BRN Discussion Ongoing

View attachment 56439
Volumes are still low but are increasing, as is the percentage.
American investors may have a problem trying to buy large quantities of shares in USA.
Possibly, as more Americans become aware of Brianchip's Akida they have to find
new places to buy stocks in Brainchip.
Could be interesting to see if they turn up to buy on the ASX next week.. just a thought bubble.
Good work Dugnal 👍

I was wondering about the ADRs yesterday..

BrainChip, is also actually listed on many exchanges around the World, under various codes (Germany being the most well known and on several there).

Around 4 million shares a day, were trading on Germany's largest exchange, during the height of the Mercedes inspired spike.

Tracking the volume on the bigger exchanges, will be a good gauge of International interest, in BRN stock.

And it may be worthwhile, to start doing this.
 
  • Like
  • Fire
Reactions: 18 users
This would make everyone so happy. Right before the next AGM too! 🥳

I'm very hopeful on this one Bravo 👍
I think it's pretty obvious that the Switch 2, will be a Generational leap and not just an upgraded product.

Nintendo, is MegaChips most well known customer and I think they would have pushed our tech quite hard (in the Japanese way..).

There was even some BrainChip investor related material, about a couple of years back, that had a graphic of a gaming console controller, that was practically a perfect stylistic match of the Switch (although that could mean nothing at all, realistically speaking)..
 
Last edited:
  • Like
  • Fire
  • Thinking
Reactions: 22 users

Kachoo

Regular
Good work Dugnal 👍

I was wondering about the ADRs yesterday..

BrainChip, is also actually listed on many exchanges around the World, under various codes (Germany being the most well known and on several there).

Around 4 million shares a day, were trading on Germany's largest exchange, during the height of the Mercedes inspired spike.

Tracking the volume on the bigger exchanges, will be a good gauge of International interest, in BRN stock.

And it may be worthwhile, to start doing this.
I have a question.

I know the ARDs had 40 millio shares dedicated to them also these shares from the past announcement said were not available for loan to short.

Ad the liquidity picks up globally would this draw out liquidity from Australia forcing international house that sold shares to buyers in US and Europe to buy up on the Australian market?

I remember it was like clock work the price traded higher and higher where ever the share started trading.

So does increase price creat a chain reaction to forces house that sold to buyer on another excbange to buy up here hence creating the huge spike?

Be interesting to know the mechanics. I know eventually Australia will not dictate the price of BRN the 25 million population will be dwarfed buy the investment populations in other regions. BRN is making waves globally. I see these values moving north and onnthe right news it could be quick.

Time will tell.
 
  • Like
  • Fire
  • Love
Reactions: 20 users

Guzzi62

Regular
Good work Dugnal 👍

I was wondering about the ADRs yesterday..

BrainChip, is also actually listed on many exchanges around the World, under various codes (Germany being the most well known and on several there).

Around 4 million shares a day, were trading on Germany's largest exchange, during the height of the Mercedes inspired spike.

Tracking the volume on the bigger exchanges, will be a good gauge of International interest, in BRN stock.

And it may be worthwhile, to start doing this.
Sadly BRCHF (BrainChip US OTC) in the US is listed on the OTC market and as such don't gather interest from large institutional investors.

They are not allowed to hold OTC over longer periods of time.

It will be mostly retail investors buying.

In order to uplift to Nasdaq they have to be minimum 4 US$ per share as one of the several requirements.

Maybe in a year or two, we will get there, no need to go there before you are on firm ground (solid earnings+high end customers).

https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/08/otc-nyse-nasdaq.asp

 
  • Like
Reactions: 14 users
I have a question.

I know the ARDs had 40 millio shares dedicated to them also these shares from the past announcement said were not available for loan to short.

Ad the liquidity picks up globally would this draw out liquidity from Australia forcing international house that sold shares to buyers in US and Europe to buy up on the Australian market?

I remember it was like clock work the price traded higher and higher where ever the share started trading.

