AVZ Discussion 2022
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yaseenmeoncebefore
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Now hold on just a second. The article is referring to concerns about the rigor and transparency of the permitting process. So I agree with them about this being a problem. I have huge concerns about the permitting process in relation to AVZ's project. I have not found it to be a transparent process at all. I have actually found some of the DRC Government entities to be quite dishonest and corrupt. This is more a reflection on the DRC Government than AVZ.
It would be very interesting to read the actual white paper which the article references.
The article says "lithium permits are often awarded without competitive bidding and through ad hoc allocation procedures" - Yep, spot on. This sounds like exactly what happened at Manono, where Manono Lithium/Zijin were given a mining license through an "ad-hoc" process.
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Winenut
GO AVZ!!!!
We haven't received an exploitation permit despite completing all the requirements as per the mining code (and we're the only one) is my point
Agreed the article raises issues with transparency of the system on the DRC side but I thinks it's been well proven that AVZ completed all the mining code requirements in the most transparent fashion in relation to PR13559 and I still assert it is unfair to be tarred with the same brush as Tantalex and Zijin in that regard
yaseenmeoncebefore
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My point is that I don't think we necessarily are being tarred with the same brush. They refer to projects involving AVZ minerals and Zijin mining, which is the Manono project, and I think we all agree there are transparency issues related to permitting for the project.
I think we need to read the white paper they refer to for more detail, but let's not jump to conclusions yet.
yaseenmeoncebefore
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Point Piper Dealer
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Well pointed out Dave! The issue is with the DRC is they realise that they own nothing now. AVZ played good corporate citizen and even wanted to partner with DRC govt to mine. It's when greed comes into play with Liesette and Celestine that the waters started to get very murky.The article mentions licenses being granted without feasibility and environmental studies being completed.
This was the case with Tantalex and Zijin but clearly not with AVZ. AVZ might have been thrown in to make a comparison too, rather than being in the same boat. These points could easily be made in a reply to the article, showing AVZ is the only company to produce the DFS and Environmental Studies
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Manono Project Sustainability Report 2020-2021 — AVZ Minerals Limited
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Dave Evans
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Well said @Samus
We all remember the troll Ohreally aka Yaseen aka Yathoughtyaseenme aka yaseenmeoncebefore aka KentCStrait and all his other aliases and trolling and threatening before he deleted dozens of posts and threads. No doubt he’s a pathetic little weasel and hopefully Zeebot will delete the rest of his profiles before he deletes all the information on the threads again
Mr Inappropriate
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$120 (USD).
yaseenmeoncebefore
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You and the little gimp moron crew deleted my posts so I did the same thing back to you and beat you at your own game
and it will NEVER not be funny.How many times must we go through the same discussion before you get it through your thick skulls? Is 50 times enough? Is 100 times enough? What about 200?
We know you are upset about having your little posts deleted and have to bring it up over and over and over. Try and get over it little gimp boy. It has been months. Are you still going to be fixated on me in 2027? 2028? How about 2030?
I come on the forum from time to time and discuss AVZ matters. If you can't handle that, then round up all the gimps into the tard bus and head back to the safe space thread.
LINK: https://x.com/KiengeKki/status/2008525746222886913?s=20
Mpiana-Mwanga Hydroelectric Power Plant: COMINIERE Trapped by ZIJIN By Kiki #Kienge The Mpiana-Mwanga hydroelectric power plant dossier starkly highlights the governance failures of COMINIERE SA, which today finds itself in dire straits against its own partner, the Chinese giant #Zijin Group. After sidelining the Australians from $AVZ Minerals in favor of Zijin in the strategic management of energy related to the Manono project,
COMINIERE now finds itself marginalized in a dossier it helped unbalance itself, giving the impression of having been "taken for a ride" and having lost control over its own choices. The dispute now pits it against MPIANA-MWANGA Power over the granting of the electricity operation and marketing certificate, essential for Manono's mining activities. COMINIERE believes its rights have not been respected and that this allocation undermines its strategic interests.
Even more troubling, the company claims that Zijin is pursuing parallel actions, negotiating directly with MPIANA-MWANGA Power and certain Kinshasa authorities, without any real coordination with the Congolese side. A situation that exposes COMINIERE to unilateral decisions contrary to the interests of the State.
In response to this imbalance, the Board of Directors has announced the creation of a dedicated energy subsidiary, intended to allow COMINIERE to regain control and reduce its dependence on Zijin. For many observers, this initiative feels more like a belated admission of strategic failure, revealing a loss of energy sovereignty that the company is now scrambling to correct in a rush.
