AVZ Discussion 2022

[Exo]

i think mods are doing their jobs and deleting his comments

 

[Flight996]

Re: Response from senator Penny Wong, MP Minister for Foreign Affairs.

This is part of the Minister's response to my query about what, if anything the Australian Government is doing to assist AVZ Minerals, which is under siege from corrupt DRC officials and equally corrupt Chinese miners trying to steal its world-class lithium resource at Manono in the DRC:

Thank you for your email and for taking the time to write to me.

I try to respond to correspondence where I can, but I receive a large number of emails every day and depending on your enquiry it may not be possible to get back to you.

I prioritise constituents in my home state of South Australia or those who write on matters relating to my role as Minister for Foreign Affairs.

Please note that if your email is part of a campaign, it will be considered but not receive a response.

Unfortunately, the senator's response, particularly the bit that says: it may not be possible to get back to you does not fill me with confidence of getting an answer to my query. Nonetheless, by any measure, the plight of an Australian company in a foreign jurisdiction plus the fate of its 20,000 Australian investors falls within her remit as the Minister for Foreign Affairs...so I guess I'll wait.

Cheers
F

 

[Mute22]

Re: Response from senator Penny Wong, MP Minister for Foreign Affairs.

This is part of the Minister's response to my query about what, if anything the Australian Government is doing to assist AVZ Minerals, which is under siege from corrupt DRC officials and equally corrupt Chinese miners trying to steal its world-class lithium resource at Manono in the DRC:

Thank you for your email and for taking the time to write to me.

I try to respond to correspondence where I can, but I receive a large number of emails every day and depending on your enquiry it may not be possible to get back to you.

I prioritise constituents in my home state of South Australia or those who write on matters relating to my role as Minister for Foreign Affairs.

Please note that if your email is part of a campaign, it will be considered but not receive a response.

Unfortunately, the senator's response, particularly the bit that says: it may not be possible to get back to you does not fill me with confidence of getting an answer to my query. Nonetheless, by any measure, the plight of an Australian company in a foreign jurisdiction plus the fate of its 20,000 Australian investors falls within her remit as the Minister for Foreign Affairs...so I guess I'll wait.

Cheers
F

I am a resident of South Australia. DM me your message, and I will reconfigure it to look original and also send it through.

 

[Flight996]

I am a resident of South Australia. DM me your message, and I will reconfigure it to look original and also send it through.

Done

senator.wong@aph.gov.au

Cheers

 

[Jazz]

I am a resident of South Australia. DM me your message, and I will reconfigure it to look original and also send it through.

DM sent.

 

[Xerof]

Whoever’s behind Tolate is also behind Letty117.

Just saying

Letty said on HC yesterday after Tolate was suspended that he’d head over here. Sure enough he did indeed, but the silly cunt kept taking the bait, and zeebot had enough evidence to push the eject button

Letty is now the voice piece on HC and I laughed when I read his proAVZ posts just now

Don’t be fooled

 

[Remark]

Whoever’s behind Tolate is also behind Letty117.

Just saying

Letty said on HC yesterday after Tolate was suspended that he’d head over here. Sure enough he did indeed, but the silly cunt kept taking the bait, and zeebot had enough evidence to push the eject button

Letty is now the voice piece on HC and I laughed when I read his proAVZ posts just now

Don’t be fooled

 

[Xerof]

This is currently going on today. Not sure if already mentioned.
View attachment 74273

Can’t see any rescheduling for this, so perhaps it was finally thrown out. Have any of you locals phoned the Court for an update?

 

[Hodlandwin69]

Can’t see any rescheduling for this, so perhaps it was finally thrown out. Have any of you locals phoned the Court for an update?

Usually takes a few days for them to reschedule next date, revisit this in a week and we'll see

 

[Xerof]

Morning all, here’s today head shaker for consumption with your cornflakes ​

From Bloomberg

​

Congo Sues Apple Alleging ‘Pillaged’ Minerals in Products​

The Democratic Republic of Congo filed lawsuits against Apple Inc. in France and Belgium. In them, it accuses the company of using minerals “pillaged” from the central African nation in its products.