So does increase price creat a chain reaction to forces house that sold to buyer on another excbange to buy up here hence creating the huge spike?

Be interesting to know the mechanics. I know eventually Australia will not dictate the price of BRN the 25 million population will be dwarfed buy the investment populations in other regions. BRN is making waves globally. I see these values moving north and onnthe right news it could be quick.

Time will tell.
Exactly Kachoo 👍

Basic Supply and Demand dynamics.

There are currently 1.727 billion BRN shares in the float.

This is the only float and International demand, if it can't be met locally, must come from the ASX.

This is the same as what will happen, when we are largely profitable and list on the NASDAQ (hopefully within the next few short years).

The Company knows a dual listing, is preferred by shareholders, which means the same 1.727 billion shares, listed on both the ASX and the NASDAQ.

People, have often criticised the large quantity of BRN shares on issue, but on an International basis, it's miniscule and there will likely be a share split, within 3 years of being listed on the NASDAQ (my opinion only).
 
  • Like
  • Fire
  • Thinking
Reactions: 16 users

Kachoo

Regular
Exactly Kachoo 👍

Basic Supply and Demand dynamics.

There are currently 1.727 billion BRN shares in the float.

This is the only float and International demand, if it can't be met locally, must come from the ASX.

This is the same as what will happen, when we are largely profitable and list on the NASDAQ (hopefully within the next few short years).

The Company knows a dual listing, is preferred by shareholders, which means the same 1.727 billion shares, listed on both the ASX and the NASDAQ.

People, have often criticised the large quantity of BRN shares on issue, but on an International basis, it's miniscule and there will likely be a share split, within 3 years of being listed on the NASDAQ (my opinion only).
There are many ways to be listed on the Nasdaq We don't need huge revenue just a valuation.

Trust me when the institution want BRN on the Nasdaq it will be listed pretty quick. Re valued with likely a partner and Bob's your uncle.

When BRN come out of the curtain and those with money see the Technology it will be fast tracked.

To this point I think they have just been trying to sell the story to customers not instos.

The ASX caution well its all about the Nasdaq. That's where the money an liquidity will be. Instos just collecting tickets where the can.

The recent pick up in pace could be that something is brewing
 
  • Like
  • Fire
  • Love
Reactions: 16 users
There are many ways to be listed on the Nasdaq We don't need huge revenue just a valuation.

Trust me when the institution want BRN on the Nasdaq it will be listed pretty quick. Re valued with likely a partner and Bob's your uncle.

When BRN come out of the curtain and those with money see the Technology it will be fast tracked.

To this point I think they have just been trying to sell the story to customers not instos.

The ASX caution well its all about the Nasdaq. That's where the money an liquidity will be. Instos just collecting tickets where the can.

The recent pick up in pace could be that something is brewing
We don't want a NASDAQ listing, before strong, firm revenue, Kachoo.

The Company needs to naturally progress and it will.

The share price will keep everyone happy, well before a NASDAQ listing, all going to plan.

A NASDAQ listing, will be gaga land, when it eventually comes.
 
  • Like
  • Love
  • Fire
Reactions: 24 users

Wags

Regular
Will delete if already posted



Following the recent NVISO Neuro SDKmilestone release, including two new high performance AI Apps from its Human Behavior AI App catalogue, Gaze and Action Unit Detection, NVISO is pleased to announce that the SDK can be seen running on the BrainChip Akida platform by visitors to the Socionext CES 2023 stand located at the Vehicle Tech and Advanced Mobility Zone in the Las Vegas Convention Center, North Hall, Booth 10654.​

hey Pom, this is from Jan 2023
 
  • Like
  • Haha
Reactions: 4 users
  • Like
Reactions: 2 users

TheDrooben

Pretty Pretty Pretty Pretty Good
Shorters must be crapping themselves........TA traders will be getting strong buy signals on their platforms........

