AVZ Discussion 2022

For those not fluent in legalese:

The updates on July 31, 2025, in the ICSID arbitration case AVZ vs DRC, indicate two significant procedural developments initiated by the Respondent (Democratic Republic of Congo):

1. "The Respondent files observations on the Claimants’ request for provisional measures."
– This means that the DRC has submitted its formal response or commentary on the Claimants’ earlier request for provisional measures (filed on June 24, 2025). Provisional measures are temporary orders requested to preserve the parties' rights or prevent harm during the arbitration process (e.g., freezing assets, halting certain actions).


2. "The Respondent files a request for security for costs."
– This indicates that the DRC is asking the Tribunal to order AVZ (the Claimants) to provide financial security (e.g., a bank guarantee or payment into escrow). This is typically requested when the Respondent is concerned that the Claimants may not be able to pay legal costs if they lose the case. It's a protective step often seen in investor-state disputes.

Together, these filings show the DRC is actively defending itself by:

Challenging the Claimants' provisional requests, and

Seeking financial assurances in case it prevails and is awarded legal costs.
 
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hedrox

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So here we go....welcome to the bidding war! Kobold Mining, other American company, CATH, Zijin or RIO TINTO.....
all with big deep pockets.....PAY UP OR GO HOME
AVZ holds the Aces...show us the money and we walk the talk

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FatCatz

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Kobold may have opened itself up to legal battle. If they honestly tried to neglect AVZ position as the rightful owner of the Manono deposit and backstories way via the DRC government. It has provided AVZ with a huge lever for fair value. We could take the company to Court in a similar manner that’s currently playing out in the ISCID.

12 bucks to drop all cases. IMO.
 
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For those not fluent in legalese:

The updates on July 31, 2025, in the ICSID arbitration case AVZ vs DRC, indicate two significant procedural developments initiated by the Respondent (Democratic Republic of Congo):

1. "The Respondent files observations on the Claimants’ request for provisional measures."
– This means that the DRC has submitted its formal response or commentary on the Claimants’ earlier request for provisional measures (filed on June 24, 2025). Provisional measures are temporary orders requested to preserve the parties' rights or prevent harm during the arbitration process (e.g., freezing assets, halting certain actions).


2. "The Respondent files a request for security for costs."
– This indicates that the DRC is asking the Tribunal to order AVZ (the Claimants) to provide financial security (e.g., a bank guarantee or payment into escrow). This is typically requested when the Respondent is concerned that the Claimants may not be able to pay legal costs if they lose the case. It's a protective step often seen in investor-state disputes.

Together, these filings show the DRC is actively defending itself by:

Challenging the Claimants' provisional requests, and

Seeking financial assurances in case it prevails and is awarded legal costs.
For those not fluent in legalese:

The updates on July 31, 2025, in the ICSID arbitration case AVZ vs DRC, indicate two significant procedural developments initiated by the Respondent (Democratic Republic of Congo):

1. "The Respondent files observations on the Claimants’ request for provisional measures."
– This means that the DRC has submitted its formal response or commentary on the Claimants’ earlier request for provisional measures (filed on June 24, 2025). Provisional measures are temporary orders requested to preserve the parties' rights or prevent harm during the arbitration process (e.g., freezing assets, halting certain actions).


2. "The Respondent files a request for security for costs."
– This indicates that the DRC is asking the Tribunal to order AVZ (the Claimants) to provide financial security (e.g., a bank guarantee or payment into escrow). This is typically requested when the Respondent is concerned that the Claimants may not be able to pay legal costs if they lose the case. It's a protective step often seen in investor-state disputes.

Together, these filings show the DRC is actively defending itself by:

Challenging the Claimants' provisional requests, and

Seeking financial assurances in case it prevails and is awarded legal costs.
This is the normal stalling tactics from the DRC team, they have ignored ICSID instructions, they are refusing to pay a fine imposed by the ICC.

One could ask why now asking for security and the response could be "The moment you stop ignoring ICSID instructions we will take note of your concerns".

