AVZ Discussion 2022

[cruiser51]

It's pretty clear Americans couldn't give a fuck about Manono

*Maybe, Maybe Not, Time will tell, but for now the EU might

*To remind,

DRC-EU, value chain of strategic minerals: a memorandum of understanding will be signed before September

Before September 2023, a memorandum of understanding on the value chain of strategic minerals will be signed between the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and the European Union (EU), announced the spokesman of the government, Patrick Muyaya, at the end of the Council of Ministers led on Friday by the President of the Republic, Félix Tshisekedi.

The Head of State instructed the Prime Minister, Jean-Michel Sama Lukonde, to set up a multisectoral and inclusive Congolese team which will make up the negotiating committee empowered to discuss with European Union officials to lead to the signing of this protocol of agreement.

According to the government spokesman, President Félix Tshisekedi insisted that the two parties (DRC-EU) agree "on a roadmap around industrial projects for the transformation and valorization of critical minerals which will make it possible to accelerate the ecological transition in the DRC and in the European Union”.

“The Prime Minister has therefore been instructed to set up a multi-sector and inclusive Congolese team which will make up the negotiating committee empowered to discuss with European Union officials to lead to the signing, before September 2023, of a protocol agreement between the DRC and the European Commission through its delegation in our country.

The September deadline being that of the holding in Kinshasa of the DRC-Africa Forum devoted to battery metals, an opportunity for our country to highlight such an agreement,” said Patrick Muyaya.

Following the visit of French President Emmanuel Macron from March 3 to 5 in Kinshasa, the Minister of Mines of the DRC, the European Commissioner in charge of the internal market had started discussions for the conclusion of a partnership on the responsible value chain for strategic minerals, he recalled.

This meeting was sanctioned, specifies Muyaya, by a joint press release which emphasized the commitment of the two parties to launch negotiations and to set up a working group in order to continue the said discussions with the objective of concluding the strategic partnership between the European Union on the value chain of strategic minerals.

“However, at the end of the first round of discussions, it turned out that the scope of the partnership sought required a transversal approach requiring the involvement of all the sectoral ministries concerned, including the governance unit which is housed in the Presidential Council of strategic intelligence,” he said.

The DRC is one of the world's leading producers of cobalt and copper and the EU, which is among the main consumers, is convinced that this partnership will create jobs and growth for Congolese citizens and support Europe's ecological transition.

This partnership is part of the new EU strategy for the Great Lakes and the Global Gateway.

It will be based on four pillars, namely: the value chain of critical minerals, cooperation in research and innovation, alignment with environmental, social and governance criteria as well as capacity building.

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Food for thought

Frank

However due to a corruption case it will be fuk u.
With compliments from the world bank.
Maybe Felix understands now.

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

While the US wants to win the African geo-politics game, it's attention is elsewhere at the moment. There are also numerous lithium options in Canada where the sovereign risk is minimal.

I see no verifiable evidence of a US commitment to anything significant in the DRC.

The US was late to the party vis-a-vis critical mineral security and influence over African nations. But to think that they have not since rolled up their sleeves and gotten to work is an incorrect read on geo-political events.

 

[cruiser51]

Absolutely not! US wants to win on green energy transition, we are talking about 25% world reserve of lithium in Manono. This is the same reason why we are in this predicament.

China made massive investments worldwide in lithium mining.
I don't think they want to see those investments go down the gurgler, they rather block Manono with an investment of $33.4 million and a couple of brown bags.
The fact the DRC + Felix don't get this, shows their intellect.

 

[Charbella]

Sorry, not doing your research for you, but perhaps commence with North American Lithium, Whabouchi, Tanco Mine, La Corne and Arcadia for starters. And PMT, which rivals Manono will be producing well before a single shovel is turned at Manono.
End of this conversation.

The initial drilling program has confirmed the immense size and potential of the Manono Lithium project.

Based on detailed prospect scale mapping, trenching and drill results, and given the size and mineralised nature of the pegmatites at Manono, AVZ generated an exploration target of between 1Bt to 1.2Bt of 1.25% to 1.5% Li2O for the entire Manono Project, including between 300 and 400Mt of 1.25% to 1.5% Li2O for the Roche Dure Pegmatite alone.

We have the prettiest girl in the room. End of this conversation!

 

[Charbella]

China made massive investments worldwide in lithium mining.
I don't think they want to see those investments go down the gurgler, they rather block Manono with an investment of $33.4 million and aa couple of brown bags.
The fact the DRC +. Felix don't get this shows their intellect.

This point I do agree, and is 100% what Zijin is trying to do.

