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JoMo68

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I agree Bravo. Brainchip has done numerous of podcasts and interviews including with Qualcomm. I don't see any company's making podcasts with competitors.
You don't see podcasts with Mercedes and Ferrari talking together, Nestle with Cadbury, Nescafe with Moconna.

SO it's reasonable and logical to believe the podcasts generated by Brainchip have a indirect (for now) benefit to both the interviewer and interviewee.

Amen. :)
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manny100

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I was reading this article, not that interesting but makes me think about the Brainchip CEO being attacked by shareholders for not making any meaningful sales. Prophesee has been developing chips using Akida for years. They are now only demonstrating motion sensing. Sounds like still a long way before there will be any saleable products on the market using the chips/technology.

I bought into Brainchip early as I thought the adoption of new technology these days are very quick. But now thinking back, that may be only after the prodcuts are in the market. The iPhone 3 was a big success and took no time before everyone got one but how many years was it on the drawing board before it went to market?

I can understand people wanting to get rich overnight, me included, but we might just have to be that little bit more patient. Brainchip does not sell anything to the general consumer, they only sell the intelligence and knowledge showing people how it can make their edge facing prodcuts that much more effective and efficient.

If Prophese is still working on it, I am sure others like Megachips, MagikEye, Reneses, Arms etc. are also busy designing chips using Akida. The fiinal products are just not in the market yet.

When? I don't know, but the recent success in the areospace industry is surely indicating that the technology works and some of the most brilliant engineers are now working to make rockets fly better. Brainchip seems to be doing a lot of right things, like making the technology better (TENNS, Pico etc), partnering with the worlds best chip makers, car manufacturers, rockert builders and show casing our technology in every AI venue worth doing etc.

So instead of just bitching about management not doing anything for the shareholders, may be they need a pat on the back once in a while to show our understanding and keep their morale up.

I just hope Brainchip will make it big before they run out of our support.
Agree, it's only a matter of time.
 
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manny100

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Remember this corker of a quote from Spencer Huang, Chief Revenue Officer at Edge Impulse when he was being interviewed by Nandan Nayampally, CMO at BrainChip in the January 2024 podcast.

"I really applaud BrainChip for your technology and your intellectual property and I see every silicon vendor, every device will have your technology or neuromorphic-type technology in it. AI accelerate. This is going to be the norm."

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Then there was also the January 2025 podcast where Spencer Huang talked about how AKIDA is pushing the boundaries of what is possible in edge AI and "making science fiction a reality".

So, if AKIDA is pushing the boundaries of what is possible in edge AI and Qualcomm want to dominate the edge AI market, then wouldn't it make sense for Qualcomm to want to collaborate with us?





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'Bravo' Bravo, I bet Qualcomm dip their toes in the AKIDA pond in due course.
Will any of the 'biggies' ignore the Neuromorphic Edge entirely? Likely not.
There is a world of difference between what Qualcomm currently says is their Edge AI and the real world of AKIDA's EdgeAI.
 
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'Bravo' Bravo, I bet Qualcomm dip their toes in the AKIDA pond in due course.
Will any of the 'biggies' ignore the Neuromorphic Edge entirely? Likely not.
There is a world of difference between what Qualcomm currently says is their Edge AI and the real world of AKIDA's EdgeAI.
What’s stopping Qualcomm stopping edge impulse using us? Especially if we are a competitor
 
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AARONASX

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FYI, this has not started yet...but save it :)

Edit: AMA session, now is a good time to ask if Brainchip is involved.

 
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What’s stopping Qualcomm stopping edge impulse using us? Especially if we are a competitor
I guess part of what makes Edge Impulse...well...Edge Impulse, is that it was designed as per the below excerpt from Zac Shelby on their site yesterday.

If Qualcomm try to modify EI to be solely related to Qualcomm then you would suspect it detracts from the core market EI was created for and removes alot of flexibility that many Devs out there were attracted to in the first place.

No doubt Qualcomm will have their products front and centre and why wouldn't they but I would think the options for Devs and partners will still be in play.



In 2019, Jan Jongboom and I set out to democratize machine learning on edge compute for millions of developers. Recognizing that the compute capabilities of microcontrollers had grown to the point where they were able to run domain specific AI models directly onboard, we realized there were an endless number of use cases that would benefit from moving AI from the cloud to the edge. But there was a missing piece: a way to easily build, optimize, and deploy edge and domain-specific AI models onto these devices.