With their behaviour, they are not in a position to make extra demands.
 
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So here we go....welcome to the bidding war! Kobold Mining, other American company, CATH, Zijin or RIO TINTO.....
all with big deep pockets.....PAY UP OR GO HOME
AVZ holds the Aces...show us the money and we walk the talk

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The way I interpret the current DRC/USA comments, the article and Nigel's comments is that AVZ sell it to the Highest US bidder or continue Arbitration with funding from Cath. I don't think the DRC will allow Cath or a Chinese entity to have Roche Dure as they need to US Commerical agreement
 
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zeeko

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Just a quick note of thanks and appreciation to those who take the time to share their knowledge, expertise, and information here. I have little experience in investment and stocks so have stayed out of the conversation in the 5+ years since buying into AVZ, but have found the research and interpretations posted here quite helpful. It's been quite the saga, which it appears is approaching fruition, and am looking forward to George Clooney's performance in the series.

I will also note that as a shareholder, I've been dismayed at how some seem to consider themselves as spokespeople for the shareholder base and espouse racist, defamatory, entitled, and hateful remarks here and across other platforms. While some of these values are often spoken the loudest, I would hope others agree that they do not best represent those of the larger AVZ shareholder base.
 
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tolate

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FLIGHT SAID

Despite its carefully worded motherhood statements and virtue-signalling bullshit about fair value, it seems that KoBold's fair value is merely a euphemism for ripping off 21,000 investors simply because it is rich and powerful.
KoBold is foolish to risk losing the lithium prize of the century.


Gee a bit confused now ONE minute, KOBOLD US AVZ saviour and going to PAY BILLIONS for AVZ as stated by other S H..!
Now these certain posters S H, have changed their TUNE...LMAO...!
NOW They approve of ZIJIN and the CHINESE taking over the whole project...imo...OMG

Thanks FLIGHT for your outlook...!...imo
 

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BEISHA

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Hey fuckwit, where have I stated that I deserve “VIP Treatment” you fucking clown?!

Maybe if you took half a second to read my last couple of posts, you’d have an understanding of where I’m coming from but of course you don’t cause you’re one of those low IQ old fucks with your head squarely up your arse… Hope you understand.. Peanut!
Where is the decency and respect in that post ?

Double standards 101.

You should of been more involved in the chats to gain a bit of trust.

Too risky to include randoms from this thread now........its been invaded by scum.
 
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BEISHA

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And that, my friend, is how these cunts get rich. Squeeze the life out of everyone else beneath them and short change the little guy.
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tolate

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Speculation is just that...!!!!
Until AVZ support any sort of offer ,stop jumping up and down..!!..lol
AVZ have asked for a price, no one has stepped up to the PLATE..imo
 

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Ashlee

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Just a quick note of thanks and appreciation to those who take the time to share their knowledge, expertise, and information here. I have little experience in investment and stocks so have stayed out of the conversation in the 5+ years since buying into AVZ, but have found the research and interpretations posted here quite helpful. It's been quite the saga, which it appears is approaching fruition, and am looking forward to George Clooney's performance in the series.

I will also note that as a shareholder, I've been dismayed at how some seem to consider themselves as spokespeople for the shareholder base and espouse racist, defamatory, entitled, and hateful remarks here and across other platforms. While some of these values are often spoken the loudest, I would hope others agree that they do not best represent those of the larger AVZ shareholder base.
Together with sexist.
 
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Panther22

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If the US Government is concerned with Lithium supply and the Chinese going forward maybe they can become a partner with Kobold or at least a lender so that a fair and decent offer can be made to AVZ. Otherwise they may miss out altogether.
I am waiting for the ICSID dates to be published. Full steam ahead with those hearings so all our cards are on the table as to where we stand and what it will take to get it off us.
 
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FLIGHT SAID

Despite its carefully worded motherhood statements and virtue-signalling bullshit about fair value, it seems that KoBold's fair value is merely a euphemism for ripping off 21,000 investors simply because it is rich and powerful.
KoBold is foolish to risk losing the lithium prize of the century.