 

[David Krappenschitz]

Any truth in this? @Nellie17 @The Fox @9cardomaha

Does DRC want the bullshit arbitration cases filed by Zijin and Cominiere over the last year+ which have held up the development of Manono cancelled too? The preposterous >$1B damages claim by corrupt entities who have broken DRC laws, and whose illegal actions have been exposed by IGF?

FFS

 

[ptlas]

I was being flippant. I thought that was implied in the tone. I’ve read the MOU. And I think you’re right Re the choice about the west vs China. What a fucking lame way for us all to lose money. Because a corrupt asshole threw his people under the bus. I wonder if Cath might weigh in in our support.

CATH have done fuck all apart from sign a few MOUs

CATH are the fallback position.
They will do what CCP tells them to.

To believe anything else is extremely naive.

Straws, clutching.

Fatty now has a stark choice.

Either

Jump into bed with Zingy and continue getting raped. Seems to like it.
He may well choose to do that, but will want to get re-elected first.

If that is the case, then I'm really lost working out how people can quote figures of arund $1.50 for our shares.
Based on what? Slight premium to our previous high? WHY?
Double the suspension price? WHY?
If they can fuck us over for $1.50, then can fuck us over for 10c, so forget about discussing figures plucked from thin air.

OR

Pay us what it's worth (I've already given a financial justification for $12).
(Alternatively, give AVZ the ML and stop fuckwits making mischief around construction costs and timeline.
If they do, we can sell to Elon or whoever.)

Remember that China has many irons worldwide in the lithium fire.
DRC has only one.



But make no mistake, the application to ICSID means decision time for Fatty.
Stand against Chinois and have normal relations with the West or sell your country down the river again.
I for one, am not prepared to take a token sum to get that toad out of his hole.

This now gives the previously powerless AVZ some leverage.
Sit and wait.

Tick tock
The whole world is watching.

 

[Roon]

CATH have done fuck all apart from sign a few MOUs

CATH are the fallback position.
They will do what CCP tells them to.

To believe anything else is extremely naive.

Straws, clutching.

Fatty now has a stark choice.

Either

Jump into bed with Zingy and continue getting raped. Seems to like it.
He may well choose to do that, but will want to get re-elected first.

If that is the case, then I'm really lost working out how people can quote figures of arund $1.50 for our shares.
Based on what? Slight premium to our previous high? WHY?
Double the suspension price? WHY?
If they can fuck us over for $1.50, then can fuck us over for 10c, so forget about discussing figures plucked from thin air.

OR

Pay us what it's worth (I've already given a financial justification for $12).
(Alternatively, give AVZ the ML and stop fuckwits making mischief around construction costs and timeline.
If they do, we can sell to Elon or whoever.)

Remember that China has many irons worldwide in the lithium fire.
DRC has only one.



But make no mistake, the application to ICSID means decision time for Fatty.
Stand against Chinois and have normal relations with the West or sell your country down the river again.
I for one, am not prepared to take a token sum to get that toad out of his hole.

This now gives the preciously powerless AVZ some leverage.
Sit and wait.

Tick tock
The whole world is watching.

I thought the whole 12$ thing on here was a running joke. Is there actually people that believe this is a possibility? 42b AUD for 75% of a deposit in the DRC, with part of that ownership under dispute, with zero infrastructure or transportation, with the world watching whilst sovereign risk plays out in textbook fashion? There are producing companies that completely own numerous mines that don't approach that.

Sure this is an epic deposit, which probably wont be outshined anyime soon, with the discovered lithium likely to be worth about 50b, and probably larger when the rest is drilled, but getting 12$ for AVZ anytime soon is living in a fantasy land. I'll stick with the arbitrary 1.5$

 

[ptlas]

I thought the whole 12$ thing on here was a running joke. Is there actually people that believe this is a possibility? 42b AUD for 75% of a deposit in the DRC, with part of that ownership under dispute, with zero infrastructure or transportation, with the world watching whilst sovereign risk plays out in textbook fashion? There are producing companies that completely own numerous mines that don't approach that.

Sure the discovered lithium is likely to be worth about 50b, and larger when the rest is drilled, but getting 12$ for AVZ is living on a fantasy land

So you wanna talk $1.50 and then take a lowball offer???

 

[Roon]

So you wanna talk $1.50 and then take a lowball offer???

Each to their own I guess. Perhaps I'm just not feeling as comfortable as to our current circumstances as you are, or wish to set myself even semi realistic expectations. Frankly id be dancing on the roof if we got that, rather than potentially losing all. I do however think upon reflection that it was probably the right step, ICSID that is, to push us towards a boiling point in which we cant be ignored, and some kind of resolution occurs one way or the other.

 

[Stockinvesting]

So you wanna talk $1.50 and then take a lowball offer???

