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Iseki

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I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings but it looks like the REBECCA project will be utilizing IMEC's SENeCA neuromorphic processor. :(

I discovered this because one of the consortium partners on the REBECCA project is IMEC, which got me thinking.

Then I found this research paper dated 28 March 2024, under the REBECCA project's grant agreement No. 101097224 (see below). As you can see the research paper focusses on the SENeCA architecture and the authors were all employed by IMEC. The paper compares results with SpiNNaker2 and Loihi, but not AKIDA. However, it does state that "our optimizations for event-based neural networks can be potentially generalized to a wide range of event-based neuromorphic processors."

On a positive note, I noticed that the Funding Statement on the research paper also shows NimbleAI (Horizon EU under grant agreement 101070679). And we know that NimbleAI are combining AKIDA 1500 with the Hailo-8 accelerator for inference processing for one of their prototypes, so it may not be out of the question for different prototypes to be explored in the REBECCA project in the same way that NimbleAI has.

Do we know what's happening with SENeCA's SNN processor at the moment? I believe from past discussions IMEC were looking at taping out in Q1 2025, planned to be submitted to the foundry in Jan 2025.



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Great find. I think we are a long way ahead of them - imec is a research org, the Nimble chip ip providers seem to be FPGA designers, and their industry advisory board include some of our "partners": ESA, prophesee, Edge Impulse, RTX. It's a pitty that we aren't there, but these guys are just a consortium, and for them to make commercially available chips they would have to spin off a company etc etc, I think.
 
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The development of cybersecurity solutions using neuromorphic computing platforms provides an opportunity to shatter barriers and offer cyber security solutions that operate at a fraction of the power and cost of GPU based platforms.

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That was a definite whale chomp, into the 35 cent line. 😉


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Adika

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We can pretty safely assume the neuromorphic processor in that paper will turn out to be Intel’s Loihi.

The paper’s first author David Harbour is the son of Steven Harbour (who is also one of the co-authors). Steven Harbour left SwRI (Southwest Research Institute) last year to become Director of AI Hardware Research at Parallax Advanced Research.

In March, while still at SwRI (which has been closely collaborating with Intel on neuromorphic research for years), Steven Harbour posted this…

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… tagging Mike Davies and two former Intel Labs researchers (Tim Shea and Yulia Sandamirskaya) as well as Gregory Cohen who is doing research on neuromorphic cameras in space at Western Sydney University’s ICNS.

And I also recalled having seen a poster of the above-mentioned paper on the Parallax website (referring to related work, which includes a paper involving Loihi, co-authored by Steven Harbour):



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And it appears there is no Akida in the REBECCA project either…

Klepsydra and Frontgrade Gaisler are collaborating on the GR765 - which I believe to be the microprocessor our company will also be involved in.

See also Alf Kuchenbuch’s 👍🏻 I spotted almost a year ago:

https://thestockexchange.com.au/threads/brn-discussion-ongoing.1/post-407807


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However, unlike Klepsydra, Frontgrade is not even a consortium partner in the REBECCA project.

IMEC, however, is.


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Looks like you were a little slow off the mark in correcting @Bravo about IMEC this time, she beat you to it! Better luck next time!
 
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Frangipani

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I think it's great to see NimbleAI combining AKIDA 1500 with the Hailo-8 accelerator for inference processing for their prototype.

Why? Because, as mentioned in the post above, Renesas utilised Hailo-8 AI accelerators for the Renesas' R-Car V4H SoC.

So, the news from NimbleAI further bolsters my hope that our tech may be included in the upcoming Renesas R-Car X5H. Surely NimbleAI can't be the only ones to think that pairing Akida and Hailo is a good idea, can they?
On a positive note, I noticed that the Funding Statement on the research paper also shows NimbleAI (Horizon EU under grant agreement 101070679). And we know that NimbleAI are combining AKIDA 1500 with the Hailo-8 accelerator for inference processing for one of their prototypes, so it may not be out of the question for different prototypes to be explored in the REBECCA project in the same way that NimbleAI has.

Do we really know that?
No, we don’t.