Screenshot_20240210_173946_Chrome.jpg



Happy as Larry
 
  • Like
  • Fire
  • Love
Reactions: 40 users

Learning

Learning to the Top 🕵‍♂️
Not sure if this has been shared.
Screenshot_20240210_175658_LinkedIn.jpg
Screenshot_20240210_175706_LinkedIn.jpg



Learning 🪴
 
  • Like
  • Fire
  • Love
Reactions: 42 users
Last edited:
  • Fire
  • Like
  • Wow
Reactions: 29 users

HopalongPetrovski

I'm Spartacus!
BrainChip Investors when we get a little taste of the green. 🤣🤣🤣......

 
  • Love
  • Haha
  • Like
Reactions: 13 users

Damo4

Regular

Attachments

  • 1000005690.gif
    1000005690.gif
    578.1 KB · Views: 80
  • 1000005689.gif
    1000005689.gif
    79.1 KB · Views: 1,624
  • Haha
  • Fire
Reactions: 10 users

Diogenese

Top 20
Wow Dio. Do you think Weebit Nano ReRam memory fits into this somewhere. This question is not to imply that I could understand all of your post.
Hi wasMADX,

I haven't studied Weebit's tech

This is what they say about Edge AI:

Edge Artificial Intelligence​

Regardless of the specific application, storing weights for artificial Neural Networks (NNs) requires significant on-chip memory.​

Depending on the network size, requirements typically range between 10Mb – 100Mb. For AI edge products where low power consumption is so important, what’s needed is small, fast, on-chip (embedded) NVM.
Although it is common and simple for near-memory computation, SRAM won’t work for these applications because it is extremely large and volatile. This volatility means it must stay connected to power, consuming a great deal of power and also risking data loss in the event that power is unexpectedly cut off. Given its size, it would also require additional off-chip NVM, leading to memory bottlenecks and power waste. On-chip flash memory is also far from ideal. As NVM, it can persistently hold weights even during power-off, but it can’t scale below 28nm as embedded on-chip memory. This means a separate chip is needed – leading to memory bottlenecks.
ReRAM (RRAM) is 4x smaller than SRAM so more data can reside locally. It scales well below 28nm, it is non-volatile, and it enables quick memory access. Weebit ReRAM is ideal for advanced edge AI chips.


https://www.weebit-nano.com/market/applications/#edge

They talk about storing weights for ANNs.

They do not propose their ReRAM for in-memory compute, which would be analog.

I would guess that there is the pervasive analog problem of manufacturing variations which would result in unreliable calculations.

One of the advantages of their ReRAM is its robustness in hostile environments:

https://www.weebit-nano.com/market/applications/#aerospace

Aerospace and Defense​

ICs for aerospace and defense have unique requirements for robustness, reliability at high temperatures, and tolerance to radiation (rad-hard) and electromagnetic fields. As these products are often required to last for years – mostly without maintenance – longevity is another key trait. Memory must be reliable for the lifetime of the product.

Weebit ReRAM has significantly better endurance than flash, ensuring it can support products with long lifetimes. It is also able to maintain its reliability at a broad range of temperatures, from (-55)0 Celsius up to 1750 Celsius. ReRAM (RRAM) cells are inherently immune to various types of radiation and electromagnetic fields. In fact, Weebit ReRAM can withstand 350x more radiation than flash. These features make Weebit ReRAM ideal for aerospace and defense applications.


It could be used as a backup memory for Akida's configuration data (weights, connexions ...) in remote/inaccessible applications.
Hi Romper

Interesting read particularly the reviewer comments and corrections. They are quite long but the third reviewer actually points out the lack of clarity where the work of Mass and Simon Thorpe are concerned. In answering this comment the authors add to the Mass references but completely ignore Thorpe and in so doing ignore integrate and fire SNN.

Not that I can say with absolute certainty that AKIDA type integrate and fire SNN is not covered by any of the references cited but running off memory none jump out to me as having looked at same.

