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Skar

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As for the saudi deal , a good buddy of mine on this forum sent me this classic, hope he doesnt mind me sharing....

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I am ashamed to think how much of a bitch I would be for one trillion dollars.

corruption at its finest....;)
I initially thought that too... but then I thought oh wait a second he is entitled to it... essentially he just got the American TaxPayer out of paying for a new AirForce One. Aussie politicians bleed us dry, I could get behind some grey area deals if it saves us some tax and increases QOL.

Anyhoo, political persuasions put aside, if AVZ captures a good deal , who really gives a fuck ?
Bingo see my above post.
 
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Xerof

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why oh why are some shareholders so keen to torpedo any deals that we don't know the details of,
Probably because they are fucking sleeper trolls, now emerging to, as you say, fire torpedos. Some of these pricks were suspected early on, but have posted benignly until now......they know who they are, so do most of us

Be alert, the world needs more lerts
 
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As for the saudi deal , a good buddy of mine on this forum sent me this classic, hope he doesnt mind me sharing....

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I am ashamed to think how much of a bitch I would be for one trillion dollars.


I initially thought that too... but then I thought oh wait a second he is entitled to it... essentially he just got the American TaxPayer out of paying for a new AirForce One. Aussie politicians bleed us dry, I could get behind some grey area deals if it saves us some tax and increases QOL.


Bingo see my above post.
Hey Skar

Not having a dig mate, just so you know, just providing a slant from my side of the coin, i learnt early on that political debate is a thorny issue on this forum, which is why i opened up a political thread for those that wish to chew the fat in more detail.

Happy to oblige you there, but will not dicuss further here.

Its all about AVZ and the never ending story which we all hope, reaches its conclusion some time this year.

Bring on the ISCID arbitration.........or

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Which will it be ?
 
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Skar

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Hey Skar

Not having a dig mate, just so you know, just providing a slant from my side of the coin, i learnt early on that political debate is a thorny issue on this forum, which is why i opened up a political thread for those that wish to chew the fat in more detail.

Happy to oblige you there, but will not dicuss further here.

Its all about AVZ and the never ending story which we all hope, reaches its conclusion some time this year.

Bring on the ISCID arbitration.........or

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Which will it be ?

For sure, funny how the two intersect... getting back on point my connection was more along the lines of DRC wanting strategic partnership minerals for security, Suadis wanting to diversify out of oil a bit and US now having a trillion dollar investment deal with them, of which mining seems to be scoped in. I was mentally checked out of this investment... the Kobold saga has drawn me back in, need to go back to sleep.
 
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Just to add to what @Carlos Danger said, I believe the US previously said they were putting sanctions on CATL for supplying critical minerals to China’s military

The other comments I’ve been holding onto and struggling not to put out there are that from all the information put out by KoBold, Bloomberg, Reuters, The Australian and nearly every other media source and announcement I’ve read, I wouldn’t be surprised if

1) AVZ has already stuck the deal with KoBold

2) They’re waiting for the fat fuckwit to say he will grant the ML to KoBold (and he’s waiting for AVZ to drop arbitration)

3) As posted (then deleted) in The Australian newspaper…. KoBold offering US$1.5b plus royalties plus compensation for the north. I believe The Australian was the first media source to mention that Zijin keep the north

4) US$1.5b = AU$2.3b which I believe was roughly what was thrown around at the last AGM. That equates to around AU$0.66c a share. Perhaps this is why Jens is throwing low-ball posts out on X.

I’d be filthy if this was the case. Royalties from KoBold would have to more than match fair value given its future earnings, and compensation for the north would have to be at least US$1.5b on top of the other offers.

We know when AVZ challenged Jin Cheng’s purchase of 15% of Dathcom in the ICC, Zijin themselves put a value on our project of US$5.6b. That’s AU$2.45 per share and that’s before the resource increased by 47% to 842Mt.

And any compensation for the north would have to come originally from Zijin and would have to be guaranteed because we know they are corrupt liars.

As far as KoBold goes, we know they’re not miners so I’m expecting they will form a joint venture with Rio Tinto.