NimbleAI won’t be combining the AKD1500 and the Hailo-8; instead, the two processors will be benchmarked against each other:




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After all, the prototype is going to have only one PCIe slot to fit either Hailo or Akida.

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As of July 2024, NimbleAI’s project coordinator Xabier Iturbe was still hoping for the AKD1500 to become available as a M.2 module, though
(cf his mail reply to @AI_Inquirer here:
https://thestockexchange.com.au/threads/brn-discussion-ongoing.1/post-446343)
 

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Adika

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Do we really know that?
No, we don’t.

NimbleAI won’t be combining the AKD1500 and the Hailo-8; instead, the two processors will be benchmarked against each other:




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After all, the prototype is going to have only one PCIe slot to fit either Hailo or Akida.

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As of July 2024, NimbleAI’s project coordinator Xabier Iturbe was still hoping for the AKD1500 to become available as a M.2 module, though
(cf his mail reply to @AI_Inquirer here:
https://thestockexchange.com.au/threads/brn-discussion-ongoing.1/post-446343)
Gees, that didn't take you long!
 
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Boab

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The development of cybersecurity solutions using neuromorphic computing platforms provides an opportunity to shatter barriers and offer cyber security solutions that operate at a fraction of the power and cost of GPU based platforms.

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The white paper is about the collaboration between Quantum Ventura and Brainchip
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Frangipani

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Looks like you were a little slow off the mark in correcting @Bravo about IMEC this time, she beat you to it! Better luck next time!

No, she didn’t. She only posted about it earlier, while I was still busy with other things.

It is now January 17, shortly after 0.30 am my time. I took the following screenshot on January 16, at 8:44 am my time. That’s almost 16 hours ago.

So who found out first about IMEC developing the neuromorphic AI accelerator for the REBECCA project? 🤣

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Slade

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The white paper is about the collaboration between Quantum Ventura and Brainchip
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Thank you @Boab BrainChip and Quantum Ventura have been working together for a long time. Great to see that they have had success in developing a Cyber Security solution.
 
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No, she didn’t. She only posted about it earlier, while I was still busy with other things.

It is now January 17, shortly after 0.30 am my time. I took the following screenshot on January 16, at 8:44 am my time. That’s almost 16 hours ago.

So who found out first about IMEC developing the neuromorphic AI accelerator for the REBECCA project? 🤣

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This post has attained a very high score on the wuckfit scale.
 
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Adika

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No, she didn’t. She only posted about it earlier, while I was still busy with other things.

It is now January 17, shortly after 0.30 am my time. I took the following screenshot on January 16, at 8:44 am my time. That’s almost 16 hours ago.

So who found out first about IMEC developing the neuromorphic AI accelerator for the REBECCA project? 🤣

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I believe Bravo said she was putting you on ignore the other day so it’s a bit silly if you expect her to respond to you. I don’t blame her either. You seem desperate to try to find ways to criticise her contributions and you always manage to do it in a condescending way.

If something that another person has posted is inaccurate, why don’t you politely point it out instead of trying to score points for yourself? That’s exactly what you did with Fact Finder and look what happened. He’s no longer here on TSEx which sux. But that’s what usually happens when you relentlessly criticize other people. I’m sure most people who post here don’t expect to be constantly under interrogation or held to the same standards as a professor.

As @7für7 pointed out the other day, most people like Bravo come here to contribute not expecting to get any credit but simply because they enjoy sharing information You on the hand, make it all about yourself and gloat about how you posted every bit of information before anyone else did. It’s pretty immature.
 
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You remember when you were 7 don't you. 🤣
 
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I would like to ask a question to the Technically smarter folks here on if any of BRN products could be implemented into a mobile phone for cybersecurity purposes and if so how do you see this working and with what partner would have the capability to do so, Quantum Ventura ?.
Any thoughts on this are much appreciated.
 
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Slade

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Slade

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I would like to ask a question to the Technically smarter folks here on if any of BRN products could be implemented into a mobile phone for cybersecurity purposes and if so how do you see this working and with what partner would have the capability to do so, Quantum Ventura ?.
Any thoughts on this are much appreciated.
That’s an interesting question and I will leave it to the likes of @Diogenese to answer. However, it looks like Quantum Ventura have have been exploring security on mobile phones.
 
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