Congo’s lawyers have initiated criminal complaints against the US tech giant’s subsidiaries in the two European countries “over the contamination of Apple’s supply chain” with “blood minerals,” according to a statement on Tuesday from Amsterdam & Partners LLP, a law firm working for Congo’s government.

Eastern Congo, which is rich in tin, tungsten and tantalum, minerals widely used in electronics including the iPhone, has been wracked by conflicts involving its armed forces and dozens of militant groups for about three decades. The administration of President Felix Tshisekedi accuses neighboring Rwandaof fueling the violence and providing a conduit for traders to smuggle minerals and gold out of Congo. Rwanda has long denied the allegations.

The complaints allege that Apple uses minerals that have been “laundered through international supply chains.” They also claim that the firm has also deployed “deceptive commercial practices to assure consumers that the tech giant’s supply chains are clean.”


Apple didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment, but previously referred Bloomberg to a March filing in which it said that all of the smelters and refiners in its supply chain had participated in an audit, and suppliers who refused or failed were removed. The company said it was reasonably confident that none of its tin, tungsten or tantalum suppliers financed or otherwise benefited armed groups active in the region.

Congo’s international legal team is tasked with pursuing individuals and companies involved in the “extraction, supply and commercialization of natural resources” that have driven “a cycle of violence and conflict by financing militias and terrorist groups,” according to the statement.

Read More: Congo to Clamp Down on Companies Buying Conflict Minerals

Government spokesman Patrick Muyaya confirmed the country had filed the lawsuit, without providing more details.

This is the first case Congo has filed as part of a strategy to pressure end users who may be using products reliant on minerals that were smuggled or have contributed to conflict. According to a spokesperson for Amsterdam & Partners, ⁠the French and Belgium judicial systems are well suited for these kinds of legal actions.

Last year, Congo and Rwanda produced more than 60% of the tantalum used in the world’s portable electronics, according to the US Geological Survey.

— With assistance from Michael J Kavanagh

 

[cruiser51]

Morning all, here’s today head shaker for consumption with your cornflakes ​

From Bloomberg

​

Congo Sues Apple Alleging ‘Pillaged’ Minerals in Products​

The Democratic Republic of Congo filed lawsuits against Apple Inc. in France and Belgium. In them, it accuses the company of using minerals “pillaged” from the central African nation in its products.

Congo’s lawyers have initiated criminal complaints against the US tech giant’s subsidiaries in the two European countries “over the contamination of Apple’s supply chain” with “blood minerals,” according to a statement on Tuesday from Amsterdam & Partners LLP, a law firm working for Congo’s government.

Eastern Congo, which is rich in tin, tungsten and tantalum, minerals widely used in electronics including the iPhone, has been wracked by conflicts involving its armed forces and dozens of militant groups for about three decades. The administration of President Felix Tshisekedi accuses neighboring Rwandaof fueling the violence and providing a conduit for traders to smuggle minerals and gold out of Congo. Rwanda has long denied the allegations.

The complaints allege that Apple uses minerals that have been “laundered through international supply chains.” They also claim that the firm has also deployed “deceptive commercial practices to assure consumers that the tech giant’s supply chains are clean.”


Apple didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment, but previously referred Bloomberg to a March filing in which it said that all of the smelters and refiners in its supply chain had participated in an audit, and suppliers who refused or failed were removed. The company said it was reasonably confident that none of its tin, tungsten or tantalum suppliers financed or otherwise benefited armed groups active in the region.

Congo’s international legal team is tasked with pursuing individuals and companies involved in the “extraction, supply and commercialization of natural resources” that have driven “a cycle of violence and conflict by financing militias and terrorist groups,” according to the statement.

Read More: Congo to Clamp Down on Companies Buying Conflict Minerals

Government spokesman Patrick Muyaya confirmed the country had filed the lawsuit, without providing more details.