Thats why I believe shareholders shouldn’t accept any low-ball offers. The DRC are desperate for security against Rwanda backed M23 rebels, KoBold is desperate for Manono and the US is desperate for DRC critical minerals. The only ones who shouldn’t be desperate now are us, we’ve waited three years for this ICSID case to start and now we’re only 18 days away

I know others might disagree, the above may just be a starting point and are just my opinions based on what I’ve read, the fact I don’t have 53million shares and wouldn’t accept any low-ball takeover offers

After reading a lot of comments here today I thought I’d add a few more to my previous post.

Firstly, all the comments about what a fair takeover offer might be, stem basically from two things.

1) KoBold have spent the last 5 months talking themselves up but to this day have never commented on the size, grade and value of what’s contained in our project.

Basically when they refer to AVZ all they say is the project is being disputed, and what you can draw from both those things is that they are in no way acknowledging the value of the project. They also like to add in the perception of risk, which I’ll address later in this post.

2) The second reason comments about offers have been made is because we all know the commercial value of the project and yet it appears to be getting undervalued by shareholders who have been historically close to Nigel.

The only price that was publicly mentioned was the price put out in The Australian article (which disappeared as quick as the public statement by KoBold that they had taken us over).

A brief look at the Australian will show you it’s owned by Rupert Murdoch (who controls major Trump supporter Fox News and other outlets including The Wall Street Journal).

Rupert Murdoch is also linked to Michael Bloomberg (Partner and Shareholder in KoBold) through their involvement in the Partnership for a New American Economy. Bloomberg and Murdoch, along with other CEOs, formed this partnership. So something to consider when mentioning the article in The Australian.

I would also say that shareholders have played a far greater part than the BOD in keeping AVZ in the fight against our enemies, with the exception of Nigel.

It was the information provided by shareholders here and on the other social media platforms that formed the major fight against the stooges and the large Chinese shareholders that tried to roll the BOD at the 2023 AGM. For this reason alone shareholders have every right to have their say on price and other things related to their investment.

Now when it comes to KoBold talking about risk, part of any takeover by them would include a ML being signed off so take that one out. The US has also made clear that other risks around changing mining laws, transparency, corruption etc will not be tolerated by the US.

Trump is desperate for critical minerals. He knows if he doesn’t get them from Africa, China will. He threatened Ukraine with withdrawing military support if Ukraine didn’t do a critical minerals deal with the US, and that was all it took for them to comply.

He has shown he wants the DRC’s minerals too as evidenced by Erik Prince’s military involvement providing security and has an agreement to provide US$6 billion worth of infrastructure funding around the Lobito Corridor.

What hasn’t been seen is any sign of actually supporting allies including us. Remember, the US and KoBold were nowhere to be seen when we needed litigation funding, it was only after CATH gave us $20 million for litigation and offered us an option of purchasing shares in a process plant built and paid for by them on top of them paying to develop the project.

@Skar no one is torpedoing any deals. If China was able to get a deal through Tshisekedi that allowed them to take us over for a few billion more than KoBold, who would complain. Everyone talks about Trump’s art of the deal, he uses leverage and we have the ICSID and the law on our side as leverage.

It seems they’re all asking for AVZ to drop the arbitration cases we’ve been winning and sweep the last three years of corruption under the mat to get the deal done. Might even have been signed by now if a good offer was on the table.

I would like to chill too for a few weeks, and all it would take for me to do that is for KoBold to come and say “The Manono project contains the largest highest grade SC6 at surface currently discovered” That’s all mate, it’s not that hard
 
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BEISHA

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For sure, funny how the two intersect... getting back on point my connection was more along the lines of DRC wanting strategic partnership minerals for security, Suadis wanting to diversify out of oil a bit and US now having a trillion dollar investment deal with them, of which mining seems to be scoped in. I was mentally checked out of this investment... the Kobold saga has drawn me back in, need to go back to sleep.
good to have you back mate, i think alot of folk including me at stages have checked out.....now back in.

Would it surprise you that the Saudis have been sniffing at Manono for as long as Kobold,..........way before Trump enacted the recent deal with them ?

In fact, the rumour mill has been swirling in my feed that AVZ have had behind the scenes discussions with not only the Saudis but the US too regards to OT way back when biden was president.

Things that make you go........hmmmmm.
 
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Xerof

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HMMMMMM.........indeed.

But one question, where is the other 6b going to come from ?