Together we launched Edge Impulse, an end-to-end platform that streamlines the edge AI workflow. Instead of having to manually collect and format data, hand-code and train model architectures, convert and compile models, and test for viability, Edge Impulse gives developers a tool that automates data collection, simplifies model training, provides advanced optimization tools, and offers one-click deployment to many types of hardware, from MCUs to CPUs, GPUs, and NPUs.

From their FAQ on the acquisition reiterating support for existing partners and hardware.




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Slade

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I guess part of what makes Edge Impulse...well...Edge Impulse, is that it was designed as per the below excerpt from Zac Shelby on their site yesterday.

If Qualcomm try to modify EI to be solely related to Qualcomm then you would suspect it detracts from the core market EI was created for and removes alot of flexibility that many Devs out there were attracted to in the first place.

No doubt Qualcomm will have their products front and centre and why wouldn't they but I would think the options for Devs and partners will still be in play.



In 2019, Jan Jongboom and I set out to democratize machine learning on edge compute for millions of developers. Recognizing that the compute capabilities of microcontrollers had grown to the point where they were able to run domain specific AI models directly onboard, we realized there were an endless number of use cases that would benefit from moving AI from the cloud to the edge. But there was a missing piece: a way to easily build, optimize, and deploy edge and domain-specific AI models onto these devices.

Together we launched Edge Impulse, an end-to-end platform that streamlines the edge AI workflow. Instead of having to manually collect and format data, hand-code and train model architectures, convert and compile models, and test for viability, Edge Impulse gives developers a tool that automates data collection, simplifies model training, provides advanced optimization tools, and offers one-click deployment to many types of hardware, from MCUs to CPUs, GPUs, and NPUs.

From their FAQ on the acquisition reiterating support for existing partners and hardware.




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“Jan Jongboom and I set out to democratize machine learning on edge compute for millions of developers.”

Then we sold it to Qualcomm.
 
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manny100

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I guess part of what makes Edge Impulse...well...Edge Impulse, is that it was designed as per the below excerpt from Zac Shelby on their site yesterday.

If Qualcomm try to modify EI to be solely related to Qualcomm then you would suspect it detracts from the core market EI was created for and removes alot of flexibility that many Devs out there were attracted to in the first place.

No doubt Qualcomm will have their products front and centre and why wouldn't they but I would think the options for Devs and partners will still be in play.



In 2019, Jan Jongboom and I set out to democratize machine learning on edge compute for millions of developers. Recognizing that the compute capabilities of microcontrollers had grown to the point where they were able to run domain specific AI models directly onboard, we realized there were an endless number of use cases that would benefit from moving AI from the cloud to the edge. But there was a missing piece: a way to easily build, optimize, and deploy edge and domain-specific AI models onto these devices.

Together we launched Edge Impulse, an end-to-end platform that streamlines the edge AI workflow. Instead of having to manually collect and format data, hand-code and train model architectures, convert and compile models, and test for viability, Edge Impulse gives developers a tool that automates data collection, simplifies model training, provides advanced optimization tools, and offers one-click deployment to many types of hardware, from MCUs to CPUs, GPUs, and NPUs.

From their FAQ on the acquisition reiterating support for existing partners and hardware.




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Good post FMF, ta
 
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Xray1

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I guess part of what makes Edge Impulse...well...Edge Impulse, is that it was designed as per the below excerpt from Zac Shelby on their site yesterday.

If Qualcomm try to modify EI to be solely related to Qualcomm then you would suspect it detracts from the core market EI was created for and removes alot of flexibility that many Devs out there were attracted to in the first place.

No doubt Qualcomm will have their products front and centre and why wouldn't they but I would think the options for Devs and partners will still be in play.



In 2019, Jan Jongboom and I set out to democratize machine learning on edge compute for millions of developers. Recognizing that the compute capabilities of microcontrollers had grown to the point where they were able to run domain specific AI models directly onboard, we realized there were an endless number of use cases that would benefit from moving AI from the cloud to the edge. But there was a missing piece: a way to easily build, optimize, and deploy edge and domain-specific AI models onto these devices.

