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[Baron Von Ricta]

Do elephants need hearing aids, or do they just listen to trunk calls?

Now you're showing your age

 

[TopCat]

Haven’t heard of Sahoma in a while. Wonder if they’re still talking to us?

Sahoma Controlware on LinkedIn: MQTT vs OPC UA: Choosing the Right Protocol for Your Industrial Needs

Choosing the Right Protocol for Your Industrial Project: MQTT vs OPC UA Industrial automation and IIoT are evolving rapidly, and with them, the need for…

www.linkedin.com

 

[Diogenese]

Now you're showing your age

Yes - I've had to explain it to a couple of millennials.

You know - you have to give them THE talk ...

"Once upon a time, when the world was still black and white, there was no internet and mobile phones did not exist ..."

 

[Smoothsailing]

So my thinking is if we are to get an announcement prior to Christmas it will need to be next week or the following. After that the big companies will well and truly be closing shop for a month or two IMO.
Fingers crossed

 

[CHIPS]

So my thinking is if we are to get an announcement prior to Christmas it will need to be next week or the following. After that the big companies will well and truly be closing shop for a month or two IMO.
Fingers crossed

I don't expect anything to come this year.

 

[Pom down under]

I don't expect anything to come this year.

Mine Xmas present has already arrived in the way of my XRP and know I don’t know what do, cash some buy more BRN or let it ride, but I could buy a shit load more BRN

 

[schuey]

I don't expect anything to come this year.

If your right then Sean has failed......

 

[TheUnfairAdvantage]

If your right then Sean has failed......

Again.

After watching the Qualcomm 2024 investor day presentation on YouTube you would have to wonder why anyone would bet against them and chose a little ole Aussie chip company. Qualcomm have all bases covered. Can Akida slip in there somewhere?

 

[CHIPS]

If your right then Sean has failed......

This is too early to judge. Wait until the end of the second quarter of 2025, or at least until the next Annual Meeting ... Sean did not say THIS YEAR, right?!

 

[Frangipani]

Today, numerous articles on some of the promising future technologies Mercedes-Benz is exploring were published online, after the carmaker had recently invited journalists to its Future Technologies Lab in Sindelfingen.

And of course - you guessed it - neuromorphic computing was one of them.
(I also find solar coating another interesting concept).

There was also a press release by MB itself:

https://media.mbusa.com/releases/release-27244e6a47579560c441795d24003bbb-pioneering-innovations-for-the-car-of-the-future-mercedes-benz-provides-exclusive-insights-into-research-activities-and-future-technologies

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a62963154/mercedes-benz-is-driving-forward-to-the-future/

Neuromorphic Computer soll Energiebedarf einschränken

Zukünftige Fahrzeuge werden mehr Funktionen wie autonomes Fahren bieten, was den Energiebedarf steigert. Mercedes-Benz setzt auf Neuromorphic Computing, um KI effizienter zu machen und den Energieverbrauch um bis zu 90 % zu senken.

mbpassion.de

Playmobil-Männchen im Einsatz…

German magazine auto, motor und sport published both an online article and a video on MB & neuromorphic computing earlier today (both in German) that literally confirm what I’ve been suspecting: that Mercedes-Benz is nowhere near to implementing neuromorphic technology at scale into their serial cars…

Sparsame KI-Chips fürs automatisierte Fahren: Neue KI-Chips von Mercedes für mehr Reichweite

Mercedes forscht an neuromorphen KI-Chips, die den Energiehunger künstlicher Intelligenz in der Elektronik fürs autonome Fahren eindämmen sollen. Aktuell würde ein Level-4-System nämlich die Reichweite eines E-Autos um bis zu 30 Prozent verringern. Wie die Technik funktioniert und was...

www.auto-motor-und-sport.de

“Der Weg in die Serie ist noch weit.” - “It’s still a long way to serial cars”.

“Bis neuromorphe Chips ihren Weg ins Auto finden, wird es wohl noch einige Jahre dauern.” - “It’ll probably take a few years / It looks as if it will still take a few years until neuromorphic chips will find their way into (serial) cars.”