Mpiana-Mwanga Hydroelectric Power Plant: COMINIERE Trapped by ZIJIN By Kiki #Kienge The Mpiana-Mwanga hydroelectric power plant dossier starkly highlights the governance failures of COMINIERE SA, which today finds itself in dire straits against its own partner, the Chinese giant #Zijin Group. After sidelining the Australians from $AVZ Minerals in favor of Zijin in the strategic management of energy related to the Manono project,
COMINIERE now finds itself marginalized in a dossier it helped unbalance itself, giving the impression of having been "taken for a ride" and having lost control over its own choices. The dispute now pits it against MPIANA-MWANGA Power over the granting of the electricity operation and marketing certificate, essential for Manono's mining activities. COMINIERE believes its rights have not been respected and that this allocation undermines its strategic interests.
Even more troubling, the company claims that Zijin is pursuing parallel actions, negotiating directly with MPIANA-MWANGA Power and certain Kinshasa authorities, without any real coordination with the Congolese side. A situation that exposes COMINIERE to unilateral decisions contrary to the interests of the State.
In response to this imbalance, the Board of Directors has announced the creation of a dedicated energy subsidiary, intended to allow COMINIERE to regain control and reduce its dependence on Zijin. For many observers, this initiative feels more like a belated admission of strategic failure, revealing a loss of energy sovereignty that the company is now scrambling to correct in a rush.
Winenut
GO AVZ!!!!
All hail Celestin the Fuckwit….
You'll have to accept that there won't be another cent here...AVZ is disappearing further and further into obscurity.
Just look at the current facts and events. DLA Piper, which has represented AVZ in this saga for years, is now publicly advertising for a new employee to take over the AVZ case...it doesn't get more amateurish than that.
An Australian court has now drafted and published the complaint...when a court in its own country is working against AVZ, even though there's a chance of the world's largest lithium deposit, that speaks volumes.
Kobold wants to "buy out" AVZ but doesn't even have the capital to raise $1 billion...how are they supposed to put the required $10 billion on the table then? Their offer was $0.28 per Australian dollar spread over 10 years...
Other international companies operating in the lithium industry are giving DRC and therefore AVZ a wide berth. They know exactly what a mess this is.
Not even the US delegation is making any progress in the DRC, despite its massive support from the US government and Trump personally. It's highly unlikely any small Australian company will succeed either.
No Australian company or corporation has ever managed to gain a foothold in the world, or rather, outside of Australia. The Australian mentality isn't suited for it. They're simply too laid-back and unmotivated for the global market. This, coupled with highly corrupt officials in the DRC, is a recipe for disaster.
Ferguson and his associates have been acting completely amateurishly in this whole situation for months, even years.
Conclusion: You have the USA (a global power), DLA Piper (an absolute top company in such cases), CATL (a world leader in lithium), and a dozen influential shareholders on board, yet you're not making any progress at all; it feels like the whole thing is just winding down. How do you expect to convince anyone that anything worthwhile will come of this? Just face reality and the facts.
Just look at the current facts and events. DLA Piper, which has represented AVZ in this saga for years, is now publicly advertising for a new employee to take over the AVZ case...it doesn't get more amateurish than that.
An Australian court has now drafted and published the complaint...when a court in its own country is working against AVZ, even though there's a chance of the world's largest lithium deposit, that speaks volumes.
Kobold wants to "buy out" AVZ but doesn't even have the capital to raise $1 billion...how are they supposed to put the required $10 billion on the table then? Their offer was $0.28 per Australian dollar spread over 10 years...
Other international companies operating in the lithium industry are giving DRC and therefore AVZ a wide berth. They know exactly what a mess this is.
Not even the US delegation is making any progress in the DRC, despite its massive support from the US government and Trump personally. It's highly unlikely any small Australian company will succeed either.
No Australian company or corporation has ever managed to gain a foothold in the world, or rather, outside of Australia. The Australian mentality isn't suited for it. They're simply too laid-back and unmotivated for the global market. This, coupled with highly corrupt officials in the DRC, is a recipe for disaster.
Ferguson and his associates have been acting completely amateurishly in this whole situation for months, even years.
Conclusion: You have the USA (a global power), DLA Piper (an absolute top company in such cases), CATL (a world leader in lithium), and a dozen influential shareholders on board, yet you're not making any progress at all; it feels like the whole thing is just winding down. How do you expect to convince anyone that anything worthwhile will come of this? Just face reality and the facts.
Chancen1904
Emerged
By now these actors could well relaxed sit back and count their money!!!! (from our operation!) But they chose otherwise. Bring justice!
Victor Lee
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'... yet you're not making any progress at all'
If you were a holder it would be 'we're not'.
Your lie about holding means that you are a liar.
Go back to Beijing
Honestly its such a poor effort. It really doesn't warrant a reply.
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