AVZ Discussion 2022

[j19]

Sounds to me like we'd be better to proceed with arbitration instead of entertaining those sort of figures.
Get awarded our 10b+ compo and when the Americans start investing the hundreds of billions they're talking about, have the world bank seize the funds on our behalf.
They'd be better to pay fairly now.

In most arbitration cases the amount awarded is lower than initial damages claim. Then DRC delay and don't pay and settle for a lower amount...then they don't pay that.

Will holding out for longer make Kobold come up further due to the opportunity they are missing whilst delaying? Possibly. I suspect that is what Nigel is trying to do right now, hence the announcement said the framework was non binding. DRC is letting the north be developed by Zijin with our case pending. Will they do the same with the south regardless of legality? Unsure.

People are wondering why Jens is saying what he's saying and I think this is why.

I'm in my 30s. $5-10m is enough for me to buy the house, cars etc that I want and to only work if I feel like it. I want the money now though, not when I'm 50. Jens has more shares and much older than me

So I see both sides of it. $1.00 to $1.30 is NOT really fair value for the project, but we are not dealing with people that are fair.

I am SICK of waiting.

 

[wombat74]

No more to pay
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I'll show this to my wife . It looks very satisfying.

 

[Yaseen]

In most arbitration cases the amount awarded is lower than initial damages claim. Then DRC delay and don't pay and settle for a lower amount...then they don't pay that.

Will holding out for longer make Kobold come up further due to the opportunity they are missing whilst delaying? Possibly. I suspect that is what Nigel is trying to do right now, hence the announcement said the framework was non binding. DRC is letting the north be developed by Zijin with our case pending. Will they do the same with the south regardless of legality? Unsure.

People are wondering why Jens is saying what he's saying and I think this is why.

I'm in my 30s. $5-10m is enough for me to buy the house, cars etc that I want and to only work if I feel like it. I want the money now though, not when I'm 50. Jens has more shares and much older than me

So I see both sides of it. $1.00 to $1.30 is NOT really fair value for the project, but we are not dealing with people that are fair.

I am SICK of waiting.

We are all sick of waiting, but that doesnt mean we allow lowballers to exploit us. We should hold the line Hodor, ATH base offer or no deal

 

[BRICK]

In most arbitration cases the amount awarded is lower than initial damages claim. Then DRC delay and don't pay and settle for a lower amount...then they don't pay that.

Will holding out for longer make Kobold come up further due to the opportunity they are missing whilst delaying? Possibly. I suspect that is what Nigel is trying to do right now, hence the announcement said the framework was non binding. DRC is letting the north be developed by Zijin with our case pending. Will they do the same with the south regardless of legality? Unsure.

People are wondering why Jens is saying what he's saying and I think this is why.

I'm in my 30s. $5-10m is enough for me to buy the house, cars etc that I want and to only work if I feel like it. I want the money now though, not when I'm 50. Jens has more shares and much older than me

So I see both sides of it. $1.00 to $1.30 is NOT really fair value for the project, but we are not dealing with people that are fair.

I am SICK of waiting.

$11.99

 

[Spikerama]

And the math! The math and it’s poster smells like a Tassal feed lot

Yes, fishier than a festering flathead fillet forgotten in a fucked-up freezer.

 

[PhatCatz]

Obviously those with more shares will receive more total $$$. With an offer of $1 plus, everyone with a few million shares will get $5-$10 mill before taxes. Nigel resisted selling out to the Chinese for cents. I think he is trying to get the absolute best deal he possibly can.

If a $2+ offer is not coming, then it doesn't really benefit anyone to keep pushing for that figure and being angry when we don't get it. Everyone is aware that the alternative is going through arbitration and trying to recover assets over the next decade. We all know the challenges faced. A $1 to $1.30 is not a fair price for the project, but it beats arbitration for the next 10 years and recovering cents on the dollar.

Take a nap Jens.

 

[Carlos Danger]

I'll show this to my wife . It looks very satisfying.

 

[PhatCatz]

Fuck that. I’d rather we just go mining with Rio and CATH. That will return fair value for shareholders.

Fuck KoBold for trying to screw us over by leveraging off the DRC/USA minerals deal. Kobold go use your fancy AI and find the trillions in other commodities throughout the DRC. The minerals deals extends beyond Manono your fucking Septic tanks.

