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The following LinkedIn comment by Mercedes-Benz suggests to me once again that they continue to weigh their options with regards to various neuromorphic offerings - the good news is, we are apparently still in the running, but at the same time it is definitely not a confirmation of an upcoming deal either or an acknowledgment of Akida’s superiority over competitors’ technology (note they did not give Kimberly’s earlier post a).
A very diplomatic reply, I’d say, focusing on the potential of BrainChip being considered in the future based on a positive past experience.
But no promise.
Neuromorphic Computing | Mercedes-Benz AG | 21 comments
The intelligent vehicle functionalities of the future call for pioneering new algorithms and hardware. That’s why Mercedes-Benz is researching artificial neural networks that could radically increase the speed and energy efficiency of complex AI computations. This could revolutionise...www.linkedin.com
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And another reply from Mercedes:
Frangipani
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Danke, @CHIPS!
This follow-up reply should put to bed any speculation that Akida might already be implemented in any of the Mercedes-Benz automobiles set to roll off the production line in the near future, such as the CLA 2025, which will celebrate its world premiere in March and will be the first model to feature the all-new MB.OS (Mercedes Benz Operating System).
(Not to mention that no IP license has been signed to date.)
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stockduck
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A little bit off topic here......or maybe not!
I read it today ...and sorry, I saw it was from the motley fool but it tells me, there must be a reason, why this person decided to invest in ARM and broadcom.
What is stargate all about with softbank an openAi?
Well only a lot of speculation.
I liked the positive vibrations from our CEO in the last 4 C! Can you feel it also?
I read it today ...and sorry, I saw it was from the motley fool but it tells me, there must be a reason, why this person decided to invest in ARM and broadcom.
What is stargate all about with softbank an openAi?
Well only a lot of speculation.
I liked the positive vibrations from our CEO in the last 4 C! Can you feel it also?
Neuromorphic Computing Market Size to Hit USD 47.31 Bn by 2034
The global neuromorphic computing market size was estimated at USD 6.90 billion in 2024 and is expected to hit around USD 47.31 billion by 2034, at a CAGR of 21.23%.
Neuromorphic Computing Market Size to Hit USD 47.31 Bn by 2034 | Precedence Research
Why is Neuromorphic Computing Gaining Popularity? Low Power Consumption: By mimicking the brain's energy efficiency, neuromorphic systems require far less power than traditional computing systems, making them ideal for portable devices and edge computing. Real-Time Data Processing: These...
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Smoothsailing
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Great to see that Mercedes are keeping thier cards extremely close to their chest which will remain that way up until the first release of the
with neuromorphic compute inside for sale to the market.They have no reason to announce any particular partnerships of any kind until such time, so we continue to speculate.Go brainchip.
Frangipani
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An IT association based in the Ukrainian city of Chernivtsi organised the AI Hills Conference that took place there on Saturday and brought together over 200 participants interested in AI.
Since one of the invited speakers happened to be a gentleman presenting on neuromorphic chips, I decided to have a closer look at the uploaded conference pictures and video, since we’ve known for over a year that Ukraine-based Data Science UA has been playing around with Akida. And bingo - the speaker did indeed represent Data Science UA!
According to my Google Lens translation, Ilya Babichev started out talking about the advantages and disadvantages of neuromorphic chips in general - the disadvantages being that precision-wise, they have yet to prove themselves more accurate than the “classic” (= von Neumann) architecture, that the software for NC has not yet caught up with the hardware and that well-defined performance benchmarks were still missing.
After introducing AKD1000, he listed at least three different use cases, namely drone detection (obviously a very important real life use case in 2025 Ukraine!), keyword detection and recognition of surface types, such as identifying areas of soil suitable for planting crops with the help of a quadcopter, in areas where forest fires and deforestation have resulted in land that can be repurposed for agriculture.
Since one of the invited speakers happened to be a gentleman presenting on neuromorphic chips, I decided to have a closer look at the uploaded conference pictures and video, since we’ve known for over a year that Ukraine-based Data Science UA has been playing around with Akida. And bingo - the speaker did indeed represent Data Science UA!
According to my Google Lens translation, Ilya Babichev started out talking about the advantages and disadvantages of neuromorphic chips in general - the disadvantages being that precision-wise, they have yet to prove themselves more accurate than the “classic” (= von Neumann) architecture, that the software for NC has not yet caught up with the hardware and that well-defined performance benchmarks were still missing.
After introducing AKD1000, he listed at least three different use cases, namely drone detection (obviously a very important real life use case in 2025 Ukraine!), keyword detection and recognition of surface types, such as identifying areas of soil suitable for planting crops with the help of a quadcopter, in areas where forest fires and deforestation have resulted in land that can be repurposed for agriculture.
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InterestingTech. Evidently DeepSeek uses 1000's of NVIDIA chips.