Gee a bit confused now ONE minute, KOBOLD US AVZ saviour and going to PAY BILLIONS for AVZ as stated by other S H..!
Now these certain posters S H, have changed their TUNE...LMAO...!
NOW They approve of ZIJIN and the CHINESE taking over the whole project...imo...OMG

Thanks FLIGHT for your outlook...!...imo
Hey Tolate, thanks for the all the comments on AVZ mate, it would be fantastic to meet down the local pub and have a chat with you and your mates. Just let all the AVZ crew know where and when!
 
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In the DRC, Chinese and American companies race for lithium​

By Guillaume Jan (Manono (Democratic Republic of Congo), special correspondent)Published yesterday at 8:00 pm (Paris)
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In the southeast of the Democratic Republic of Congo, the city of Manono sits atop the world's largest reserves of this mineral essential to the energy transition. A Chinese group signed the first contract there in 2022, followed this year by a California-based company.
The sun had been up for less than an hour, and already a multitude of artisanal miners – known locally as "diggers" – were already hard at work in the maze of pits at the Kitololo quarry. Wearing rubber boots or simple sandals, armed with shovels and crowbars, hundreds of men, women and sometimes children tirelessly search underground for traces of coltan and cassiterite.

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"The quarry expands every month," said Floribert (who did not wish to give his last name), 21, one of the miners. "Last year, there were fields here, we grew rice and sweet potatoes. But people prefer to dig, since we get paid immediately for the ore we collect and roughly sift. On good days, we can earn more than 35,000 Congolese francs [about €10]."

One kilometer away, at the foot of the majestic Manono Cathedral in the center of this city of about 180,000 people, Father Moïse Kiluba, a staunch defender of his parishioners' rights, assessed the situation: "Minerals make a lot of people dream. There is strong demand for coltan and cassiterite, essential components of the digital revolution that has come with the widespread use of mobile phones. And more and more, people are talking about our lithium deposits, which are drawing the attention of the world's major powers. First China, and now the United States."

A glimmer of hope​

Located in the southeast of the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), Manono was a major mining center in the 20th century. It fell into deep decline starting in 1982, when Belgian managers running the tin operations left, abandoning their opulent homes, processing plants and several massive slag heaps. The once-model city's infrastructure gradually deteriorated, poverty took hold and residents clung to the coltan and cassiterite they could still glean from the old tin-rich quarries.

A miner shows a handful of earth and rock containing cassiterite and coltan, in Manono, DRC, on May 20, 2025.


A miner shows a handful of earth and rock containing cassiterite and coltan, in Manono, DRC, on May 20, 2025. GWENN DUBOURTHOUMIEU
Then, a glimmer of hope reemerged in 2020 when Australian company AVZ Minerals revealed that the city was built atop more than 44 million metric tons of lithium concentrated at 1.65% (16.5 kilograms of ore per metric ton of earth) – the largest known hard-rock lithium reserve in the world. Just as this vital battery component for solar panels, computers, smartphones and electric cars was cementing its essential role in the energy transition, Manono was back on the global negotiating table.

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China was the first to show interest through the Zijin Mining Group (already present in the DRC, notably at Kamoa-Kakula, the country's largest copper mine, near Kolwezi). Since 2022, the company has signed an operating contract; created a subsidiary called Manono Lithium dedicated to extracting this new "white gold"; started work to refurbish the road leading to the major city of Lubumbashi, 600 kilometers south; and opened another road that will reach Lake Tanganyika at the border with Tanzania, 300 kilometers east. The Chinese company also restored the first turbine at the Mpiana Mwanga hydroelectric plant, which had been idle since 1998, and has begun building a massive industrial complex for extraction.

"We plan to begin operations in June 2026," announced Jian Heyuan, the CEO, from his office set up in a shipping container at the back of the lot where the future administrative and executive buildings will stand. "We will then open the first Congolese lithium extraction project."