This is the first case Congo has filed as part of a strategy to pressure end users who may be using products reliant on minerals that were smuggled or have contributed to conflict. According to a spokesperson for Amsterdam & Partners, ⁠the French and Belgium judicial systems are well suited for these kinds of legal actions.

Last year, Congo and Rwanda produced more than 60% of the tantalum used in the world’s portable electronics, according to the US Geological Survey.

— With assistance from Michael J Kavanagh

Don't forget the DRC is highly likely up for a huge damages claim from AVZ, the money has to come from somewhere, might as well hit Apple and Tesla.
Good luck.

 

[tolate]

Don't forget the DRC is highly likely up for a huge damages claim from AVZ, the money has to come from somewhere, might as well hit Apple and Tesla.
Good luck.

Lot of court cases in progress just 2 that should have results available have had HEARING in DECEMBER 2024
I heard NIGEL didn't attend...?????

4 Dathomir Dispute – the two ICC arbitration proceedings brought by AVZI against Dathomir in relation to Dathomir’s attempts to challenge the sale to AVZI of its 15% shareholding in Dathcom;

and 5 Fat Tail Dispute – the proceedings commenced by Fat Tail Holdings Pty Ltd (Fat Tail) against the Company and two of its directors (Mr Nigel Ferguson and Mr John Clarke) in the Supreme Court of Western Australia alleging oppressive conduct and misleading and deceptive conduct.

 

[tolate]

PERSONAL if you don't care you have your own opinions..!
But there is 20000 mum and DAD S H that do care...!
Nice if AVZ NIGEL updated their S H in regards to these matters..!
FAT TAIL has taken out serious court action in the W AUST court system..!
Many would want to know the outcome of this matter..!

 

[tolate]

Don't forget the DRC is highly likely up for a huge damages claim from AVZ, the money has to come from somewhere, might as well hit Apple and Tesla.
Good luck.

 

[tonster66]

Morning all, here’s today head shaker for consumption with your cornflakes ​

From Bloomberg

​

Congo Sues Apple Alleging ‘Pillaged’ Minerals in Products​

The Democratic Republic of Congo filed lawsuits against Apple Inc. in France and Belgium. In them, it accuses the company of using minerals “pillaged” from the central African nation in its products.

Congo’s lawyers have initiated criminal complaints against the US tech giant’s subsidiaries in the two European countries “over the contamination of Apple’s supply chain” with “blood minerals,” according to a statement on Tuesday from Amsterdam & Partners LLP, a law firm working for Congo’s government.

Eastern Congo, which is rich in tin, tungsten and tantalum, minerals widely used in electronics including the iPhone, has been wracked by conflicts involving its armed forces and dozens of militant groups for about three decades. The administration of President Felix Tshisekedi accuses neighboring Rwandaof fueling the violence and providing a conduit for traders to smuggle minerals and gold out of Congo. Rwanda has long denied the allegations.

The complaints allege that Apple uses minerals that have been “laundered through international supply chains.” They also claim that the firm has also deployed “deceptive commercial practices to assure consumers that the tech giant’s supply chains are clean.”


Apple didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment, but previously referred Bloomberg to a March filing in which it said that all of the smelters and refiners in its supply chain had participated in an audit, and suppliers who refused or failed were removed. The company said it was reasonably confident that none of its tin, tungsten or tantalum suppliers financed or otherwise benefited armed groups active in the region.

Congo’s international legal team is tasked with pursuing individuals and companies involved in the “extraction, supply and commercialization of natural resources” that have driven “a cycle of violence and conflict by financing militias and terrorist groups,” according to the statement.

Read More: Congo to Clamp Down on Companies Buying Conflict Minerals

Government spokesman Patrick Muyaya confirmed the country had filed the lawsuit, without providing more details.

This is the first case Congo has filed as part of a strategy to pressure end users who may be using products reliant on minerals that were smuggled or have contributed to conflict. According to a spokesperson for Amsterdam & Partners, ⁠the French and Belgium judicial systems are well suited for these kinds of legal actions.

