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[Labsy]

Yeah....I'm not buying the smartphone answer entirely. Louis DiNardo was promoting cell phones and laptops as a target market until the very beginning of 2020 when they suddenly dropped off the radar. If the power savings with Akida are beneficial for electric vehicles for voice recognition and always-on applications, then they're even more valuable for a smart phone or laptop. My hope is that they only dropped off the radar because these smartphone companies have it in their NDA for Brainchip to apply the cone of silence.

Well, most likely a middle man ip customer in the semiconductor industry like qualcom??? INTEL???????????????????
Nvidia?? This would explain his answer as then technically brainchip isn't directly working with a phone company??? Just a thought.

 

[Diogenese]

Morning Chippers,

Just screen recorded Sean speaking at the Q1 Virtual Summit: BrainChip Holdings

Investor Presentation video link below

Thanks TechGirl,

I was going to say that I would have like to have seen a slide showing a comparison of the power and speed of the current dominant NN (CNN) compared to Akida's power and speed in performing similar tasks at about the 13 minute mark where he does talk about CNN and power, but I guess Sean knows his audience better than I do.

 

[hotty4040]

Hi FF,

Most welcome, Haha you slept in, I made sure I got up, I set 5 alarms just in case I hit snooze to many times.

Yes I thought he spoke more freely when talking about Mercedes which was nice to listen to, I believe every time Sean speaks he gets better & better at getting his message across. Sean has a great voice & he speaks at the perfect pace.

Yeah I wasn't too worried when I heard the smart phone comment, as if in the very near future phone companies aren't going to be knocking our doors down, foaming at the mouth to get their hands on the best, cheapest most awesome planet saving, power saving chips

This is Samsung, Nvidia, Apple, Google, Intel, LG, HP, Tesla trying to get their hands on our tech once the penny drops

Couldn't agree more, Sean seams to be growing in confidence each time we meet him.

Slowly, slowly, catcha the monkey IMHO, his message is clear and concise.

Akida Ballista

 

[Diogenese]

Hello JoMo.
I can't seem to find my way back into the Melbourne ketchup thread, but am confirming will be there at 6.30.
8.30 finish is fine by me as need all the beauty sleep I can get.
Looking forward to it.

Sounds like it will be the sauce of some great friendships.

 

[TechGirl]

Thanks TechGirl,

I was going to say that I would have like to have seen a slide showing a comparison of the power and speed of the current dominant NN (CNN) compared to Akida's power and speed in performing similar tasks at about the 13 minute mark where he does talk about CNN and power, but I guess Sean knows his audience better than I do.

Most welcome Dio

Maybe one of us should ask Sean to include the power and speed of the current dominant NN (CNN) compared to Akida's power and speed in performing similar tasks in the next presentation.

 

[JK200SX]

Sounds like it will be the sauce of some great friendships.

Ketchup, Sauce & Mustard I think there's a hidden meaning in the posts and I'm going to have to order this on the night.....

 

[JK200SX]

Funny how they change their tone every few days....

Why is the BrainChip (ASX:BRN) share price jumping 8% today?

The BrainChip Holdings Ltd (ASX:BRN) share price is charging higher on Thursday. Here's why its shares are on form today...

www.fool.com.au

 

[HUSS]

There is a FINAL point I want to make about this presentation. The CEO Sean Hehir was asked a question and he answered that question with one three letter WORD and that WORD was:

“YES.”


He did not say anything else just this one SINGLE WORD.

What was the question?

Why did this answer make me smile?

I am sure someone amongst the 1,000 Eyes heard the question and his answer and is smiling too but no one has mentioned it.

My opinion only DYOR
FF

AKIDA BALLISTA

If will be revenue in 2022??..he said YES..I smiled too and said to myself that this is my biggest take of this presentation today. lol

 

[JoMo68]

Hello JoMo.
I can't seem to find my way back into the Melbourne ketchup thread, but am confirming will be there at 6.30.
8.30 finish is fine by me as need all the beauty sleep I can get.
Looking forward to it.

Hi Hopalong, it's probably a couple of pages in to the now 6-page list of BR threads. I called the venue and although there are two-hour booking slots, we can stay longer if there is no one booked after us. The woman said that we should be ok because it's not too busy on a Tuesday night. Otherwise we can just move to a different part of the venue at 8.30.