A promising deposit​

But the US has already been positioning itself to gain access to this promising deposit. After attempting to secure mineral rights in Greenland and then Ukraine during the first months of his new presidential term, Donald Trump suddenly turned his attention to Africa and the "deals" he could strike there. His ambition is clear: to reestablish an American presence in a part of the world where China has rapidly taken hold over the past three decades, in order to secure access to strategic minerals for the US to remain competitive in the energy transition economy.
In Malata, a former workers' area for Géomines and then Zaïre Etain, residents dig even beneath their own homes in search of cassiterite and coltan. As extraction continues, some houses have partially collapsed, putting the families living there at risk. Manono, May 20, 2025.


In Malata, a former workers' area for Géomines and then Zaïre Etain, residents dig even beneath their own homes in search of cassiterite and coltan. As extraction continues, some houses have partially collapsed, putting the families living there at risk. Manono, May 20, 2025. GWENN DUBOURTHOUMIEU


On June 27, Trump scored his first diplomatic success by securing a peace agreement between the DRC and Rwanda. For Washington, the terms of the treaty essentially amounted to access to Congolese natural resources, in exchange for diplomatic and security support aimed at ending the 30-year conflict.

This was a first step toward reopening the way for American investment in the now-strategic field of mineral access, as the Manono deposit is one of the main sites targeted by Americans in the DRC (along with the Rubaya coltan mine in North Kivu and the Lobito Corridor, a long railway designed to facilitate mineral exports through Angola's Atlantic coast – in the opposite direction from China).

In May, California-based mining company KoBold Metals announced that it was ready to invest more than $1 billion (about €865 million) to develop lithium extraction in Manono. On July 17, it confirmed this initial commitment by signing a memorandum of understanding to start lithium mining there and, more broadly, to launch a large-scale exploration program in the DRC, using artificial intelligence to identify the best deposits.

At the Manono Mining Office, a dusty room with boarded-up windows, the local representative of the Ministry of Mines, Jean Kimbasenga, tried to remain philosophical. "For now, we're waiting for industrial operations to arrive," said the cheerful man in his 40s, wearing a cowboy hat. "Until they do, unemployment will continue to run rampant."

Corruption and cronyism​

Three hundred meters away, at the foot of the cathedral, Father Kiluba was less optimistic. He admitted to being skeptical about government policies, which, he said, "still do not meet the people's expectations, starting with basic infrastructure such as schools, medical care, water, electricity and roads." He also condemned the corruption and cronyism of the country's leaders who, in his view, "clearly favored" the arrival of Zijin Mining. He cited a 2022 report by the General Inspectorate of Finance that condemned the "sell-off" of DRC assets in this transaction. The public institution estimated the loss to the Congolese state at more than $120 million.
Workers from Manono Lithium work on the construction site of an electrical transformer that will power the lithium processing plant under construction in Manono, May 22, 2025.
Workers from Manono Lithium work on the construction site of an electrical transformer that will power the lithium processing plant under construction in Manono, May 22, 2025. GWENN DUBOURTHOUMIEU

In the courtyard of the local radio station Trait d'Union, journalist Dieumerci Kabila (not related to former president Joseph Kabila) was also concerned: "Manono risks being negatively affected by industrial mining. The jobs now being offered by Manono Lithium pay less than the Congolese minimum wage, which is 14,500 francs per day. And the specifications listing the companies' social and environmental commitments to local communities have still not been released, even though they should have been made public over a year ago, according to the mining code. Politicians are seizing all the benefits from mining, while civil society is being shut out."

The race for Congolese lithium is now playing out in a context reminiscent of the 19th-century gold rush, with one key difference: Two superpowers are now vying for control of the world's most strategic minerals.
 
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Hey Tolate, thanks for the all the comments on AVZ mate, it would be fantastic to meet down the local pub and have a chat with you and your mates. Just let all the AVZ crew know where and when!
DeBoss can give him a headbutt this time around.

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Go missing for two months and shits give downhill on here again...

Hope all us poor avz bastards are doing well... hopefully nige and co can bring it home soon enough
 
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