 

[M.Bison]

Fuck that. I’d rather we just go mining with Rio and CATH. That will return fair value for shareholders.

Fuck KoBold for trying to screw us over by leveraging off the DRC/USA minerals deal. Kobold go use your fancy AI and find the trillions in other commodities throughout the DRC. The minerals deals extends beyond Manono your fucking Septic tanks.

People are just massively jumping the gun here. Why fuck kobold? We don’t know what they’ve offered and they’ve put us back on the radar.
Nigel has indicated they are working with Kobold to come to a deal. If he’s hearing them out then we need to give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

[j19]

We are all sick of waiting, but that doesnt mean we allow lowballers to exploit us. We should hold the line Hodor, ATH base offer or no deal


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Fair take. The price I am talking about is not miles off ATH though.

You can see Jens' POV too though yea? He is around 60s. Probably just wants his money and to relax. I'm getting towards that point too. I think that is a reasonable position. People on here calling him a fkwit. He's just over it. Ready for a resolution.

 

[Mute22]

Fair take. The price I am talking about is not miles off ATH though.

You can see Jens' POV too though yea? He is around 60s. Probably just wants his money and to relax. I'm getting towards that point too. I think that is a reasonable position. People on here calling him a fkwit. He's just over it. Ready for a resolution.

I'm sure, yo-'He' is over it, like us all.

 

[Goldenboy]

$11.99

$11.99

 

[Winenut]

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all of this is sooooo fucking right!

 

[TheCount]

Except that America are investing BILLIONS in Africa to get TRILLIONS out. There is no rush for a sale of AVZ... if Manono is not a part of the initial US investment, the US are still building the Lobito corridor... Kobold have many many other assets they are investing in in Africa (ours is just the best - thus it deserves a premium).

We can find another US partner down the line or we can proceed through courts with Cath. This perception of a rushed sale/last chance nonsense is pure propaganda. This is the START of a massive global shift, Africa investment from 2025+ will go parabolic, the population is growing, western ones are declining.

I don't expect our management to sell out shareholders cheaply now. Nigel has made it clear from the start he knows what he has. Dont let the tree shaking rob us all of a fortune. Transformation is happening.

@Skar the forum has become a better place with your return. You unfortunately kept away for a while but now you’re back, the conversation is measured, honest, and fair.

Thank you.

 

[Pokok]

I'll show this to my wife . It looks very satisfying.

I love a good belly rub and I have the belly to rub

 

[Samus]

In most arbitration cases the amount awarded is lower than initial damages claim. Then DRC delay and don't pay and settle for a lower amount...then they don't pay that.

Will holding out for longer make Kobold come up further due to the opportunity they are missing whilst delaying? Possibly. I suspect that is what Nigel is trying to do right now, hence the announcement said the framework was non binding. DRC is letting the north be developed by Zijin with our case pending. Will they do the same with the south regardless of legality? Unsure.

People are wondering why Jens is saying what he's saying and I think this is why.

I'm in my 30s. $5-10m is enough for me to buy the house, cars etc that I want and to only work if I feel like it. I want the money now though, not when I'm 50. Jens has more shares and much older than me

So I see both sides of it. $1.00 to $1.30 is NOT really fair value for the project, but we are not dealing with people that are fair.

I am SICK of waiting.

Well thanks for emerging to present us with this low-ball opinion.
I'd rather see where ICSID goes than accept what you're spruiking here.

Yeah I'm over it, over getting pillaged by criminals. We've endured years of this shit already so pay up or fuck off.

 

[Pokok]

wino you still on the wagon

 

[BEISHA]

Has Jens been playing golf with Nige again? attempting to soften SHs with the sale price..

Nah, Jens is playing golf with Hoots.

Who gives two hoots ?

 

[Dijon101]

Battle fatigue should not make us forget what we are sitting on, it's worth, the energy transition that is happening or how much the US want this resource.

Nigel has gotten us this far, and removing emotion I trust he will get us the best possible deal possible.

(If not you can all invest in my martini bar and we can just drink what ever is left on our return of our AVZ investment )

 

[Chase]

Hoots needs a good flogging

Battle fatigue should not make us forget what we are sitting on, it's worth, the energy transition that is happening or how much the US want this resource.

Nigel has gotten us this far, and removing emotion I trust he will get us the best possible deal possible.

(If not you can all invest in my martini bar and we can just drink what ever is left on our return of our AVZ investment )

Yeah exactly mate