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Rumours swirled months ago that they independently valued 13359 at US6b

Can't remember the source sorry but it wasn't SM - my memory fades when it comes to that sort of level of detail ;);)
 
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For easier reference, $12.

Buyout Offer (USD)Buyout Offer (AUD)Per Share Value (AUD)
$2 billionA$3.00 billionA$0.850
$4 billionA$6.00 billionA$1.700
$6 billionA$9.00 billionA$2.550
$8 billionA$12.00 billionA$3.400
$10 billionA$15.00 billionA$4.250
$12 billionA$18.00 billionA$5.100
$14 billionA$21.00 billionA$5.950
$16 billionA$24.00 billionA$6.800
$18 billionA$27.00 billionA$7.650
$20 billionA$30.00 billionA$8.500
$22 billionA$33.00 billionA$9.350
$24 billionA$36.00 billionA$10.200
$26 billionA$39.00 billionA$11.050
$28 billionA$42.00 billionA$11.900
$28.24 billionA$42.36 billionA$12.00 (target)
 
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Skar

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1) KoBold have spent the last 5 months talking themselves up but to this day have never commented on the size, grade and value of what’s contained in our project.
They have described it as a "large-scale, long lived lithium mine"... but there is no need to comment on its size, grade or value, that has never really been in question at all... well ever since we routinely started pulling up over 300m intercepts of contiguous lithium and tried to drill a well and hit lithium there too.
2) The second reason comments about offers have been made is because we all know the commercial value of the project and yet it appears to be getting undervalued by shareholders who have been historically close to Nigel.
I still chalk this up to personal circumstances over any back channel nods and winks (I cant understand why there would be a need to temper expectations of retail investors) but time will tell.

Now when it comes to KoBold talking about risk
I think Kobold are in an interesting spot, the US want private sector investment, so they will need to frame the DRC as a safe harbour, you cant do that if you yourself have applied a massive risk penalty on a flagship acquisition like AVZ - there is SOME risk penalty obviously but what is the perception they are trying to project... I think we are the thin edge of a very large wedge for western investment.

Remember, the US and KoBold were nowhere to be seen when we needed litigation funding, it was only after CATH gave us $20 million for litigation and offered us an option of purchasing shares in a process plant built and paid for by them on top of them paying to develop the project.
I believe the plan was to bleed us out, my timeline might be off but around Nov 24 was when CATH ponied up... and all these talks have been going on since late Dec/early Jan? I.E once they saw AVZ had the backing to see it through they began the diplomatic approach (and AVZ have continued to refer to CATH as a development partner). Once we had our first case win in march is when everything started heating up so to speak.
 
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I have nothing against Jens and Maja — I know they’re deeply invested in AVZ. But when you start getting people like Lars on Twitter giving you a thumbs up, it’s probably a sign that things have gone a bit too far.
 
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Dave Evans

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They have described it as a "large-scale, long lived lithium mine"... but there is no need to comment on its size, grade or value, that has never really been in question at all... well ever since we routinely started pulling up over 300m intercepts of contiguous lithium and tried to drill a well and hit lithium there too.

I still chalk this up to personal circumstances over any back channel nods and winks (I cant understand why there would be a need to temper expectations of retail investors) but time will tell.


I think Kobold are in an interesting spot, the US want private sector investment, so they will need to frame the DRC as a safe harbour, you cant do that if you yourself have applied a massive risk penalty on a flagship acquisition like AVZ - there is SOME risk penalty obviously but what is the perception they are trying to project... I think we are the thin edge of a very large wedge for western investment.


I believe the plan was to bleed us out, my timeline might be off but around Nov 24 was when CATH ponied up... and all these talks have been going on since late Dec/early Jan? I.E once they saw AVZ had the backing to see it through they began the diplomatic approach (and AVZ have continued to refer to CATH as a development partner). Once we had our first case win in march is when everything started heating up so to speak.

Skar, I appreciate your reply, what you’re not mentioning is the US planned to bleed us out too. Some investors know we were over there looking for litigation funding and the US investors withdrew their support. I won’t comment any more mate, I’ve made my points, no use continuing to debate them
 
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*Speaking of CATH,

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*I'm Curious to see what CATH do about Kobold / US coming to our rescue at the 11th Hr.