Mercedes forscht an neuer KI-Technik: Mit mehr Effizienz zum automatisierten Fahren

Um den Energiehunger von KI-Systemen zu stillen forscht Mercedes an neuromorpher Hardware, mit der autonomes Fahren effizienter werden soll.

www.auto-motor-und-sport.de

“Diese Technologie steht jedoch noch am Anfang und erfordert umfangreiche Tests und Zertifizierungen, bevor sie in Autos eingesetzt werden kann.”

“However, this technology is still in its infancy and requires extensive testing and certification before it can be used in cars.”

Something similar is said in the video itself around the 5 min mark.


Other articles are behind a paywall, but maybe one of you happens to be a subscriber and could check out whether there are any additional snippets of interest worth sharing?

Das Auto der Zukunft: Besuch im Forschungslabor von Mercedes-Benz

Flotte Akkus, stromerzeugende Lacke und wartungsfreie Bremsen: Das Auto der Zukunft ist weit mehr als ein Smartphone auf Rädern. Ein Besuch im Forschungslabor von Mercedes-Benz.

www.faz.net

Seltene Einblicke: Bremsen ohne Feinstaub – und 5 weitere Zukunftspläne von Mercedes

Der Autohersteller Mercedes-Benz definiert sich als Innovationsmotor – und gewährt einen seltenen Blick in die Forschungswerkstatt. Was dort entwickelt wird, lesen Sie hier.

www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de

My guess is that the next Mercedes-Benz LinkedIn post regarding NC will give us some more details about the research collaboration with HKA (Hochschule Karlsruhe) on neuromorphic cameras. Or it might be a post announcing the collaboration between Mercedes and Neurobus that I had spotted on Nov 12 (https://thestockexchange.com.au/threads/brn-discussion-ongoing.1/post-441454).

 

[IloveLamp]

This is too early to judge. Wait until the end of the second quarter of 2025, or at least until the next Annual Meeting ... Sean did not say THIS YEAR, right?!

Switch 2 Release Date Rumor Has Every Nintendo Fan Locked in for a December Reveal

Could the Nintendo Switch 2 be unveiled this December? Discover the latest rumors, including a potential Q1 2025 launch.

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[FJ-215]

This is too early to judge. Wait until the end of the second quarter of 2025, or at least until the next Annual Meeting ... Sean did not say THIS YEAR, right?!

Hi CHIPS,
Sean is always very careful with his words. This interview with him is worth another look. Does he say 2024 is the year? Does he imply it?
(Edit: Nov 9/2023)

 

[rgupta]

Again.

After watching the Qualcomm 2024 investor day presentation on YouTube you would have to wonder why anyone would bet against them and chose a little ole Aussie chip company. Qualcomm have all bases covered. Can Akida slip in there somewhere?

I don't know why you want to compare brn with qualcomm.
Qualcomm is a big established player, while brn is a start up for last 12 years. We all know Qualcomm use arm ip for most of their products and they may use brn IP as well. Arm is our technology partner which means our technology may have some benefits with arm technology. Which in other way, may mean Qualcomm may be using us in their future endeavors or may need to use us. Qualcomm is not a competitor of brainchip because we are not even in the picture.
The only way for growth of brn is to sell it's technology to Qualcomm than to compete with qualcomm or any big player.
Dyor

 

[TheUnfairAdvantage]

I don't know why you want to compare brn with qualcomm.
Qualcomm is a big established player, while brn is a start up for last 12 years. We all know Qualcomm use arm ip for most of their products and they may use brn IP as well. Arm is our technology partner which means our technology may have some benefits with arm technology. Which in other way, may mean Qualcomm may be using us in their future endeavors or may need to use us. Qualcomm is not a competitor of brainchip because we are not even in the picture.
The only way for growth of brn is to sell it's technology to Qualcomm than to compete with qualcomm or any big player.
Dyor

So you have watched the Qualcomm investor presentation then

 

[rgupta]