It is almost as if this paper was trying desperately not to in anyway even hint at the existence of integrate and fire SNN or Brainchips AKIDA solution.

My opinion only DYOR
Fact Finder
Hi FF,

This sounds like the pre-Thorpe rate coding.

"An enhanced version of the integrate and fire model is the leaky integrate and fire (LIF) model which also takes the membrane voltage leak into account. SFA, i.e. increase in the inter-spike interval (ISI) over time for a regular spike train, is an intrinsic feature of biological neurons. In this paper, we will focus on SFA as an important feature to explore in SNNs."

Thorpe deduced from Adrian's research from 70 years before, that the information in the spike train repetition rate was largely redundant, the relevant information being conveyed by the amplitude of the initial spike, and that the larger spikes (those conveying the most significant information, arrived before weaker spikes (possibly because they reached the firing threshold earlier?).

This then led to N-of-M coding in which only the first N incoming spikes were passed on for processing. This is quite similar to DVS cameras where pixels whose output does not exceed a threshold are ignored.


1707543918388.png




1707543946967.png




The paper postulates a number of reasons for SFA.

The biological phenomenon of spike frequency adaptation​

In biology, if a neuron is stimulated in a repeated and prolonged fashion, for example by constant sensory stimulation or artificially by applying an electric current, it first shows a strong onset response, followed by an increase in the time between spikes.

Hence the spike rate attenuates and the so-called spike frequency adaptation takes place.

Experimental data from the Allen Institute show that17 a substantial fraction of excitatory neurons of the neocortex, ranging from 20% in the mouse visual cortex to 40% in the human frontal lobe, exhibit SFA as shown in Fig. 2a, b.

There can be different causes for SFA:

First, short-term depression of the synapse through depletion of the synaptic vesicle pool. This means that at the connection site between neurons, the signal from the pre-synaptic neuron cannot be transmitted to the next neuron.

Second, by an increase in the spiking threshold of the post-synaptic neuron due to the activation of potassium channels by calcium, which has a subtractive effect on the input current. Hence, the same input current that previously caused a spike does not lead to a spike anymore.

Third, lateral and feedback inhibition in the local network reduces the effect of excitatory inputs in a delayed fashion20. Therefore, like in the second case, spike generation is hampered
.

Advantages of spike frequency adaptation​

From a biological standpoint, multiple advantages of the SFA mechanism have been observed. First, it lowers the metabolic costs, by facilitating sparse coding21: When there is no significant information in the presented inputs, as the input is either being repeated or there is a high-intensity constant stimulant, the firing rate is decreased leading to a reduction in metabolic cost and hence power consumption. Moreover, the separation of high-frequency signals from noisy environments is facilitated by SFA22. In addition, SFA can be seen as a simple form of short-term memory on the single-cell level23.

In other words, SFA improves the efficiency24 and accuracy of the neural code and hence optimizes information transmission25. SFA can be seen as an adaptation of the spike output range to the statistical range of the environment, meaning that it contrasts fluctuations of the input rather than its absolute intensity26. Thereby noise is reduced and, as mentioned above, repetitive information is suppressed which leads to an increase in entropy. Consequently, the detection of a salient stimulus can be enhanced27. These biological advantages of SFA can also be exploited for low-power and high-entropy computations in artificial neural networks.

To introduce SFA in spiking neural networks, a neuron model can be used which includes an adaptive threshold property28. SSNs with these kinds of neurons learn quickly, even without synaptic plasticity29. Moreover, SFA helps in attaining higher computational efficiency in SNNs17. For example, to achieve a store-and-recall cycle (working memory) of duration 1200 ms, a single exponential adaptive model requires a decay constant, τa = 1200 ms in ref. 17, while a double exponential adaptive threshold model requires decay constants of τa1 = 30 ms and τa2 = 300 ms19—the latter being more efficient and sophisticated with four adaptation parameters compared to two parameters in ref
. 17.


However, it is not clear that attempting to mimic biological neurons too closely is beneficial in an electronic context. This is where Rain came unstuck.

