AVZ Discussion 2022

[Samus]

1/4 #MANONO #LITHIUM To resolve the stalled situation, we propose to the Head of State, Félix #Tshisekesi with the exception of: - To create an ad hoc commission. - To nominate the head of ECOFIN for its presidency. - Participation of others
@Presidence_RDC
@YNdjoli

2/4 ministries linked to the project. - Involve $AVZ , COMINIERE, DATHOMIR, civil society, representatives of Tanganyika and customary chiefs of #Manono . OBJECTIVE : - Make Tabula Rasa of the management of COMINIERE, appointing new leaders (non-politicized).

3/4 - Discuss ongoing legal disputes. - Negotiate only with the legal components of DATHCOM, respecting the contract of the joint venture and international rules. - Decide on the sale of the 15% of the State to #ZIJIN and their recovery.

4/4 - Take back the 5% of the State from DATHOMIR. - Recover the 5% donated to MMCS. - Clarify the 15% AVZ/DATHOMIR conflict.

 

[David Krappenschitz]

Just received this private message on the Twitter

"I been told not helping us if we continue to attack the Govt Ministers and especially the President ... I been told could hamper their efforts in DRC next 4 weeks, timing is critical,
I suspect this includes CAMI DG Mupande as he is a v powerful man protected b wise not to attack hime either"

Not sure if i should take note as this has been asked many times before and still no outcome

I just feel the corrupt should be named and shamed ........specially after reading the AVZ announcement........ my gloves came off.

Given that Franck Fwamba shared the same sentiment as Jens and other shareholders on Twitter a couple weeks ago re attacking gov ministers (ie attacks hampering/not helping), I think there’s credence to this and SHs should lay off given we are apparently in crucial discussions atm. Imo

On another note, as have been observing this thread for a while, a couple weeks ago Nellie said something along the lines of ‘give it a couple weeks and we’ll know if we’re fucked or not’. Guessing that we were in negotiations with Cominiere which went sour hence the announcement yesterday. So.. are we fucked then? or have we got further negotiations happening?

Gltah

 

[9cardomaha]

May cooler heads prevail - i'm always open to laying off ministers in the DRC, we don't know whos in who's pocket or which minister is the sisters cousin's baby sitter's father in laws step-sons dogs best friend's owner.

On twitter, getting the simple message out that:

• Zijin are rat fuck snake eyed cunts with appauling human rights and governance track records and;
• AVZ have done it by the book, we are in it for the people of Manono

These are the ones that resonate most with me and i think with these messages we could sway the minister's constituents to apply pressure.

I've got a couple days off this week, going to dust off my photoshop and pitch in to help with some assets for the above (not that i don't love Jag's pump and dump of our sustainability report lol)

Happy for people to DM me for requests and provide suggestions for designs or wordings.

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

ARTICLE 19 CONTROL OF OPERATIONS

• 19.1 Each Party has an unlimited right to control and monitor all DATHCOM Mining SAS Operations. It is free to exercise it itself or through its internal auditors or experts, or to have it carried out by an external auditor or expert, it being understood that this right can only be exercised (1) after notice of 15 days addressed to DATHCOM Mining SAS and (i) may not affect the security and/or efficiency of the operations of DAT COM Mining SAS”

If the documents were withheld, it is possible that providing the documents could have been a security risk for Dathcom Mining SAS given the possibility of sensitive content being shared with our detractors.

See below:

Cominiere's termination of JVA is the key here (it is only the agreement, i jumped the gun yesterday thinking it was the entire JV).

The response by AVZ and disclosure stems from the December 2022 Cominiere letter which details AVZ's alleged breach of agreement from Cominiere view (previously posted on TSE).

Currently, I have confirmation that there is a set of correspondence out there whereby:

1. Cominiere writes to AVZ stating we 'need to talk' or 'show us X/Y' according to the December letter (this is part of the resolution of disputes article in the JVA). Cominiere would have also provided a 60-90 day timeframe for AVZ to respond. ​

2. AVZ submitted its response to Cominere and I believe there was a meeting held, based on my source.​

3. Cominiere deliberated on the contents of the meeting and finally sent another letter to AVZ stating that it was 'unhappy' with the response and enacted the termination clause of the JVA.​

4. AVZ, in its right according to the JVA then instigated the ICC case against Cominiere to void this termination because we've fucking done everything by the book.​

​

One thing i confirmed is that Cominiere does not have the authority to just terminate the JVA, so 3 would be considered a raise. In order to terminate the JVA Cominiere needs to officially submit its request to governing bodies (MOP/MOM) they need to approve and the decision needs to be ratified at local DRC court before anything official occurs.

AVZ's steps here to directly go to ICC has all but blocked Cominiere's ability to go and submit in the local legal framework, because ICC would supercede any rulings and approval of its request.

I am working on obtaining 1-3 to share with everyone, but the above is what i have been told. Take it or leave it and for the ZJ spies and tommy-twat tinglers on here i will take a leaf out of Jens playbook and say YOU'RE ALL FUCKED.

