AVZ Discussion 2022

We dont have a good track record with suspending things for a "minimum timeframe", but yeah think we all just want out of here with a fair price (including the said partial compensation), to me there's no way that partial compensation is referring to the $39m euro we are owed, that makes zero sense to me considering they already owe more than that with interest and the ongoing fines, even disregarding that it would still make no sense to me in the grand scope of things, Kobold cant possibly be talking about compensating an extra measley few mill, when we want billions, even Nige would laugh at that shit
Hi @Yaseen, what price does you think AVZ will be offered if the Kobold buyout actually happens. Do you think its passable that the whole deal is likly to fall though & AVZ will haff to restart the ICSID case? Intrested in your thoughts. SS
 
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Remark

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I just had a look at the Cami website. AVZ's 4029 exploration licence (the one that surrounds Manano Lithium) is showing as "to be revoked for non payment". 4030 is still an active exploration license.

Obviously the Cami site is a joke.
 
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Frank

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The desperation of Tshedeski to get the minerals for security signed off to save his personal wealth and political position will enable the deal to go through.
Rwanda would have analysed the consequences of going against the military strength of US.
Would be absolutely foolish IMO.
Best to get some processing benefits from trade in critical minerals than be militarily overcome in short time.
Hence minerals for security will be signed off.
Felix has re arranged his puppets
/ close at hand for Kobold to benefit with Manono.
Just need to wait what the final " fair compensation " is made known to shareholders.
The Chief's Lieutenants Appointed to Make Final Adjustments with the Trump Team

Whoever wants to achieve success combines expertise and efficiency. Tshisekedi is working hard to achieve this.


The hard-working Thérèse Kayikwamba Wagner, former Minister of State for Foreign Affairs, and her colleague for Mines, Kizito Pakabomba Kapinga Mulume, along with the Chairman of Gécamines SA, Guy-Robert Lukama Nkunzi, are the three musketeers appointed by President Tshisekedi to negotiate the final adjustments to the barter deal, critical minerals for security, between the DRC and the United States.

Before the end of the summer, the sky of strategic relations amidst the mining transactions between the US and the DRC is unlikely to be clouded by a single cloud.

The three-headed special coordination body established by Fatshi's primary mission is to discuss each clause of the "minerals for military support" deal with the US administration.

To ensure its success, Félix Tshisekedi has strengthened the Kayikwamba-Kizito-Lukama coordination body with high-level legal experts, including Pascal Agboyibor, a partner at ASAFO & CO, internationally renowned for his expertise in the energy, mining, infrastructure, and project development sectors in Africa.

The coordination body will also be supported by a technical secretariat composed of 22 experts whose essential role will be to produce regular reports on the progress of the negotiations, as well as the results of the implementation of the agreement in preparation.

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The state-owned mining company, Cominière SA, and the Mining Registry (Cami) are also among these technical experts. Within the civil society movement, fingers are crossed in the hope that "American contracts would not contain leonine and obscure clauses like Chinese contracts."

In the initial draft of Chinese contracts presented to the National Assembly by the then Minister of ITPR, the late Pierre Lumbi O'kongo, a certain Kabale, not otherwise identified, appeared in the notes like a hair in the soup.

Speaker Vital Kamerhe L.K. Kingi was unable to prevent elected officials from the opposition, then led by the MLC, from heaping more harsh criticism on Chinese contracts.

It took more than 15 years for the incorruptible Jules Alingete Key, then head of the IGF department, to return to the infamous contracts and force the consortium of Chinese companies (Sinohydro, Crec, and Afrexim Bank) to rebalance the financial package in favor of the DRC, with an additional US$7 billion allocated to road infrastructure construction.

As with the revisiting of the Chinese contract under the leadership of the IGF, Félix Tshisekedi insisted on transparency in the negotiations and compliance with the Congolese legal framework (particularly the mining code and regulations), as well as the certainty that the deal with the US, in addition to security guarantees, would also offer definite economic benefits for the DRC.

So, a win-win situation!

Kobold CEO: "DRC, the best place in the world!"

And according to analysts who spoke to Ouragan.cd, the presence of delegates from Cominière SA is justified by Mr. Tshisekedi's desire to offer the lithium mining operation in Manono, a 19-hour drive from Bukavu, to the American group KoBold Metals, co-owned by billionaires Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos.

KoBold has apparently convinced the Australian company AVZ to drop legal proceedings against Cominière and join the new pact.

KoBold is a young mining company that gained notoriety in 2022 by investing in the development of a copper deposit in Zambia.

"The company aims to harness new technologies, particularly artificial intelligence, to explore strategic minerals needed for the energy transition."

In 2023, its CEO, Kurt House, stated that the DRC is probably "the best place in the world" for the materials his company is looking for.

Never one without two.

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It's highly likely that the American firm KoBold would find imitators on Wall Street.


However, for many civil society organizations specializing in the extractive sector, Guy-Robert Lukama is considered the Albert Yuma of the regime, as he holds multiple positions and negotiates contracts considered as murky as those of Joseph Kabila.

And his presence among Congolese negotiators arouses suspicion.

The United States has targeted a wide range of minerals, which are, in fact, being swallowed up in other, better-known places, such as copper, cobalt, or lithium.

Since April 15, 2024, Uncle Sam has increased to fifty (50) the list of minerals it considers critical or strategic.