Last year, Congo and Rwanda produced more than 60% of the tantalum used in the world’s portable electronics, according to the US Geological Survey.

— With assistance from Michael J Kavanagh

This is great news as they will not have a leg to stand on when/if blood lithium is shipped out of the drc

 

[SilentOne]

Morning all, here’s today head shaker for consumption with your cornflakes ​

From Bloomberg

​

Congo Sues Apple Alleging ‘Pillaged’ Minerals in Products​

The Democratic Republic of Congo filed lawsuits against Apple Inc. in France and Belgium. In them, it accuses the company of using minerals “pillaged” from the central African nation in its products.

Congo’s lawyers have initiated criminal complaints against the US tech giant’s subsidiaries in the two European countries “over the contamination of Apple’s supply chain” with “blood minerals,” according to a statement on Tuesday from Amsterdam & Partners LLP, a law firm working for Congo’s government.

Eastern Congo, which is rich in tin, tungsten and tantalum, minerals widely used in electronics including the iPhone, has been wracked by conflicts involving its armed forces and dozens of militant groups for about three decades. The administration of President Felix Tshisekedi accuses neighboring Rwandaof fueling the violence and providing a conduit for traders to smuggle minerals and gold out of Congo. Rwanda has long denied the allegations.

The complaints allege that Apple uses minerals that have been “laundered through international supply chains.” They also claim that the firm has also deployed “deceptive commercial practices to assure consumers that the tech giant’s supply chains are clean.”


Apple didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment, but previously referred Bloomberg to a March filing in which it said that all of the smelters and refiners in its supply chain had participated in an audit, and suppliers who refused or failed were removed. The company said it was reasonably confident that none of its tin, tungsten or tantalum suppliers financed or otherwise benefited armed groups active in the region.

Congo’s international legal team is tasked with pursuing individuals and companies involved in the “extraction, supply and commercialization of natural resources” that have driven “a cycle of violence and conflict by financing militias and terrorist groups,” according to the statement.

Read More: Congo to Clamp Down on Companies Buying Conflict Minerals

Government spokesman Patrick Muyaya confirmed the country had filed the lawsuit, without providing more details.

This is the first case Congo has filed as part of a strategy to pressure end users who may be using products reliant on minerals that were smuggled or have contributed to conflict. According to a spokesperson for Amsterdam & Partners, ⁠the French and Belgium judicial systems are well suited for these kinds of legal actions.

Last year, Congo and Rwanda produced more than 60% of the tantalum used in the world’s portable electronics, according to the US Geological Survey.

— With assistance from Michael J Kavanagh

I bet that Apple have paid for said resources - its just the money has been spent on consulting fees and snacks and never hit treasury. Gee that sounds familiar.

Apple should trigger a full audit on payments made to the DRC for these minerals - they might even find a minister or two with their hand in the cooky jar.

Just a thought bubble - SilentOne

 

[ptlas]

Thanks to Amovatio on the crapper yesterday.
Sorry if already posted.

FYI:

Hello AVZ's ,

Following on from the Locke Funding Announcement and AGM does anyone have an update on the following Legal Case-

Dathcom JV dispute (Zijin/Dathomir) – From the AGM this hearing was to be the following week. Jincheng disputing our pre-emptive rights/Dathomir challenge over our 15% in Dathcom.

The outcome of this case will undoubtedly put us in the box seat for the ICC and ICSID Arbitration Cases – Title for 13359 ICSID claim against DRC.
Jincheng would have exhausted all avenues to gaining a small portion of Manono. So how does the DRC propose to meet its fine obligations and the economic fallout from these Arbitration hearings.

Will the DRC show its allegiance to China sooner to access the $50B offered by the Chinese President when Felix visited China a couple of months back as part of the African nations visit. This would certainly cover a negotiated settlement for the DRC to pay out AVZ and allow the Chinese to proceed full steam ahead with its quest to obtain control and dominance over the global Lithium market and other assets in the DRC. Or does the DRC favour the side of the recent US funding offer for the Lobito project. Without doubt any commitment shown by the DRC towards China would halt this funding and put the DRC at loggerheads again with its neighbours and international community.