TLDR: Cominiere do not have the authority to cancel shit, AVZ raising the stakes straight to ICC fucks their process and CKKs scheme with ZJ will be a flop. We will just need to wait - i like the poker analogy, BOD just fucking pushed CKK and his limp dick hand all-in.

The research is appreciated @9cardomaha - good stuff.

 

[TDITD]

I only want in, if they brew something holy.

Do they brew Chartreuse?

If so, I don't give a shit if it is in New Zealand.

I'm will be on me way to do a bit of silent recovering from AVZ for 8 weeks, to come back rejuvenated.

If it is close to Rotorua, I might even take a mud bath to complete the cleansing.

Zijin will provide all the mud you need

 

[TDITD]

So this is another corrupt proposal telling Tshisekedi how to rip us off

Kiki is good, he is suggesting replacing cominiere clowns, and then discussing the rest. No way Zijin get in under the scenario he puts forward as all will agree laws were broken and AVZ offer is far superior

 

[TDITD]

May cooler heads prevail - i'm always open to laying off ministers in the DRC, we don't know whos in who's pocket or which minister is the sisters cousin's baby sitter's father in laws step-sons dogs best friend's owner.

On twitter, getting the simple message out that:

• Zijin are rat fuck snake eyed cunts with appauling human rights and governance track records and;
• AVZ have done it by the book, we are in it for the people of Manono

These are the ones that resonate most with me and i think with these messages we could sway the minister's constituents to apply pressure.

I've got a couple days off this week, going to dust off my photoshop and pitch in to help with some assets for the above (not that i don't love Jag's pump and dump of our sustainability report lol)

Happy for people to DM me for requests and provide suggestions for designs or wordings.

Agreed,

It seems once again pressure is being applied, maybe it's actually for real (for once).

If the precious little petals weren't such gormless corrupt fuckers they wouldn't be in this situation, but can see the sense in once again holding off (while we are bullshitted to again).


Zijin are fair game though and so too must be reiterating AVZs legal standing and excellent work to date on the project.

This is wearing mighty thin (no pun intended)

 

[MoneyBags1348]

Kiki is good, he is suggesting replacing cominiere clowns, and then discussing the rest. No way Zijin get in under the scenario he puts forward as all will agree laws were broken and AVZ offer is far superior

Don’t get me wrong TITS, I’m a huge fan of Kiki who has provided enormous support, what I’m saying is that any suggestion of taking a percentage back from Dathomir means taking it from us seeing how we already legally paid for those percentages

Apart from that I’m wondering if the new IGM (Inspector General of Mines) has been brought in to help us and overrule CAMI or to overrule the IGF (Inspector General of Finance).

Goodnight mate, I’m off to bed, hoping the codeine will work, though it doesn’t look like it is so far

 

[Flexi]

Ok.
I will remove the President and the Ministers from my scope and focus on CKK, Tommy Turd and the merits of AVZ for 4 weeks

 

[TDITD]

Don’t get me wrong TITS, I’m a huge fan of Kiki who has provided enormous support, what I’m saying is that any suggestion of taking a percentage back from Dathomir means taking it from us seeing how we already legally paid for those percentages

Goodnight mate, I’m off to bed, hoping the codeine will work, though it doesn’t look like it is so far

The 5% back from MMCS goes straight to the state, as that's where it was taken from.

In theory if those cretinous cum-stains at Cominiere are gone and new leaders are appointed we can go through and discuss sensibly, rationally and even lawfully , I know imagine that .
We can reason and negotiate for the extra and work out a deal. It would be amazing, too good to be true infact so no chance of that happening, no snacks involved.

 

[Frank]

In other news today . Avz has been stripped of the World's Largest Lithium Project and ejected from the DRC on account of Johnny Blow Hard and Mates consistently making derogatory remarks on social media concerning that countries President and his corrupt Ministers. AVZ Minerals were set to be potentially the largest lithium producer on the planet until Johnny Blow Hard and his mates from outer Western Sydney completely fucked it up ......................

*Don't forget our DRC / AVZ Champion Jonnno giving it a Red Hot crack on our behalf, Lucky for him / us he doesn't live in Russia or China otherwise he might find himself in Hot Water / Concrete Boots by now

*Go Jonnno, You're a Fuckin' Legend Bro

*C'mon everyone, get on and give him some

*Oh, Don't forget our Dominic, He deserves some as well imo

*PS - Plus Paul, Please take from Peter and give plenty to Paul

 

[TDITD]

Jens and co actually have been contacted by some individuals at the coal face so to speak and have been asked to calm the farm and slim it down a bit on Twitter ; apparently some of the content is rubbing some people up the wrong way and becoming a ‘abrasive’ ; unfortunately I think so many repeated promises / nearly there which haven’t come to fruition for one reason or another has created a sort of ‘the boy who cried wolf’ sort of scenario .