I guess in theory NVIDIA could use 1000's of AKIDA chips in certain circumstances where real time and low power is required. If NVIDIA wants this it would require some Cheque book diplomacy.
Not sure whether NVIDIA entire cloud work could be diverted to off cloud at a lower cost via AKIDA? That would be a huge challenge maybe not attainable (we are event based) but someone at NVIDIA will likely at least contemplate it.
I guess in theory NVIDIA could use 1000's of AKIDA chips in certain circumstances where real time and low power is required. If NVIDIA wants this it would require some Cheque book diplomacy.
Not sure whether NVIDIA entire cloud work could be diverted to off cloud at a lower cost via AKIDA? That would be a huge challenge maybe not attainable (we are event based) but someone at NVIDIA will likely at least contemplate it.
I think deepseek has woken the world to the udea that brute force is not required to get the best out of AI. Companies will start to look elsewhere for more elegant solutions.
Additionally, Nvidia has recovered around 8% today so far. I hope we will follow suite. Was good to get that quarterly out given yesterday's drop anyway.
Additionally, Nvidia has recovered around 8% today so far. I hope we will follow suite. Was good to get that quarterly out given yesterday's drop anyway.
Frangipani
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Great to see that Mercedes are keeping thier cards extremely close to their chest
which will remain that way up until the first release of the
I fail to see anything positive in that…
And correct me if I’m wrong, but they will have to announce a deal before going into production, as the nature of such an announcement will be price-sensitive for the company selling their tech to MB.
Erm, actually MB did in fact announce several research partnerships with regards to neuromorphic computing back in October, if you remember:
As I mentioned in a recent post [https://lnkd.in/eUkymQEq], we have more… | Markus Schäfer | 24 comments
As I mentioned in a recent post [https://lnkd.in/eUkymQEq], we have more news on our research into neuromorphic computing. We have signed a Memorandum of Understanding with the University of Waterloo in Ontario, Canada to collaborate on research in this important field. The focus is on the...
In the NAOMI4Radar project, which is funded by the German Federal Ministry of Economic Affairs and Climate Action, a research team from the University of Lübeck is working together with Mercedes-Benz AG, TWT GmbH Science & Innovation, Intel Deutschland GmbH and the Technical University of Munich on energy-efficient radar sensor technology, using Loihi 2.
Smoothsailing
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Correct me if Iam wrong research partners are not defined as partners that will be used in a car ? . Nit picking isn’t the answer to the facts there are no neuromorphic partnerships announced to date that will be known to the market until Mercedes advise on this topic. I will also go as far to say no your incorrect to assume Mercedes must announce all partners prior to offering sales on a new car . That is putting the cart before the horse as they say and unnecessary or smart from a Buisnesss standpoint .I fail to see anything positive in that…
And correct me if I’m wrong, but they will have to announce a deal before going into production, as the nature of such an announcement will be price-sensitive for the company selling their tech to MB.
Erm, actually MB did in fact announce several research partnerships with regards to neuromorphic computing back in October, if you remember:
As I mentioned in a recent post [https://lnkd.in/eUkymQEq], we have more… | Markus Schäfer | 24 comments
As I mentioned in a recent post [https://lnkd.in/eUkymQEq], we have more news on our research into neuromorphic computing. We have signed a Memorandum of Understanding with the University of Waterloo in Ontario, Canada to collaborate on research in this important field. The focus is on the...
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In the NAOMI4Radar project, which is funded by the German Federal Ministry of Economic Affairs and Climate Action, a research team from the University of Lübeck is working together with Mercedes-Benz AG, TWT GmbH Science & Innovation, Intel Deutschland GmbH and the Technical University of Munich on energy-efficient radar sensor technology, using Loihi 2.
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I like this bit the best.
In a future project, this microprocessor prototype will be advanced toward full functionality, production, and qualification, providing Europe with autonomous and highly competitive space computing capabilities, facilitating advanced AI and Edge computing to meet the demands of next-generation satellite constellations and deep-space missions
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The whole AI thing is like milk … you can do a lot of different stuff with it… just add some lemon and you will have creme cheese… and there is more to discover… very exciting… I can only speak for myself, since the deeps. Announcement, I am more confident. Things will moving faster now
Frangipani
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Nitpicking? Hang on, you literally wrote
hence my comment about the research partnerships they recently announced, and besides, research partnerships can of course eventually lead to the real deal. Why do you think they are doing such research in the first place?! Just for fun? Would they pick partners they could never ever imagine signing a deal with? And how about Akida in the EQXX - was that not research that could potentially lead to the signing of an IP license?
At least we can agree on “So we continue to speculate.”