IMO the DRC wanting to head to Arbitration is a smoke screen for the current negotiations that are proceeding. For the DRC to proceed and wait for a verdict to come out from an International court virtually condemning them for allowing this corruption to be played out would be suicidal to attracting future Western investment and this would not look great for wanting to attract other funding from international agencies such as the World Bank. Such a decision on the world stage would most certainly keep the critical resources in the ground indefinitely. The DRC cannot afford further delays in benefitting from the sale of its critical resources. It must act now to award the Full Mining Licence or pay out AVZ. A decision has to be made early in the new year and not allow Arbitration to proceed.
Felix is aware of the International pressures he is now faced with. How much longer does he let this go on before coming up with an outcome to break the deadlock?
Choosing to proceed to Arbitration will expose the names of his DRC Ministers, Cominiere Directors and China co as part of a consortium to steal Manono. This is guaranteed. Proceeding to Arbitration next June allows the Court process to run its course and deliver its verdict.

Felix may be deciding to do this so it publicly distances him from any responsibility while showing loyalty to his Ministers and their actions. When the verdict drops however, that loyalty will be lost and he will have the International verdict to prosecute those people directly responsible for the corruption and misconduct that has embarrassed his Nation. His hand will almost certainly be forced to jail all perpetrators and expel the Chinese miners from the DRC. The people will hold him to this.
The dilemna for Felix is does he wait for the verdict from the ICSID which will hold the DRC accountable for a $10B pay out. Alternatively, does he try and reach an agreement now, before Arbitration. The Arbitration verdict may determine AVZ retains the rights and entitlement to a full licence to Manono under International Law along with the payment of fines. Is the DRC willing to accept this outcome?
IMO their hand is now forced to reach an amicable settlement or risk the consequences of an international verdict and the fallout from this for many years to come.
The outcome for AVZ shareholders in the new year is looking extremely promising and we can only hope common senses prevails to reach an outcome soon.
Thanks to the AVZ Directors, Piper lawyers and Locke for the support provided to protect shareholder interests. Lets stop the corruption now, DRC!

 

[wombat74]

Morning all, here’s today head shaker for consumption with your cornflakes ​

From Bloomberg

​

Congo Sues Apple Alleging ‘Pillaged’ Minerals in Products​

The Democratic Republic of Congo filed lawsuits against Apple Inc. in France and Belgium. In them, it accuses the company of using minerals “pillaged” from the central African nation in its products.

Congo’s lawyers have initiated criminal complaints against the US tech giant’s subsidiaries in the two European countries “over the contamination of Apple’s supply chain” with “blood minerals,” according to a statement on Tuesday from Amsterdam & Partners LLP, a law firm working for Congo’s government.

Eastern Congo, which is rich in tin, tungsten and tantalum, minerals widely used in electronics including the iPhone, has been wracked by conflicts involving its armed forces and dozens of militant groups for about three decades. The administration of President Felix Tshisekedi accuses neighboring Rwandaof fueling the violence and providing a conduit for traders to smuggle minerals and gold out of Congo. Rwanda has long denied the allegations.

The complaints allege that Apple uses minerals that have been “laundered through international supply chains.” They also claim that the firm has also deployed “deceptive commercial practices to assure consumers that the tech giant’s supply chains are clean.”


Apple didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment, but previously referred Bloomberg to a March filing in which it said that all of the smelters and refiners in its supply chain had participated in an audit, and suppliers who refused or failed were removed. The company said it was reasonably confident that none of its tin, tungsten or tantalum suppliers financed or otherwise benefited armed groups active in the region.

Congo’s international legal team is tasked with pursuing individuals and companies involved in the “extraction, supply and commercialization of natural resources” that have driven “a cycle of violence and conflict by financing militias and terrorist groups,” according to the statement.

Read More: Congo to Clamp Down on Companies Buying Conflict Minerals

Government spokesman Patrick Muyaya confirmed the country had filed the lawsuit, without providing more details.