 

[Bravo]

Drawing on some further background information that may interest you and others.
Last year it was disclosed not long after the presentation by a certain small engineering firm on a Rob Telson Brainchip podcast that in furtherance of the ARM business model he was setting up Brainchip’s own list of Engineering firms.

If you go to ARM’s website they have a list of these small engineering firms which the last time I looked numbered about 34.

For those who do not know what these guys do it is two fold.

Customers come to them with a problem say my underpants keep riding up but there is nothing in the market presently that will overcome the problem. These firms then go about trying to come up with a solution and sourcing products from their partner firms and modifying them to solve the customers problem.

The second way they make a buck is by going out into the world and trying to identify potential customers suffering from a similar or different problem with their underpants and coming up with a solution with there partners and selling it to these potential customers.

I think it was the former CEO Mr. Dinardo who used the term when describing these relations as great because these guys “have to hunt and kill there own”. In other words it does not cost Brainchip anything to have these relationships.

The thing is though to get your name on their lists is not easy for this very same reason. They need to believe that what you have will add value and be something they can sell otherwise they do not eat.

Eastronics and Saleslink are a big deal for this reason and where Eastronics is concerned it was suggested they may have been the link between Brainchip and NaNose.

Following the ARM model there will be more announcements in this area and probably quite soon. I know for a fact that Rob Telson was run off his feet covering both sales and marketing and was finding it difficult to get the time to close out all of these sales relationships with his target small engineering firms.

My opinion only DYOR
FF

AKIDA BALLISTA

Hi FF,

Arm's engineers better find other projects to work on aside from inventing wedgie-proof undies because it looks like Amazon have already cornered this market. Whats-more I understand that Kim Kardashian has just released her new line of crotchless underwear, which also means that she has this area covered (or not covered so-to-speak).

 

[Diogenese]

Dear Dodgy-knees, do you feel like checking out the 5 prototype applications mentioned below to see if they're treading on our turf?

B x

(Extract 1)

From cloud to local

“Currently, in most approaches used to classify images or read identity documents from a smartphone, the device is only used to capture the image. The data is sent to cloud servers for analysis, a process that is often computationally intensive. The result is then sent back to the user’s telephone. The technique works well so long as network coverage is available, but not in areas with no coverage or where access is limited.

To solve this problem, the MobileAI research project aimed to incorporate artificial intelligence technology into the smartphone while maintaining its robustness and ability to operate in real time,” explains Montaser Awal, head of the artificial intelligence research team at ARIADNEXT, a company specializing in the remote verification of ID documents.

(Extract 2)

Mission accomplished. The project has advanced the state of the art and resulted in ten scientific publications and five prototype applications.


Extract 1

Neural networks to improve local image recognition on phones

Neural networks form part of a solution to solve the problem of accessing images on local networks while maintaining good performance

innovationorigins.com

Extract 2

Local image recognition on phones | Inria

We use our smartphones every day to scan a multitude of objects and access a wide range of services thanks to image recognition technology using artificial intelligence. The problem is that these applications require access to the mobile network to connect to the cloud and request the...

www.inria.fr

Hi Bravo77,

I can't find any relevant patents, but there is the 8 month non-publication lacuna.

The article mentions CNN and modifying the CNN algorithms to make them executable on mobile devices, apparently by improving the descriptors of the images.

https://innovationorigins.com/en/se...to-improve-local-image-recognition-on-phones/

At the heart of the matter is a family of particularly powerful deep-learning algorithms, called convolutional neural networks (CNN). “These are excellent candidates for mobile image recognition”, explains Montaser Awal. “But for our purposes, we had to modify their architecture and optimize them to make them executable on mobile devices while maintaining a similar performance level to cloud-based server systems.”
...
By switching image recognition to mobile and improving the descriptors of these images, the company made a game-changing move and can now handle databases of 100,000 images. These capacities will allow QUAI DES APPS to meet the needs of the retail industry, whether for images of products on the shelf or in a catalogue.

None of this suggests a CNN2SNN conversion.

 

[Jefwilto]

Ketchup, Sauce & Mustard I think there's a hidden meaning in the posts and I'm going to have to order this on the night.....