Anyone who says they wouldn't take $1.50, right now, is a liar.

 

[wombat74]

So you wanna talk $1.50 and then take a lowball offer???

Mate if $1.50 got us out of this mess right now I'm sure most would jump at it . As long as Nigel gives share holders the opportunity of course .

 

[ptlas]

I'm sure most would.

Not me

 

[Newcomer]

Can you back up your answer with examples of lithium supply where US can get their hands on which is not already controlled by the Chinese in Canada?

Canada orders three Chinese firms to exit lithium mining

 

[ptlas]

Each to their own I guess. Perhaps I'm just not feeling as comfortable as to our current circumstances as you are, or wish to set myself even semi realistic expectations. Frankly id be dancing on the roof if we got that, rather than potentially losing all. I do however think upon reflection that it was probably the right step, ICSID that is, to push us towards a boiling point in which we cant be ignored, and some kind of resolution occurs one way or the other.

That was esssentially my point mate.

But not $1.50

 

[Roger2018]

I’d be over the moon if we got $1.50 a share!

 

[CHB]

Plenty of risk investing in DRC and this stock.

If you accept $1.50 you might as well have sold out at $1.20 or whatever it was 1-1.5 years ago and saved the stress.

 

[Roon]

Plenty of risk investing in DRC and this stock.

If you accept $1.50 you might as well have sold out at $1.20 or whatever it was 1-1.5 years ago and saved the stress.

I wish I had! This last year has been unpleasant, and my focus on AVZ has really impacted my general wellbeing. Finding myself thinking about it far too often

Have certainly learned some lessons here about investing, that I'll try to carry with me into the future. Primarily about more diversification and spreading the love so that if one fails, as some invariably will, that it won't turn my life upside down as this one has.

 

[cruiser51]

NEWSECONOMYINTERNATIONAL

DRC excluded from the list of investments of the French group ERAMET, following the blocking of the PE of lithium of Manono by the government​

June 11, 2023
Kiki Kienge


By Kiki Kienge
It was last March that the DR Congo and the EU announced an agreement on rare minerals such as copper, cobalt and lithium, the two parties initiated negotiations for a partnership on the exploitation of rare minerals and strategic, for the next few months a "win-win" memorandum of understanding and a roadmap are announced on this cooperation and investment agreement in a mining sector in the DRC, so the EU intends to fight the Chinese monopoly in the DRC , reduce its dependence on China and accelerate its ecological transition.
The EU is focusing above all on the development of a value chain in the DR Congo and the creation of a market for the battery, electric vehicle and renewable energy industry, as pointed out by Mrs. Jutta Urpilainen, European Commissioner for International Partnerships :
“We want to create value in the DRC, local added value. Not just exporting your raw materials to Finland, Europe and then refining them in Europe. We do n't want to create dependency, nor do we want neocolonialism. We really want to create local value and we want to create a win-win partnership. »

During the visit of President Emmanuel Macron to Kinshasa, the two countries notably concluded an agreement for the mapping and sustainable management of the mining resources which abound in the Congolese subsoil, French companies and institutes will be invited to map and invest in the mining sector of the DR Congo according to this partnership.
But here is following the blocking of the delivery of the exploitation permit 13359 by the Congolese government to DATHCOM, of which the group AVZ MINERALS owns 75%, which must allow the start of the exploitation of the lithium of Manono, the French group, ERAMET has just excluded the DR Congo from its investment strategy in Africa for the time being.
“ Geoff Streeton , director of strategy for the company, and Christophe Thillier , in charge of exploration, have also drawn a line under the DRC for the moment, despite having identified its lithium potential.
The difficulties encountered by the Australian AVZ MINERALS on its Manono project in Tanganyka in the south-east of the country gave pause to the French company which has chosen to concentrate its investments in this sector on its Centenario-Ratones project in Argentina," said the media, Africa Intelligence.

ERAMET is a French mining and metallurgical company with a workforce of 9,090 employees spread over 17 mining and industrial sites in 15 countries. In 2022, it achieved a turnover of 5.014 billion euros.
On November 8, 2021, ERAMET announced the launch of its lithium mine project in the Andean highlands of northern Argentina. The construction of a plant will start in early 2022 and end in 2024 with the aim of producing 24,000 tonnes of lithium carbonate per year. Much of its lithium production will supply the European battery construction sector.

 

[Roger2018]

Plenty of risk investing in DRC and this stock.

If you accept $1.50 you might as well have sold out at $1.20 or whatever it was 1-1.5 years ago and saved the stress.

Hindsight is awesome! I don’t think there would be many who would not have sold if they knew what shit show was coming!