This is the first case Congo has filed as part of a strategy to pressure end users who may be using products reliant on minerals that were smuggled or have contributed to conflict. According to a spokesperson for Amsterdam & Partners, ⁠the French and Belgium judicial systems are well suited for these kinds of legal actions.

Last year, Congo and Rwanda produced more than 60% of the tantalum used in the world’s portable electronics, according to the US Geological Survey.

— With assistance from Michael J Kavanagh

Will this happen before the DRC Government will highly likely be found guilty of one of the biggest acts of Corruption and Theft against a Foreign Investor in history , or after ?

 

[Flight996]

If anyone else wants to contact senator Katy Gallagher, Minister for Finance and/or Jim Chalmers MP, Treasurer about the Future Fund their contact addresses are below.

senator.katy.gallagher@aph.gov.au
jim.chalmers.mp@aph.gov.au

As we are aware, Australia's Future Fund holds 16,787,107 shares in AVZ Minerals within its portfolio of investments. This investment represents 0.01% of its portfolio, and is valued at approx $AU13 million (30 June 2024). This is taxpayers' money.

The Minister for Finance and the Treasurer have joint portfolio responsibility for this fund.

I have contacted both ministers about their knowledge of the web of corruption and illegalities facing one of the Future Fund's holdings in the Democratic Republic of Corruption (DRC), and what (if any) steps have been taken to protect the Australian taxpayer from a total wipe-out of their investment.

Australia will probably have a federal election in early 2025, so now is a good time to ask these questions.

Cheers
F

 

[tolate]

Look Tolate , you don’t give a shit about shareholders of AVz ; you’re an absolute low grade prick ; we don’t appreciate you or any of those fuckwits at Fattail. Many would say you guys are clearly being deceptive ; you were all caught on camera in the DRC , in Simon Congs Hotel meddling around in something which wasn’t any of your business

Shareholders have spoke through votes at at both last years and this years AGMs ; we don’t want you pricks anywhere near the company. Huljich , Klaus & Cong fucked shareholders over at Armani gold ; so what do you reckon people are thinking here ?

Klaus , Hulijich and Cong , they’ve all served on Amani Gold's board and Armani golds shareholders got shafted when Amani Gold sold its interest in its main project , the Giro gold deposit to a company and guess what , that companies main shareholder was Simon Cong.

You guys seem to think you’re so clever ; banging away at the company trying to take it down. yourself and East Wood creating multi nicks on social droning on with the same shit .

There’s a lot of shareholders here with a lot on the line , you guys fucking around where you aren’t wanted for your own personal gain knowing the consequences for these shareholders and their families is pretty fucked up .

The likes of Carrick and Hulijich are already wealthy individuals; yourself and East Wood are running on some sort of vendetta with NF ; where you were treated well but were incompetent in any case and got the huff you got the boot and rightly so . Eastwood … well , he lost his ass trying to be super clever in the Russian roulette / penny end of the market and blames everyone else , because in his own head he’s never wrong

Absolute dog act by the lot of you guys ; dangerous immoral game you play imo and I hope karma finds you all

Meanwhile, more than 21,000 shareholders are caught in the crossfire, uncertain if they’ll ever see their investments again. This is the kind of blow no investor deserves.

While AVZ management remains committed to a resolution and maintains they’re still fighting for their shareholders, numerous questions remain:

Questions to be asked
​

1. Can AVZ expect to be awarded a mining licence in the near future?
2. How will the ongoing legal proceedings impact AVZ’s relationship with the DRC government?
3. Would a full sale of the Manono project be in shareholders’ best interest?
4. Will AVZ relist?
5. Will the fines imposed by international courts be paid by Cominiere?
6. Will a shareholder class action against AVZ proceed?

The AVZ saga underscores the importance of due diligence and understanding the risks involved in mining investments, especially in less stable jurisdictions. For the many thousands of AVZ shareholders, this situation is undoubtedly distressing. It's important to remember that behind every investment are real people, and their financial well-being should always be a priority.