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Ketchup, Sauce & Mustard I think there's a hidden meaning in the posts and I'm going to have to order this on the night.....

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JK make sure you order it with the “Secret Sauce”

 

[Fact Finder]

Dear Dodgy-knees, do you feel like checking out the 5 prototype applications mentioned below to see if they're treading on our turf?

B x

(Extract 1)

From cloud to local

“Currently, in most approaches used to classify images or read identity documents from a smartphone, the device is only used to capture the image. The data is sent to cloud servers for analysis, a process that is often computationally intensive. The result is then sent back to the user’s telephone. The technique works well so long as network coverage is available, but not in areas with no coverage or where access is limited.

To solve this problem, the MobileAI research project aimed to incorporate artificial intelligence technology into the smartphone while maintaining its robustness and ability to operate in real time,” explains Montaser Awal, head of the artificial intelligence research team at ARIADNEXT, a company specializing in the remote verification of ID documents.

(Extract 2)

Mission accomplished. The project has advanced the state of the art and resulted in ten scientific publications and five prototype applications.


Extract 1

Neural networks to improve local image recognition on phones

Neural networks form part of a solution to solve the problem of accessing images on local networks while maintaining good performance

innovationorigins.com

Extract 2

Local image recognition on phones | Inria

We use our smartphones every day to scan a multitude of objects and access a wide range of services thanks to image recognition technology using artificial intelligence. The problem is that these applications require access to the mobile network to connect to the cloud and request the...

www.inria.fr

My quick look found the following which makes clear that what they have developed is an algorithm which allows them to use a convolutional neural network. They need the CNN to be pretrained with the data set up to 100,000 images for on phone processing without going back to the cloud. They are very careful never in any document I read to touch on power consumption but it is a scientific fact that CNN uses far more power than SNN. So based upon just these two facts alone their product is vastly inferior to AKIDA technology.

The example they give in the following extract of a customer downloading a photo of the product on the shelf and receiving additional information sounds interesting however if you are buying the same tomato sauce you have bought for 50 years you are unlikely to need extra information. (I am keeping with the sauce theme.) If however there is a brand new display with a revolutionary tomato sauce made from special tomatoes from Iceland you may well want extra information but how did the store owner get this brand new promotional product into the 100,000 images stored on the persons phone???? Me thinks there is a flaw here. If however they had AKIDA it would have been very simple as the whole network does not need to be retrained as we know. Would a store owner retrain the whole network every time someone comes to him with a new product unlikely in my opinion as he would incur and expense for a product he may in the end not put on the shelf.

Then there is the question of power consumption if someone is reading about many products because of the novelty factor and then flattens their phone and cannot ring for an Uber/taxi to take them and their purchases home.

At the heart of the matter is a family of particularly powerful deep-learning algorithms, called convolutional neural networks (CNN). “These are excellent candidates for mobile image recognition”, explains Montaser Awal. “But for our purposes, we had to modify their architecture and optimise them to make them executable on mobile devices while maintaining a similar performance level to cloud-based server systems”.
Mission accomplished. The project has advanced the state of the art and resulted in ten scientific publications and five prototype applications. The new algorithms for image classification and text recognition from a photograph of an ID document were immediately integrated into IDcheck.io, ARIADNEXT's flagship product for ID document authentication. “The acquirement of cutting-edge expertise in deep learning for image recognition is also an important factor for future developments”, the company explains.

The project has allowed QUAI DES APPS to improve Blinkl, its augmented narration web app. Its service allows clients in shops to photograph products on the shelves and obtain more information about them. Until now, the image recognition process was executed on remote servers. The disadvantages of this were the computational load on these machines and latencies during peak periods, such as during sales or product launches. In addition, there was a bottleneck in the image search which limited the size of the database to 1000 products. By switching image recognition to the mobile and improving the descriptors of these images, the company made a game-changing move and can now handle databases of 100,000 images. These capacities will allow QUAI DES APPS to meet the needs of the retail industry, whether for images of products on the shelf or in a catalogue.


These people really need to investigate a licence to add a couple of AKIDA nodes so they can include the AKIDA technology advantage and convert the CNN to SNN reducing power consumption and permitting on device training with one or few shots.