We’ll likely need quite a bit of patience, though, as the journalists who were recently shown around MB’s Future Technologies Lab, were told by MB’s neuromorphic researchers that the technology were “still in its infancy” and required “extensive testing and certification” before going into production cars, saying they were expecting the hardware to be available in the 2030s…
cf references to various online articles
Today, numerous articles on some of the promising future technologies Mercedes-Benz is exploring were published online, after the carmaker had recently invited journalists to its Future Technologies Lab in Sindelfingen.
And of course - you guessed it - neuromorphic computing was one of them.
(I also find solar coating another interesting concept).
There was also a press release by MB itself:
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Neuromorphic Computer soll Energiebedarf einschränken
Zukünftige Fahrzeuge werden mehr Funktionen wie autonomes Fahren bieten, was den Energiebedarf steigert. Mercedes-Benz setzt auf Neuromorphic Computing, um KI effizienter zu machen und den Energieverbrauch um bis zu 90 % zu senken.mbpassion.de
Playmobil-Männchen im Einsatz…
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German magazine auto, motor und sport published both an online article and a video on MB & neuromorphic computing earlier today (both in German) that literally confirm what I’ve been suspecting: that Mercedes-Benz is nowhere near to implementing neuromorphic technology at scale into their serial cars…
Sparsame KI-Chips fürs automatisierte Fahren: Neue KI-Chips von Mercedes für mehr Reichweite
Mercedes forscht an neuromorphen KI-Chips, die den Energiehunger künstlicher Intelligenz in der Elektronik fürs autonome Fahren eindämmen sollen. Aktuell würde ein Level-4-System nämlich die Reichweite eines E-Autos um bis zu 30 Prozent verringern. Wie die Technik funktioniert und was...www.auto-motor-und-sport.de
“Der Weg in die Serie ist noch weit.” - “It’s still a long way to serial cars”.
“Bis neuromorphe Chips ihren Weg ins Auto finden, wird es wohl noch einige Jahre dauern.” - “It’ll probably take a few years / It looks as if it will still take a few years until neuromorphic chips will find their way into (serial) cars.”
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Mercedes forscht an neuer KI-Technik: Mit mehr Effizienz zum automatisierten Fahren
Um den Energiehunger von KI-Systemen zu stillen forscht Mercedes an neuromorpher Hardware, mit der autonomes Fahren effizienter werden soll.www.auto-motor-und-sport.de
“Diese Technologie steht jedoch noch am Anfang und erfordert umfangreiche Tests und Zertifizierungen, bevor sie in Autos eingesetzt werden kann.”
“However, this technology is still in its infancy and requires extensive testing and certification before it can be used in cars.”
Something similar is said in the video itself around the 5 min mark.
Other articles are behind a paywall, but maybe one of you happens to be a subscriber and could check out whether there are any additional snippets of interest worth sharing?
Das Auto der Zukunft: Besuch im Forschungslabor von Mercedes-Benz
Flotte Akkus, stromerzeugende Lacke und wartungsfreie Bremsen: Das Auto der Zukunft ist weit mehr als ein Smartphone auf Rädern. Ein Besuch im Forschungslabor von Mercedes-Benz.www.faz.net
Seltene Einblicke: Bremsen ohne Feinstaub – und 5 weitere Zukunftspläne von Mercedes
Der Autohersteller Mercedes-Benz definiert sich als Innovationsmotor – und gewährt einen seltenen Blick in die Forschungswerkstatt. Was dort entwickelt wird, lesen Sie hier.www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de
My guess is that the next Mercedes-Benz LinkedIn post regarding NC will give us some more details about the research collaboration with HKA (Hochschule Karlsruhe) on neuromorphic cameras. Or it might be a post announcing the collaboration between Mercedes and Neurobus that I had spotted on Nov 12 (https://thestockexchange.com.au/threads/brn-discussion-ongoing.1/post-441454).
Here are two more articles by journalists who attended MB’s recent Future Technologies Lab Open House. Both describe NC as a potential solution to drastically cut the energy consumption of SAE Level 4 autonomous functions and quote Mercedes-Benz engineers as saying they were expecting such neuromorphic hardware to become available in the 2030s…
Yup, you read that right.
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Fortschritt durch Technik: Mercedes-Innovationen - WELT
Mercedes öffnet die Türen zu seinen Forschungs-Labors einen Spalt weit – und zeigt Projekte, die in den nächsten Jahren unsere Mobilität beeinflussen werden. Und zwar weit ins Elektroauto-Zeitalter hinein.www.welt.de
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The exact same article can be found on the Handelsblatt website as well:
Handelsblatt
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Also note that Markus Schäfer calls the MB Future Technologies Lab their early-tech kitchen - in my opinion that’s yet another hint that we won’t be seeing the visionary ideas cooked up there implemented in any serial cars about to be released…
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Which also means that BrainChip’s current advantage of already having a commercially available neuromorphic chip or IP is no longer going to be that relevant in a few years’ time. For the time being, research chips will do…
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