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Yoda
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I once asked Tony Dawe if there is a written partnership agreement with the partners and he told me there was. I assume that agreement would deal with IP.
I've come to think of the Partnership Agreements as being like an IP Licence but without the fee to encourage uptake of the product.
Baron Von Ricta
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Yoda,
That's what I was thinking. There has been a lot of banging on here about lack of signed IP licences but I see the Partnerships as 'IP licences'
So any jointly produced commercial products would be income but without the upfront licence fee.
You gotta be happy with that...... Just wait a little longer.
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Yoda
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Yes I agree. If you look at it that way we have agreements with many clients and we are just waiting for those clients to produce a product with Akida and start paying royalties. Presumably, because there was no upfront licence fee and because the timeline for the client to produce a product was long and uncertain, these agreements were not announced on the ASX as commercially sensitive. However, as time goes by, it may well come to pass that some, if not most, of these agreements will become commercially significant and income producing.
Question: what are our EAP's so concerned about?
They won't recoup the money they spend on developing a product with Akida2.
And they won't be able to support the product into the future unless they hire ML coders and SNN data analysts.
That is why the FPGA interim solution is important. i.e. they can assess the real-time inferencing that Akida can bring, without the whole thing being a simulation. It's also a hindrance since FPGA programmers are rarer than ML coders.
Believe it or not I think there is a piece missing in our eco-system -eg a company that could put together a working cybersecurity solution using QV's models on akida hardware on an FPGA chip and take that box around to demonstrations.
rgupta
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Are you interpreting the situation as per your knowledge or you want to tell us the facts we don't know yet?Yes I agree. If you look at it that way we have agreements with many clients and we are just waiting for those clients to produce a product with Akida and start paying royalties. Presumably, because there was no upfront licence fee and because the timeline for the client to produce a product was long and uncertain, these agreements were not announced on the ASX as commercially sensitive. However, as time goes by, it may well come to pass that some, if not most, of these agreements will become commercially significant and income producing.
Dyor
Yoda
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No, I'm interpreting based on what we know and what Tony Dawe told me.
rgupta
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So you mean TD told you that brainchip had signed contracts with partners and waiting for products with Akida but cannot tell the market because of NDAs?
Fullmoonfever
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Have this Fraunhofer student connection who has set up the following on GitHub updated 2 days ago.
Wonder if stand alone work or part of a project there?
A comprehensive pipeline for training, quantizing, and converting neural networks to utilise Brainchip's Akida neuromorphic processor to classify ECG Signals.
github.com
Wonder if stand alone work or part of a project there?
A comprehensive pipeline for training, quantizing, and converting neural networks to utilise Brainchip's Akida neuromorphic processor to classify ECG Signals.
GitHub - mer0o/Akida-ECG-Classification: A comprehensive pipeline for training, quantizing, and converting neural networks to utilise Brainchip's Akida neuromorphic processor to classify ECG Signals.
A comprehensive pipeline for training, quantizing, and converting neural networks to utilise Brainchip's Akida neuromorphic processor to classify ECG Signals. - mer0o/Akida-ECG-Classification
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Omar Emadeldeen
Studentische HiWi @ Fraunhofer HHI | Communications Engineering Student @GIU Berlin
Fraunhofer Heinrich Hertz Institute HHI German International University Berlin
Pom down under
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So Keith was adapting Akida for C++ systems:
"Created a C++ library for pre and post processing of different data types to be used in Akida machine learning demos. Converted Brainchip’s PyTorch TENN state space model for their LLM RAG demo from Python to C++."
At first, I thought the obvious target was Prophesee:
https://docs.prophesee.ai/stable/get_started/get_started_cpp.html
"In this Section, we will create a minimal sample to get started with Metavision SDK C++ API. The goal of this sample is to introduce in the simplest possible way some basic concepts of Metavision SDK and create a first running example."
But C++ is a very popular language (dare one say "semi-ubiquitous?"), and LLM RAG isn't really of interest to Prophesee applications, so this could open additional opportunities.
Tony Lewis'pre-Embedded World Linkedin post:
https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7303922948698947584/
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2) State-Space Models: A paradigm-shifting metaphor for brain processing, capturing the essences of brain-like processing in a predictable engineering framework. This approach has the potential to redefine how we understand and replicate brain-like intelligence. This represents the next generation of BrainChip products.
At Nuremberg I will be carrying under my arm the what I believe is our most valuable intellectual property to date: an extreme-edge Large Language Model (LLM) that redefines the boundaries of AI deployment. You will be able to see the FPGA embodiment at EW at our booth."
The EW demo of NLP (LLM+RAG?) that I saw did not go into much detail other than the Akida/TENNs ASIC would be 10 times faster than the FPGA,.
Looking forward to the Akida 2/TENNs ASIC.
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Fullmoonfever
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Cheers. So the language is going to be important to end use obviously and you are saying the C++ may open additional avenues.
Phone processors or home appliaces use what language primarily...you know?
Only cause the LLM demo this guy appeared to have helped with was liked by him on his LinkedIn and was the one which had the fridge etc on the screen.
"Looking forward to the Akida 2/TENNs ASIC."
Time to call in all favours and make this happen.
Pom down under
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yea and some revenue from it in 2030s
Frangipani
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Volkswagen decided to sell their in-house currywurst in supermarkets…and some people here are complaining about BrainChip’s t-shirt era in the beginning…
Currywurst von VW im Supermarkt: „Kult, Bestseller-Status, globale Ikone“
Im Kerngeschäft lief es für Volkswagen zuletzt denkbar schlecht. Dafür gibt es den Kantinen-Bestseller des Konzerns bald auch für Zuhause.www.faz.net
That move by crisis-hit German carmaker VW is far from being an act of desperation, though, like some readers might infer from the above comment by our forum’s top Germany-bashing poster: While VW’s car sales have been declining, its signature sausage is in fact wildly popular, sold internationally and even has its own Volkswagen Original Part number - 199 398 500 A.
The FAZ title is somewhat misleading, though, as the iconic sausage as such is already being sold in select supermarkets as well as online - the soon-to-be-launched novelty is going to be a ready-to-eat-once-heated version, cut up and slathered in VW’s secret recipe sauce (a special ketchup produced exclusively for VW by Develey and listed as Volkswagen Originalteil 199 398 500 B.)
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen-Currywurst (German)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_currywurst (English)
German carmaker Volkswagen's in-house sausage brand sets sales record
The core car business is weakening, but German auto giant Volkswagen (VW) was able to set a sales record for an unexpected product in 2024: sausages. Volkswagen's line of sausages saw 8,552,000 units sold in 2024 in canteens and supermarkets. That includes VW's packaged currywurst, a much-loved...
“For the flagship VW brand, the sausages are by far the best-selling product. In 2024, the 8.5 million sausages compared to around 5.2 million cars and vans with the VW logo.”
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