My opinion only DYOR
FF

AKIDA BALLISTA

 

[Fact Finder]

My quick look found the following which makes clear that what they have developed is an algorithm which allows them for use with a convolutional neural network. They need the CNN to be pretrained with the data set up to 100,000 images for on phone processing without going back to the cloud. They are very careful never in any document I read to touch on power consumption but it is a scientific fact that CNN uses far more power than SNN. So based upon just these two facts alone their product is vastly inferior to AKIDA technology.

The example they give in the following extract of a customer downloading a photo of the product on the shelf and receiving additional information sounds interesting however if you are buying the same tomato sauce you have bought for 50 years you are unlikely to need extra information. (I am keeping with the sauce theme.) If however there is a brand new display with a revolutionary tomato sauce made from special tomatoes from Iceland you may well want extra information but how did the store owner get this brand new promotional product into the 100,000 images stored on the persons phone???? Me thinks there is a flaw here. If however they had AKIDA it would have been very simple as the whole network does not need to be retrained as we know. Would a store owner retrain the whole network every time someone comes to him with a new product unlikely in my opinion as he would incur and expense for a product he may in the end not put on the shelf.

Then there is the question of power consumption if someone is reading about many products because of the novelty factor and then flattens their phone and cannot ring for an Uber/taxi to take them and their purchases home.

At the heart of the matter is a family of particularly powerful deep-learning algorithms, called convolutional neural networks (CNN). “These are excellent candidates for mobile image recognition”, explains Montaser Awal. “But for our purposes, we had to modify their architecture and optimise them to make them executable on mobile devices while maintaining a similar performance level to cloud-based server systems”.
Mission accomplished. The project has advanced the state of the art and resulted in ten scientific publications and five prototype applications. The new algorithms for image classification and text recognition from a photograph of an ID document were immediately integrated into IDcheck.io, ARIADNEXT's flagship product for ID document authentication. “The acquirement of cutting-edge expertise in deep learning for image recognition is also an important factor for future developments”, the company explains.

The project has allowed QUAI DES APPS to improve Blinkl, its augmented narration web app. Its service allows clients in shops to photograph products on the shelves and obtain more information about them. Until now, the image recognition process was executed on remote servers. The disadvantages of this were the computational load on these machines and latencies during peak periods, such as during sales or product launches. In addition, there was a bottleneck in the image search which limited the size of the database to 1000 products. By switching image recognition to the mobile and improving the descriptors of these images, the company made a game-changing move and can now handle databases of 100,000 images. These capacities will allow QUAI DES APPS to meet the needs of the retail industry, whether for images of products on the shelf or in a catalogue.


These people really need to investigate a licence to add a couple of AKIDA nodes so they can include the AKIDA technology advantage and convert the CNN to SNN reducing power consumption and permitting on device training with one or few shots.

My opinion only DYOR
FF

AKIDA BALLISTA

You won this time Dio but this is not the final battle we will meet again. FF

 

[Boab]

Sounds like it will be the sauce of some great friendships.

There's just no stopping you is there?
Keep em coming

 

[Boab]

Hi FF,

Arm's engineers better find other projects to work on aside from inventing wedgie-proof undies because it looks like Amazon have already cornered this market. Whats-more I understand that Kim Kardashian has just released her new line of crotchless underwear, which also means that she has this area covered (or not covered so-to-speak).

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What!!!! No more plumbers crack? How un Australian.

 

[Bravo]

My wife is intrigued with this new product and asks if Kim has a no fly zone over the “not covered area”

That's a very good question and it's one I can't answer at present. Hang on, I'll go fetch my packet and see if there's an instruction manual containing the information you seek.

 

[Frank Zappa]

That's a very good question and it's one I can't answer at present. Hang on, I'll go fetch my packet and see if there's an instruction manual containing the information you seek.

 

[JK200SX]

Hi FF,

Arm's engineers better find other projects to work on aside from inventing wedgie-proof undies because it looks like Amazon have already cornered this market. Whats-more I understand that Kim Kardashian has just released her new line of crotchless underwear, which also means that she has this area covered (or not covered so-to-speak).

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Hmmm, how about an AKIDA powered wedgy proof g-string?

 

[Frank Zappa]

Hmmm, how about an AKIDA powered wedgy proof g-string?
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And use its sense of small to be the decision making process to its self adjustment. Hmmmmm