Together we launched Edge Impulse, an end-to-end platform that streamlines the edge AI workflow. Instead of having to manually collect and format data, hand-code and train model architectures, convert and compile models, and test for viability, Edge Impulse gives developers a tool that automates data collection, simplifies model training, provides advanced optimization tools, and offers one-click deployment to many types of hardware, from MCUs to CPUs, GPUs, and NPUs.

From their FAQ on the acquisition reiterating support for existing partners and hardware.




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IMO.... I think that Qualcomm knew all along as did Edge Impulse, that BrainChip as a Co and its technology wasn't up for sale nor any takeover target at any cost. Accordingly, imo Qualcomm knew quite well, that Edge Impulse has had a very long-standing association with BRN and who have jointly and extensively researched, experimented, tested, supported and adopted Akida IP with their own ei requirements over many years, at most likely a very significant / substantial financial cost. It's my view, that Qualcomm, just hasn't walked into this agreement with edge impulse purely by chance without firstly doing any of their own due diligence on both Edge Impulse and their partners or associates, unless there was a potential financial gain in it for them and as a potential back-door / foothold into BRN's technologically advanced Neuromorphic AI IP technology, which could in turn and most likely extend upon what Qualcomm can expand upon within their own current at the edge AI offerings as well as the only commercially available Neuromorphic AI products and solutions.
Like always DYOR
 
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Slade

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IMO.... I think that Qualcomm knew all along as did Edge Impulse, that BrainChip as a Co and its technology wasn't up for sale nor any takeover target at any cost. Accordingly, imo Qualcomm knew quite well, that Edge Impulse has had a very long-standing association with BRN and who have jointly and extensively researched, experimented, tested, supported and adopted Akida IP with their own ei requirements over many years, at most likely a very significant / substantial financial cost. It's my view, that Qualcomm, just hasn't walked into this agreement with edge impulse purely by chance without firstly doing any of their own due diligence on both Edge Impulse and their partners or associates, unless there was a potential financial gain in it for them and as a potential back-door / foothold into BRN's technologically advanced Neuromorphic AI IP technology, which could in turn and most likely extend upon what Qualcomm can expand upon within their own current at the edge AI offerings as well as the only commercially available Neuromorphic AI products and solutions.
Like always DYOR
Maybe. And maybe they just want to slow down the adoption of their competitor’s technology while pushing forward their own.
Be good to hear from someone from BrainChip comment.
 
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“Jan Jongboom and I set out to democratize machine learning on edge compute for millions of developers.”

Then we sold it to Qualcomm.
Money talks I s'pose.

A language BRN are still trying to learn properly to communicate with their clients & SH's....suggest they got it down pat internally though :LOL:
 
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manny100

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Question:
From the news release today:
" BrainChip will also demonstrate its edge LLM model based on Temporal Enabled-Neural Networks (TENNs) at the event."
Was the LLM model included in the original TENN's release or added shortly after or is it a 'brand new' addition we were not aware of?
Is it the " new invention" Tony Lewis refered to in his Linkedin post?
 
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Maybe. And maybe they just want to slow down the adoption of their competitor’s technology while pushing forward their own.
Be good to hear from someone from BrainChip comment.

IMO.... I think that Qualcomm knew all along as did Edge Impulse, that BrainChip as a Co and its technology wasn't up for sale nor any takeover target at any cost. Accordingly, imo Qualcomm knew quite well, that Edge Impulse has had a very long-standing association with BRN and who have jointly and extensively researched, experimented, tested, supported and adopted Akida IP with their own ei requirements over many years, at most likely a very significant / substantial financial cost. It's my view, that Qualcomm, just hasn't walked into this agreement with edge impulse purely by chance without firstly doing any of their own due diligence on both Edge Impulse and their partners or associates, unless there was a potential financial gain in it for them and as a potential back-door / foothold into BRN's technologically advanced Neuromorphic AI IP technology, which could in turn and most likely extend upon what Qualcomm can expand upon within their own current at the edge AI offerings as well as the only commercially available Neuromorphic AI products and solutions.
Like always DYOR
Not certain that's how it will work myself but could be wrong.

You still need the hardware / IP to run the process on eg datasets, models etc (EI assist Devs with the creation of these) but EI don't own the hardware / IP, we do.

As EI says:

"Build datasets, train models, and optimize libraries to run directly on device; from the smallest microcontrollers to gateways with the latest neural accelerators (and anything in between)."
 