So you have watched the Qualcomm investor presentation then

I am neither invested in Qualcomm, nor have a motivation to invest in them in near future, so no I did not see their presentation.
I am invested in brainchip and want follow the same. And I don't want to compare brn with anyone like apple, Google, Nvidia, Qualcomm, arm etc . They are all established players and world leaders while we have to start getting our 1st cent of royalty.
To me brainchip have a technology and have a future for their technology. Will they compete with existing players or go with existing players only our company statements can tell the same.
Qualcomm is a very good company around 400 times bigger than brn, around 10000 times revenue than brainchip, but there is no comparison here. Once we start getting into main stream and one of Qualcomm or their competitor will start using our IP only then I would like to compare. Unneccessary comparing can either be a hype or doom for brainchip. Yes I want team brainchip should sell their IP to Qualcomm but that is work for team brainchip, I cannot do much about that.
Dyor

 

[7für7]

Mine Xmas present has already arrived in the way of my XRP and know I don’t know what do, cash some buy more BRN or let it ride, but I could buy a shit load more BRN

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Same here but I’ll just let it run. I don’t see the point in exchanging a currency that might later be worth more than other currencies for a cheaper one. I think if everything goes well, some people will be glad they held on to it. Just my opinion.

 

[manny100]

I don't know why you want to compare brn with qualcomm.
Qualcomm is a big established player, while brn is a start up for last 12 years. We all know Qualcomm use arm ip for most of their products and they may use brn IP as well. Arm is our technology partner which means our technology may have some benefits with arm technology. Which in other way, may mean Qualcomm may be using us in their future endeavors or may need to use us. Qualcomm is not a competitor of brainchip because we are not even in the picture.
The only way for growth of brn is to sell it's technology to Qualcomm than to compete with qualcomm or any big player.
Dyor

One of our partners Prophesee is a supplier to Qualcomm.
We make Prophesee products smarter.

 

[manny100]

BrainChip, Prophesee to deliver “neuromorphic” event-based vision systems for OEMs | Edge Industry Review

The collaboration will enable enterprise customers to explore edge artificial intelligence use cases with neuromorphic vision systems.

www.edgeir.com

Prophesee teams with Qualcomm on faster event-based smartphone cameras

Prophesee has partnered with Qualcomm to bring a new kind of fast image sensor to smartphone cameras.

venturebeat.com

 

[Bravo]

One of our partners Prophesee is a supplier to Qualcomm.
We make Prophesee products smarter.

That's a great point @manny100.

It might be a simplistic way of looking at things, but for me it boils down to two particular areas:

• performance and efficiency calculated by TOPS/watt, and
• the unique processing capabilities that BrainChip's technology can bring to the table

If BrainChip's technology can deliver on both of these areas in a meaningful way, then there should be no reason for Qualcomm not to want to integrate it into their products. As has been mentioned numerous times, we are trying to position ourselves as a partner rather than a competitor to behemoths like Qualcomm and NVIDIA.

In terms of determining the TOPS/watt capabilities of Qualcomm's chips, it's a bit tricky because there doesn't seem to be any specified values from the manufacturer on power consumption measurements. In this instance, the authors of one article (published 20 June 2024, linked below) estimated via their own power consumption measurements that "the most efficient power range of the Snapdragon X Elite chips seems to be 20-30 Watts".

AKIDA's Pico on the other hand operates in the microwatt (μW) to milliwatt (mW) range.

When it comes to the process that BrainChip's technology allows for, we can look to Max Maxfiled's latest article "Taking the Size and Power of Extreme Edge AI/ML to the Extreme Minimum" dated 21 Nov 2024. The obvious benefit is that you can "feed the event-based data from the camera directly to the event-based Akida processor, thereby cutting latency and power consumption to a minimum", as compared to other available techniques.

The big question is whether Qualcomm would see any value in adopting this type technology into their own products and I think that Judd Heape, VP for product management of camera, computer vision and video at Qualcomm Technologies, might have actually answered that question in an EE Times article dated 22 March 2023 when he stated the following.