China / Cath want / need Lithium, LOTS and LOTS of Lithium

Not to mention what they plan to do with the $6B

The Timing is Very interesting indeed

Let the Games begin

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Why do you think Kobold is
'working with all possible speed to conclude the purchase'

Time is not on kobolds side, and they've got no incentive to risk missing out because of a lowball offer that's not overwhelmingly convincing to shareholders.

Saving a few $B is incentive? No not really when you look at the value of the project. They know that them securing it is not a given, and they need to pay appropriately to make it happen.

I for one am convinced Nigel wouldn't have taken it this far if there weren't already some ranges set that were appropriate to both parties. But I'm also sure Nige will be holding the door ajar for CATH until everything is signed and done.
 
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Skar

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Skar, I appreciate your reply, what you’re not mentioning is the US planned to bleed us out too. Some investors know we were over there looking for litigation funding and the US investors withdrew their support. I won’t comment any more mate, I’ve made my points, no use continuing to debate them
Oh god yeah, thats what I was trying to imply, I don't see the US/Kobold as our saviour, they are a potential buyer "kicking tires" and trying to get as much off the sticker price as they can.

I am not trying to debate or argue, I am just whittling away time waiting for an announcement, no offense intended.
 
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Skar, I appreciate your reply, what you’re not mentioning is the US planned to bleed us out too. Some investors know we were over there looking for litigation funding and the US investors withdrew their support. I won’t comment any more mate, I’ve made my points, no use continuing to debate them
I’ve put 2+2 together with some gossip I may have heard from the grapevine that this is exactly the plan. I’ve commented on it earlier. These companies would have swooped in after we failed (and we would have:..) to meet repayment obligations from the Locke deal. Kobold sniffing around and would have just bought the asset directly from Locke after we’ve surrender it for peanuts.

CATH funding deal is an insurance policy to ensure they remain in the race. I’d be absolutely gobsmacked if they have not or will not intend to submit a bid given the investment they have lined up for Manono. Honestly, if Kbold or others try to bend us over I’d love to have CATH deal with a free carry on both the mine and processing.

Again those who keep posturing about minerals for security the truth is Manono is one of many potential mines the DRC possesses that US interests want. The whole pact won’t fall apart due to AVZ selling out to China. It keeps China happy and the USA can look at the copper or cobalt deposits all over the eastern part of the DRC they can lowball.
 
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Oh god yeah, thats what I was trying to imply, I don't see the US/Kobold as our saviour, they are a potential buyer "kicking tires" and trying to get as much off the sticker price as they can.

I am not trying to debate or argue, I am just whittling away time waiting for an announcement, no offense intended.

No offence taken at all
 
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Just in case anyone is thinking of getting comfortable, here's one more layer of intrigue for you.

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It seems that a US-DRC security agreement may be a little more complex than reigning in M23 and a few child-soldier rebel groups operating along the DRC's eastern border. It looks like being a bilateral security arrangement benefiting both nations.

A number of Lebanese businessmen operating in the DRC have been publicly identified and sanctioned by the U.S. Treasury for their suspected roles in funneling funds to Islamist groups, particularly Hezbollah.

In particular, Nazem Said Ahmad, Saleh Assi, and Kassim Tajideen are among a number of prominent Lebanese businessmen in the DRC suspected of funneling funds to Hezbollah through complex business and money laundering schemes.

According to my AI assistant,
  • Nazem Said Ahmed's network is linked to laundering illicit profits and transferring funds to Hezbollah in Lebanon, often through bulk cash transfers or by laundering through diamond businesses.
  • Saleh Assi's companies in the DRC are involved in money laundering and tax evasion, and provide revenue to Lebanon via bulk cash transfers or through Ahmad’s diamond businesses, and
  • Kassim Tajideen's family businesses are involved in large-scale tax fraud, money laundering, and trade in diamonds of questionable origin, with millions funneled to Hezbollah.
The proposed security-for-minerals agreement just got a bit more complex.

Unfortunately, I do not have access to the full script.

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$1.50 USD is the offer currently on the table

CGT discount will be available

Announcement will be made before 30 June

Will this be the final offer. Time will tell.
What is your source for this info?
 
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$1.50 USD is the offer currently on the table

CGT discount will be available

Announcement will be made before 30 June

Will this be the final offer. Time will tell.
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