Dathcom, and includes the recent ICC (International Court of Arbitration) ruling, declaring Cominiere’s attempts to terminate AVZ’s partnership in the Dathcom joint venture as unlawful.
The evidence also shows that CAMI has now removed AVZ Minerals from holding the Exploration Rights (PR) on the 13359 tenement on the Landfolio Cadastre Map Portal
https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...230417+New+legal+action+to+affirm+interests+i
DRC MINING WEEK 2023
Here is the agenda of DRC Mining Week 2023 scheduled for June 14 to 16 in Lubumbashi As announced, DRC Mining Week opens its doors from June 14 to 16, 2023 at Karavia Hotel in Lubumbashi in the province of Haut-Katanga in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC). The day of June 14, 2023 is...thestockexchange.com.au
You’ve put a lot of work into this, but I personally would discourage attacks on the Ministry of Mines people.
Everyone knows and they know.
Let’s give it breathing space : once we know we really are screwed then unleash.
Another observation, so few shareholders are active, how could we have an impact? One idea costing $ is Twitter sponsored promotion that could be effective reaching tens of thousands
John Reed
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Yep Nigel would have to prioritise the expectations of the Australian jurisdiction. Do the Congolese understand that?
We are supposed to understand their unofficial way.
John Reed
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Yes, early on in Tshisekedi’s presidency he was making all the right moves with EU and for massive funding.
AUKUS, Assange, and the seething pathologies of the American Security State
We are permitting ourselves no character of our own under the architecture of the Alliance. It means weve accepted the status of a kind of client state, or American territory. I wont say the 51st state. It means weve got even less independence than a US governor would have, former Australian...johnmenadue.com
Just shows how public opinion matters.
Perhaps ICC matters. DRC can’t expect financial aid and not follow International law.
Is he still on that track? Or is Manono too hard?
Certainly the IGF calling out the criminality of Cominiere and no follow through on prosecution even a stand down, is perplexing and illogical.
Only AFR and Congo mafia is ignoring it
John Reed
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I wouldn’t take his bait, his checking you out.
Overall like some here, I see your multiple aliases as actually just working out where the truth is and it has been overwhelming. The Cong association is worrisome however what did you mean last year on these threads, by helping Cong?
Carlos Danger
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John Reed
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Hey bhags
I think it’s unfair to disparage Der Geist by saying he is constantly undermining BoD. This is simply not true. I just think he speaks his mind and if you’ve been around long enough (criteria: since AVZ picked up Manono) all that he has said has been fair criticism. All the questions on disclosure have been valid. We just don’t like it. Naturally.
At time of AGM the last time Der Geist was here he was simply emboldening shareholders to be ready to stand their ground with a management used to steering down ‘disloyalty’. You’ve also expressed discontent with management so I don’t see why you’re holding Der Geist to a higher standard of examination. It’s because he is seen as a threat and why would he still be a threat. Is there something else we don’t know?
MoneyBags1348
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I’m not your buddy, Cong is remember….
Of course you didn’t offer to help Cong lodge papers with ASIC or encourage shareholders to do the same
And of course you didn’t contact Tom Richardson to give him information
And of course you didn’t forge / construct a fake post by me last year
And of course you didn’t do these things ahead of the Omni Bridgeway class action offer
Only thing is that I have all the evidence to show that you did all those things
And @John Reed you might as well piss off, if you are not another der geist alias. Together you two remind me of a barrel with two half witted monkey’s
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Der Geist
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I try to maintain confidentiality of my sources and I am sure they greatly appreciate it. What I said there in first screenshot - anyone who knows something that is not public domain will know where this is coming from
Those screenshotted views are consistent with today’s text input above.
It occurred to me just today, that the ASX must have been handed a copy of the documents Tom mentions to stockswami, but there was no ASX Query. What does this mean?
Eckhoff said “they” ( Cong et al ) had no response from ASIC or ASX. I think Cong said same. This is important to know. That means ASX and ASIC knew even before Tom or me what was happening — there was no ASX query in months after the Lubumbashi court actions in January and February 2022 — this is a powerful optic for shareholders to elaborate on on social media because it means the ASX and ASIC was cooperating in some way with AVZ— because precedent has been for ASX to slam AVZ as it did in 2018 and even around the TIA with CATH (—ASX was fuming about reference to 10mtpa plans but couldn’t do anything about it—). Likely, the Australian embassy and its 5 Eyes hotline would be monitoring is a reasonable assumption to draw and on Congolese politics.
In all likelihood, the Omnibridgeway threat of it emerged as having issued a NoC could be undermined if AVZ can demonstrate it had discretionary support to test disclosure tests for “suppositionality” because the Congolese government was onboard trying to snuff out internal malfeasance on the Dathcom project. This would improve confidence among regulators and the Australian Government that AVZ has acted well in shareholder interests in extremely adverse ‘agitations’. AVZ is naturally a part of US interests to counter China. Even if US wants to knock AVZ off as well. We can’t rest thinking anyone is our friend but it’s clear AVZ has the rapport with Manono people that has seasoned well over 6 years.
Despite all that, simply speaking AVZ shareholders have a right to know about anything that may materially affect the progress of the project and would it induce a reasonable person to sell or buy. Truth is, knowing how Cong was targeting Graeme was clearly worth disclosing under ASX rules but at the same time, to do so would slide further into blackmail and a worse situation. Indeed AVZI likely made offers to settle with Dathomir to move on. But if Cong knows one thing is a fish market haggle skill set. Cong though would be fearful of all that has passed, because he was already seen as a PEP; politically exposed person. Likewise Loando. They both May survive this current fiasco but massive injustices will mean karma will bite these miscreants as well
Carlos
Just ignore him. He's just fishing with deliberately obtuse language, and is clearly clueless. He doesn't even know the difference between Australia's market operator and Australia's market regulator.
Cheers
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Der Geist
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Typos: …if it emerges..
Der Geist
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Present your evidence.
As for the fake post, ever thought it might have been just a technical glitch— you are very sensitive very judgmental, and I can see why managment stopped talking yo you.
Point is here, if you want to keep challenging my you will undermine the company.
I am not here to discuss the company. Take a look. Everyone knows what the company has done and hasn’t done now
John Reed
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you’re being a bully.
Der Geist
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Inviting him to share more on where things were at and to verify claims him a his lawyer stated. Any shareholder worth their salt in a risky jurisdiction should be doing the same.
Why does Bhags think I have anything on AVZ that would be useful. Obviously I am just as clueless as Flight966 says.
It’s worth recalling how much AVZ was in denial leading up to the May 4 announcement to understand that there was a question of how much was being hidden. Hidden in your favour or not? Moneybhags would like to think ‘not’? Good on him. It’s not my style after WFE and it’s why I didn’t get caught in this suspension.
All those who are embittered against me ask yourself should you have listened between April 30 and May 10? It takes time to reflect on errors. This is because of the power of certainty in our psyche.” Makes us sit on a rock and often complacently
Carlos Danger
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Never said it wasn't. Just wanted you to elaborate. Appreciate your detailed response.
Carlos Danger
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Well said MB
Could everyone stop asking Der Geist what they think about....?
Just gives them undeserved kudos
cruiser51
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