Does it make the process faster/more power efficient/more accurate/improve ML?

Does the claim that using the rate change is more efficient needs to take into account the cost of monitoring the rate.

N-of-M coding is highly efficient in weeding out the also-rans. On that front, it is notable that a couple of Steve Furber's papers are cited, but Steve independently of Thorpe came up with N-of-M coding, yet there is no mention of this.
 
  • Like
  • Fire
  • Love
Reactions: 30 users
  • Haha
Reactions: 7 users
  • Haha
  • Like
  • Fire
Reactions: 6 users
Hi wasMADX,

I haven't studied Weebit's tech

This is what they say about Edge AI:

Edge Artificial Intelligence​

Regardless of the specific application, storing weights for artificial Neural Networks (NNs) requires significant on-chip memory.​

Depending on the network size, requirements typically range between 10Mb – 100Mb. For AI edge products where low power consumption is so important, what’s needed is small, fast, on-chip (embedded) NVM.
Although it is common and simple for near-memory computation, SRAM won’t work for these applications because it is extremely large and volatile. This volatility means it must stay connected to power, consuming a great deal of power and also risking data loss in the event that power is unexpectedly cut off. Given its size, it would also require additional off-chip NVM, leading to memory bottlenecks and power waste. On-chip flash memory is also far from ideal. As NVM, it can persistently hold weights even during power-off, but it can’t scale below 28nm as embedded on-chip memory. This means a separate chip is needed – leading to memory bottlenecks.
ReRAM (RRAM) is 4x smaller than SRAM so more data can reside locally. It scales well below 28nm, it is non-volatile, and it enables quick memory access. Weebit ReRAM is ideal for advanced edge AI chips.


https://www.weebit-nano.com/market/applications/#edge

They talk about storing weights for ANNs.

They do not propose their ReRAM for in-memory compute, which would be analog.

I would guess that there is the pervasive analog problem of manufacturing variations which would result in unreliable calculations.

One of the advantages of their ReRAM is its robustness in hostile environments:

https://www.weebit-nano.com/market/applications/#aerospace

Aerospace and Defense​

ICs for aerospace and defense have unique requirements for robustness, reliability at high temperatures, and tolerance to radiation (rad-hard) and electromagnetic fields. As these products are often required to last for years – mostly without maintenance – longevity is another key trait. Memory must be reliable for the lifetime of the product.

Weebit ReRAM has significantly better endurance than flash, ensuring it can support products with long lifetimes. It is also able to maintain its reliability at a broad range of temperatures, from (-55)0 Celsius up to 1750 Celsius. ReRAM (RRAM) cells are inherently immune to various types of radiation and electromagnetic fields. In fact, Weebit ReRAM can withstand 350x more radiation than flash. These features make Weebit ReRAM ideal for aerospace and defense applications.


It could be used as a backup memory for Akida's configuration data (weights, connexions ...) in remote/inaccessible applications.

Hi FF,

This sounds like the pre-Thorpe rate coding.

"An enhanced version of the integrate and fire model is the leaky integrate and fire (LIF) model which also takes the membrane voltage leak into account. SFA, i.e. increase in the inter-spike interval (ISI) over time for a regular spike train, is an intrinsic feature of biological neurons. In this paper, we will focus on SFA as an important feature to explore in SNNs."

Thorpe deduced from Adrian's research from 70 years before, that the information in the spike train repetition rate was largely redundant, the relevant information being conveyed by the amplitude of the initial spike, and that the larger spikes (those conveying the most significant information, arrived before weaker spikes (possibly because they reached the firing threshold earlier?).

This then led to N-of-M coding in which only the first N incoming spikes were passed on for processing. This is quite similar to DVS cameras where pixels whose output does not exceed a threshold are ignored.


View attachment 56450



View attachment 56451



The paper postulates a number of reasons for SFA.