EXTRACT - EE Times article dated 22 March 2023 (Interview with Judd Heape, VP for product management of camera, computer vision and video at Qualcomm Technologies).

EXTRACT - Notebook Check 20 June 2024

EXTRACT - Notebook Check 20 June 2024

EXTRACT - EE Journal"Taking the Size and Power of Extreme Edge AI/ML to the Extreme Minimum" 21 Nov 2024.

Links

EETimes article about Prophesee-Qualcomm deal

Full article here: https://www.eetimes.com/experts-weigh-impact-of-prophesee-qualcomm-deal/ Experts Weigh Impact of Prophesee-Qualcomm Deal ...

image-sensors-world.blogspot.com

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Qualcomm-Snapdragon-X-Elite-Analysis-More-efficient-than-AMD-Intel-but-Apple-stays-ahead.850221.0.html

Taking the Size and Power of Extreme Edge AI/ML to the Extreme Minimum

Earlier this year, I penned a couple of columns under the umbrella title “Mind-Boggling Neuromorphic Brain Chips.” One of the first comments I received concerning these columns was short, sharp, an…

www.eejournal.com

 

[rgupta]

That's a great point @manny100.

It might be a simplistic way of looking at things, but for me it boils down to two particular areas:

• performance and efficiency calculated by TOPS/watt, and
• the unique processing capabilities that BrainChip's technology can bring to the table

If BrainChip's technology can deliver on both of these areas in a meaningful way, then there should be no reason for Qualcomm not to want to integrate it into their products. As has been mentioned numerous times, we are trying to position ourselves as a partner rather than a competitor to behemoths like Qualcomm and NVIDIA.

In terms of determining the TOPS/watt capabilities of Qualcomm's chips, it's a bit tricky because there doesn't seem to be any specified values from the manufacturer on power consumption measurements. In this instance, the authors of one article (published 20 June 2024, linked below) estimated via their own power consumption measurements that "the most efficient power range of the Snapdragon X Elite chips seems to be 20-30 Watts".

AKIDA's Pico on the other hand operates in the microwatt (μW) to milliwatt (mW) range.

When it comes to the process that BrainChip's technology allows for, we can look to Max Maxfiled's latest article "Taking the Size and Power of Extreme Edge AI/ML to the Extreme Minimum" dated 21 Nov 2024. The obvious benefit is that you can "feed the event-based data from the camera directly to the event-based Akida processor, thereby cutting latency and power consumption to a minimum", as compared to other available techniques.

The big question is whether Qualcomm would see any value in adopting this type technology into their own products and I think that Judd Heape, VP for product management of camera, computer vision and video at Qualcomm Technologies, might have actually answered that question in an EE Times article dated 22 March 2023 when he stated the following.


EXTRACT - EE Times article dated 22 March 2023 (Interview with Judd Heape, VP for product management of camera, computer vision and video at Qualcomm Technologies).

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EXTRACT - Notebook Check 20 June 2024
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EXTRACT - EE Journal"Taking the Size and Power of Extreme Edge AI/ML to the Extreme Minimum" 21 Nov 2024.
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Links

EETimes article about Prophesee-Qualcomm deal

Full article here: https://www.eetimes.com/experts-weigh-impact-of-prophesee-qualcomm-deal/ Experts Weigh Impact of Prophesee-Qualcomm Deal ...

image-sensors-world.blogspot.com

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Qualcomm-Snapdragon-X-Elite-Analysis-More-efficient-than-AMD-Intel-but-Apple-stays-ahead.850221.0.html

Taking the Size and Power of Extreme Edge AI/ML to the Extreme Minimum

Earlier this year, I penned a couple of columns under the umbrella title “Mind-Boggling Neuromorphic Brain Chips.” One of the first comments I received concerning these columns was short, sharp, an…

www.eejournal.com

You are right Bravo we need not compete with tech behemoths.
A matter of fact no one can hide the sun. So if our solutions are better than others that will mean we are going to get our share sooner or later.
Event based processing sensors are new for the market place and similarly event based processor no one thought about a few years ago.
So let us see where we are heading to.