These are: aluminum, antimony, arsenic, barite, beryllium, bismuth, cerium, cesium, chromium, cobalt, dysprosium, erbium, europium, fluorspar, gadolinium, gallium, germanium, graphite, hafnium, holmium, indium, iridium, lanthanum, lithium, lutetium, magnesium, manganese, neodymium, nickel, niobium, palladium, platinum, praseodymium, rhodium, rubidium, ruthenium, samarium, scandium, tantalum, tellurium, terbium, thulium, tin, titanium, tungsten, vanadium, ytterbium, yttrium, zinc and zirconium.

All these minerals, if not their indices, are found in the Gecamines concessions.

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No. Nigel would not say that. Nigel would say that what YOU are saying is absolute rubbish.

Do you not understand that the proposal is for AVZ to sell its commercial interest in the project to Kobold? If this occurs, the ICSID arbitration will be ended completely. There will be no partial award. The funds to purchase AVZ's interests will come from Kobold. The DRC Government and Cominiere will pay nothing.


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Hi Leah there has already been a partial award to AVZ . The amount of 39 plus million euro award was on 10th March. This is a part liquidation and the 50,000 euro per day penalty is ongoing. This was awarded by the ICC not the ICSID. At the moment ICSID is temporarily suspended but ICC cases are ongoing
 
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Xerof

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It might be covered by the settlement from Kobold, but Nigel will have it as part of his demand for compensation is my point

And yes ICC is NOT ISCID

Nigel would say absolute fucking rubbish talk, that is

You seem a bit tense. Is everything alright?
 
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So many blow-ins again. Gives me great confidence for a positive outcome
 
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No. Nigel would not say that. Nigel would say that what YOU are saying is absolute rubbish.

Do you not understand that the proposal is for AVZ to sell its commercial interest in the project to Kobold? If this occurs, the ICSID arbitration will be ended completely. There will be no partial award. The funds to purchase AVZ's interests will come from Kobold. The DRC Government and Cominiere will pay nothing.


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What's the origin of this doc please LeahB?

I can't find it on company announcements.
 

Strongman

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I don't think ICC will be ongoing. Once a negotiated settlement is reached I would say ALL arbitration is dropped. No ICSID, no ICC, no partial awards.

The arbitration was just a tool to get the DRC Government to the negotiation table.

and to be clear, it was Xerof who suggested the 39 plus million euro partial award related to ICSID, NOT me.

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Yes i do agree the ICC cases will definately have to be dropped otherwise Kobold will be unable to proceed. My comment re the 39 million euro was based purely on your post i read and not within the context of your exchange with @Xerof.
I think we all talking about the same thing and the awarded amount plus sunk costs plus project value based on the DFS etc would all be part of Nigels negotiating platform in trying to come to a number perceived as fair value to both sides. As far as DRC and Cominiere not coming up with any cash yes i also agree but they sure as shit have to wind back a lot of the crap they have put in place to make the deal work. I reckon it is also quite likely that Zijin will be involved in the fair compensation to AVZ.
Everyone knows the actual real legal position here ie AVZ owns 75% of PR13359 and Cominiere owns 25% of which AVZ has FROR of 15 % of Cominieres holding. Kobold knows this, Massad Boulos and his team know this, ICSID knows this ICC knows this Zijin knows this , Cominiere knows this and Felix knows this.
This is definately a complex mess but fingers crossed the security for minerals deal gets signed of next weekend followed closely by the AVZ Kobold deal
 
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What's the origin of this doc please LeahB?

I can't find it on company announcements.
That doc is the press release from Kobold...i think from Linkedin
 
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With ICSID only suspended until 23-Jun, I suspect the AVZ-KoBold deal could follow swiftly after the peace agreement expected in the week of 15-21 June. Given this timeline, I’m not taking any chances—a few weeks ago, I resigned from work, with my last day set for 11-Jun. On the same day, I will transition my SMSF from accumulation mode to pension mode.

I had been planning to retire soon anyway, but kept delaying to wrap up everything at work. Now, with the imminent KoBold-AVZ deal, I finally have the motivation to stop postponing—especially since I’ve already delayed for too long.
 
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That doc is the press release from Kobold...i think from Linkedin
Thank you
 

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Do Nigel and the board give you confidence too or is your confidence in the whole deal/outcome solely based on myself and others signing up to a discussion forum?

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To be extremely honest, I couldn't give a rat's arse where you sign up.
How about you sign up on HC and give that a fair shake, shane would love it to have a full on and up to date, smart arse poster.
Go and keep his mind occupied, he loves and needs attention.
If you find him to hard to understand, don't worry there are heaps of fly-ins on HC in need of educating.
You will not be bored. ;);););)
 
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To be extremely honest, I couldn't give a rat's arse where you sign up.
How about you sign up on HC and give that a fair shake, shane would love it to have a full on and up to date, smart arse poster.
Go and keep his mind occupied, he loves and needs attention.
If you find him to hard to understand, don't worry there are heaps of fly-ins on HC in need of educating.
You will not be bored. ;);););)
Don’t you think he speaks to himself enough?
 
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So many new posters.
Where have you been there last 3 years.
Never mind, you're here now.

 
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To be extremely honest, I couldn't give a rat's arse where you sign up.
How about you sign up on HC and give that a fair shake, shane would love it to have a full on and up to date, smart arse poster.
Go and keep his mind occupied, he loves and needs attention.
If you find him to hard to understand, don't worry there are heaps of fly-ins on HC in need of educating.
You will not be bored. ;);););)
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