The biological phenomenon of spike frequency adaptation​

In biology, if a neuron is stimulated in a repeated and prolonged fashion, for example by constant sensory stimulation or artificially by applying an electric current, it first shows a strong onset response, followed by an increase in the time between spikes.

Hence the spike rate attenuates and the so-called spike frequency adaptation takes place.

Experimental data from the Allen Institute show that17 a substantial fraction of excitatory neurons of the neocortex, ranging from 20% in the mouse visual cortex to 40% in the human frontal lobe, exhibit SFA as shown in Fig. 2a, b.

There can be different causes for SFA:

First, short-term depression of the synapse through depletion of the synaptic vesicle pool. This means that at the connection site between neurons, the signal from the pre-synaptic neuron cannot be transmitted to the next neuron.

Second, by an increase in the spiking threshold of the post-synaptic neuron due to the activation of potassium channels by calcium, which has a subtractive effect on the input current. Hence, the same input current that previously caused a spike does not lead to a spike anymore.

Third, lateral and feedback inhibition in the local network reduces the effect of excitatory inputs in a delayed fashion20. Therefore, like in the second case, spike generation is hampered
.

Advantages of spike frequency adaptation​

From a biological standpoint, multiple advantages of the SFA mechanism have been observed. First, it lowers the metabolic costs, by facilitating sparse coding21: When there is no significant information in the presented inputs, as the input is either being repeated or there is a high-intensity constant stimulant, the firing rate is decreased leading to a reduction in metabolic cost and hence power consumption. Moreover, the separation of high-frequency signals from noisy environments is facilitated by SFA22. In addition, SFA can be seen as a simple form of short-term memory on the single-cell level23.

In other words, SFA improves the efficiency24 and accuracy of the neural code and hence optimizes information transmission25. SFA can be seen as an adaptation of the spike output range to the statistical range of the environment, meaning that it contrasts fluctuations of the input rather than its absolute intensity26. Thereby noise is reduced and, as mentioned above, repetitive information is suppressed which leads to an increase in entropy. Consequently, the detection of a salient stimulus can be enhanced27. These biological advantages of SFA can also be exploited for low-power and high-entropy computations in artificial neural networks.

To introduce SFA in spiking neural networks, a neuron model can be used which includes an adaptive threshold property28. SSNs with these kinds of neurons learn quickly, even without synaptic plasticity29. Moreover, SFA helps in attaining higher computational efficiency in SNNs17. For example, to achieve a store-and-recall cycle (working memory) of duration 1200 ms, a single exponential adaptive model requires a decay constant, τa = 1200 ms in ref. 17, while a double exponential adaptive threshold model requires decay constants of τa1 = 30 ms and τa2 = 300 ms19—the latter being more efficient and sophisticated with four adaptation parameters compared to two parameters in ref
. 17.


However, it is not clear that attempting to mimic biological neurons too closely is beneficial in an electronic context. This is where Rain came unstuck.

Does it make the process faster/more power efficient/more accurate/improve ML?

Does the claim that using the rate change is more efficient needs to take into account the cost of monitoring the rate.

N-of-M coding is highly efficient in weeding out the also-rans. On that front, it is notable that a couple of Steve Furber's papers are cited, but Steve independently of Thorpe came up with N-of-M coding, yet there is no mention of this.
Thanks Diogenese but I just cannot help thinking that RainAi is based on Sweet F… All.🤡🤣😂🤣🤡

My opinion only DYOR
Fact Finder
 
  • Haha
  • Wow
  • Like
Reactions: 14 users
  • Like
  • Fire
  • Love
Reactions: 3 users
Hi All

This link takes you to a new website run by three known neuromorphic researchers and does cover Brainchip.

Interestingly they have a section devoted to failed or now unsupported neuromorphic technology attempts and prominent amongst them is Loihi 1:


Quite a lot of interesting information and links.

My opinion only DYOR
Fact Finder
 
  • Like
  • Fire
  • Love
Reactions: 36 users
Top Bottom