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Slade

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Not certain that's how it will work myself but could be wrong.

You still need the hardware / IP to run the process on eg datasets, models etc (EI assist Devs with the creation of these) but EI don't own the hardware / IP, we do.

As EI says:

"Build datasets, train models, and optimize libraries to run directly on device; from the smallest microcontrollers to gateways with the latest neural accelerators (and anything in between)."
@Fullmoonfever it will be interesting to watch how things unfold over the next year or so.
 
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Diogenese

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IMO.... I think that Qualcomm knew all along as did Edge Impulse, that BrainChip as a Co and its technology wasn't up for sale nor any takeover target at any cost. Accordingly, imo Qualcomm knew quite well, that Edge Impulse has had a very long-standing association with BRN and who have jointly and extensively researched, experimented, tested, supported and adopted Akida IP with their own ei requirements over many years, at most likely a very significant / substantial financial cost. It's my view, that Qualcomm, just hasn't walked into this agreement with edge impulse purely by chance without firstly doing any of their own due diligence on both Edge Impulse and their partners or associates, unless there was a potential financial gain in it for them and as a potential back-door / foothold into BRN's technologically advanced Neuromorphic AI IP technology, which could in turn and most likely extend upon what Qualcomm can expand upon within their own current at the edge AI offerings as well as the only commercially available Neuromorphic AI products and solutions.
Like always DYOR
I'm guessing that, because EI works with several companies who are mutual competitors, they would need to have established Chinese walls to prevent cross-company information flow to protect each comapny's IP/confidntial information, and I'm hoping that these restrictions continue under the new regieme.
 
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I'm guessing that, because EI works with several companies who are mutual competitors, they would need to have established Chinese walls to prevent cross-company information flow to protect each comapny's IP/confidntial information, and I'm hoping that these restrictions continue under the new regieme.
When I was in the game there was a thing called "co-opertition"...................😄
 
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JoMo68

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I'm guessing that, because EI works with several companies who are mutual competitors, they would need to have established Chinese walls to prevent cross-company information flow to protect each comapny's IP/confidntial information, and I'm hoping that these restrictions continue under the new regieme.
I hope this doesn’t end up the way of the Arm/Qualcomm/Nuvia stouch. ‘Acquisition/IP’ via the ‘back door’ ….
 
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I hope this doesn’t end up the way of the Arm/Qualcomm/Nuvia stouch. ‘Acquisition/IP’ via the ‘back door’ ….
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I hope this doesn’t end up the way of the Arm/Qualcomm/Nuvia stouch. ‘Acquisition/IP’ via the ‘back door’ ….
Sounds painful and unproductive, would that also mean Brn being violated - no revenue?
 
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TECH

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Maybe. And maybe they just want to slow down the adoption of their competitor’s technology while pushing forward their own.
Be good to hear from someone from BrainChip comment.

Hi Slade,

It's a roller-coaster mate....are we in or are we out, are we ??

So much speculation, and I wonder why, we have always had so many questions about how and why our company make certain
decisions, lets be honest here, Sean, as far as he is concerned is only 3.5 years into building a companies credibility with customers,
potential or otherwise, I think the Board is strong enough to pull Sean into line if they think he's leading the company down a dead
end ally, but like you I'd suggest, we all wish to see something more solid by 4 years into a 5 year plan, so I guess he's expecting
fireworks over the next 9 months !

On a very positive note, Peter told me awhile ago when Tony was about to takeover his role that, Tony was a go-getter, he doesn't
mess around, this to me is exactly what I've witnessed, he is pretty active on Linkedin, some of his comments are quite detailed, he
clearly is proud of where Peter and Anil left off and has taken the reins in a no-mucking around approach.

I like his style, and tomorrow, later in the day will be making a presentation at Nuremberg, he has a different type of personality than
Peter or Anil, who are both reserved, and I say that with the utmost respect, I love Peter and Anil, true gentlemen and the true face of
Brainchip forever.

I have a question for some whom have commented about the move to the US market, if it's not a Nasdaq Listing, why bother ?

My views are clear, convince me why this move is key by years end, early 2026, I'd like Antonio to sell me the idea, let's be honest,
he's the gun IP salesman ! Apparently !

No Regerts (bloody tattoo).......Tech :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:(y)
 
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