Anyway all big boys and gals ; weary investors I’m sure you can make your minds up ; maybe the DRC officials should stay off Twitter too and just do their jobs … there’s always going to be conflicts … it’s just how people react to it all I suppose

A definite boy who cried wolf imminent situation.

DRC officials aren't going to do their jobs, they haven't been since we've been at Manono, that's part of the problem.

It's actually frightening just how pathetic they are to be so offended at being told the truth 'disrespectfully', yet so blissfully happy to ignore the obvious and rampant corruption of Zijin, Cong, Mupande, Kayinda, CCK aaaand the list goes on, they also shit all over the people of Manono

 

[Samus]

I reckon shareholders have been pretty patient considering we were supposed to get the expidited mining licence within a few weeks some two years ago.
The Congolese politicians and public servants have somehow stuffed things beyond belief even though everything was done according to their mining code and their laws.
The idiots are sensitive because they're being called out on social media, big deal so they should be called out imo. And they should have been sacked, jailed and worse as well. Instead they get reinstated in the government, sit there entrenched in their 20 year positions and even the buffoons at Cominière haven't been sacked.
They carry on like a pack of kindergarten kids and burst into crocodile tears if things don't go their corrupted lying way.
Give them hell, who cares at this point. I'm also of the opinion that we might as well release the bfs and bring on ICC against the government. They've tied this up in years of legal battles anyway through greed, corruption and stupidity. Zijin is a problem but the Congolese are the real problem here and they're not changing, even their own corruption watchdog is in despair for the inaction.

 

[Misfits]

My response was

"I have heard this many times before .... next 2 weeks, next month, soon, etc. and nothing happens. I dont believe i am attacking the president but asking the questions. As to the Ministers.... yes



. They have been identified by the IGF as corrupt. So i am sharing the facts. I am heavily invested in AVZ....all in. I have been suffering financially for 11 months living on borrowed money from family and friends. I feel these crooks need to be shamed."

Yep I too received this PM.

My reply was very similar and that I am fed up the President hasn’t used his pen to give us the ML. Also pissed off the President is not sticking to what he says. EG: show me the proof and I will prosecute any thief’s.

 

[Samus]

Yep I too received this PM.

My reply was very similar and that I am fed up the President hasn’t used his pen to give us the ML. Also pissed off the President is not sticking to what he says. EG: show me the proof and I will prosecute any thief’s.

Who is sending these PM's?

Some Chinaman?

 

[Flexi]

I have removed my "offending" postings from Twitter as asked.

However after 4 weeks if no progress made, these mother fucking princess's wont know what hit them.

I will come out with both barrels firing and closely following behind a Leopard Tank and HMARS rockets

Fingers crossed that I will not need to do this.

 

[Misfits]

Who is sending these PM's?

Some Chinaman?

Someone who is on Twitter defending AVZ all day. We went too and fro over a few things respectfully. 4 weeks is a while not to remind certain people of their non committal attitude to AVZ, such as Felix.

 

[cruiser51]

Zijin will provide all the mud you need

I have news for Zijin, fukum.

 

[Samus]

Someone who is on Twitter defending AVZ all day. We went too and fro over a few things respectfully. 4 weeks is a while not to remind certain people of their non committal attitude to AVZ, such as Felix.

They started saying it at least 5 weeks ago, saying the next fortnight was critical. Now they want another month. We keep hearing the same thing time and again.
Personally I've not seen much on twitter against FT, only from troll accounts. I'm assuming very frustrated shareholders or more likely detractors trying to give AVZ a bad wrap. We're not likely to silence those types anyway.
The frustration is that if FT was serious about corruption it shouldn't really matter at all upsetting the likes of JFMK, Mop or the idiots at Cominière.

It's understandable that frustrations boil over because in near 12 month we've gone nothing but backwards into legal turmoil and been smothered in misinformation and chaos without a single sign of the government backing we need to progress.
A lot of heresay that never ends in results.

 

[Winenut]

I'm actually not fucking interested being told what to do, or what not to do, by some fucking anonymous person, or expert, or influencer, or supposedly connected fucking hero, or inner circle "hearsay wink/nod" douchebag on any fucking platform or thread or fucking Twittersphere in relation to my response and actions to the shit going down in the DRC and AVZ's fall from ministerial decree awarding the ML to the current position of who knows what the fuck is happening and we're taking our JV partner to the fucking ICC

Fuck me....

I don't want the Mantle but for fucks sake I may as well believe and put faith in the Tooth Fairy, Jesus fucking Christ himself, Jehovah, Aliens, Sasquatch, Ron L Hubbard, the Loch Ness Monster, the Easter Bunny, Father fucking Christmas and any other fucking uncredited, unreliable, unauthenticated, blowing their own bags, self proclaimed Messiah on the fucking interweb

Unless Nige fucking calls me or AVZ put out an official announcement I'll continue to decide what I'll do and when I fucking do it

Eleven fucking months

Fuck me