AVZ Discussion 2022

RHyNO

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Bunch of goddamn over leveraged cowboys here. What happened to responsible investing?? Did your government create an economic environment in which your only choice was to heavily risk yourself on stocks they tax so they could benifit the ruling classes realestate investments with tax concessions while failing to offer even a fraction of protection on a fundamentally algorithmic rigged stock exchange, all the while raising prices on standard goods through a duopoly of supermarkets, all the while failing to charge international corporations for the commodities taken from the ground beneath you, all the while reminding you it is indeed not your ground but that of an indigenous race who are the only true owners of everything you have or ever will have. I mean jeez!!!
 
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hedrox

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While we are waiting on the negotiation table sitting the trend is our friend....Lithium price up more than 10% in the last 2 weeks....Happy waiting while the price of Lithium is going up up up up.....
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kulturica

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This is the first time I have seen the AVZ account like a LinkedIn post.

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I love playing chess— Of course, I’m a bit rusty, as I clearly missed a few moves before the suspension kicked in 🤪
That said, what KoBold is doing makes perfect sense to me. If I was trying to solve this problem, their approach is probably the most effective way to do it.
Their likely plan is to first secure the mining licence and then compensate AVZ. Imagine doing it the other way around—paying AVZ compensation upfront and then praying that the notoriously corrupt DRC government doesn’t hand the licence over to the Chinese. Especially when the minerals deal in Trump’s office hasn’t even been signed yet. By locking in the licence first, KoBold wipes out any remaining competition. I suspect that once the licence is granted, they’ll promptly announce a joint venture with Rio Tinto. I’d guess that Rio has already told KoBold they wouldn’t flinch even if AVZ asks for $5–6 billion USD (worst-case scenario for them)—it’s still a bargain for Rio, considering they’ll be selling lithium for the next 50 years. Meanwhile, KoBold secures critical lithium supply for the U.S., gains access to a massive area to explore with its AI tools, and firmly establishes itself as a major global player. Once AVZ receives fair compensation, we will drop all legal action. Legally speaking, KoBold hasn’t done anything wrong—as long as we don’t go all the way through ICSID or ICC. There’s a clear sense of urgency here. My feeling is that the U.S. wants this resolved and ready to announce once the minerals deal is signed in Trump’s office. I can’t imagine KoBold receiving a licence while Trump unveils a “huuuuge” lithium deal that’s still under international legal dispute. Looking at KoBold’s public messaging—especially their joint letter with AVZ and commitment to fair compensation—this feels like a carefully planned chess match. Shareholders have every reason to be anxious, given what we’ve been through, but I believe we’re very close to the finish line. KoBold’s path is risky—even though I think it’s the only viable one—but it puts us in a strong position to negotiate the final payout. If AVZ were to reject their offer and proceed with ICSID, KoBold would lose legal title—and face full liability. The same risk applies to Zijin in the northern tenement. I just can’t see KoBold taking that chance.
What I’m not sure about is whether AVZ’s recent statements reflect the legal team’s caution, or whether AVZ genuinely doesn’t have insight into the strategic “chess moves” KoBold is executing. I’m sure the AVZ team doesn’t enjoy being sidelined—especially as KoBold prepares to take control of a licence that should rightfully belong to us. Still, being the final piece of the puzzle may actually place us in the strongest position yet.
The downside? There won’t be a bidding war. But if KoBold wants this to work, they’ll need to act fast and pay a fair price. For KoBold and Rio the logic is simple: if you're asking $9–10 billion USD through the courts, you'd likely accept $5–6 billion USD now
If it all plays out this way, here’s the question: why would we pay 30% corporate tax to the DRC if under their own law, we don’t own anything? No project, no licence, no recognised asset. Yet I still have a feeling that the Australian government will still find a way to take 30% of our “fair compensation”—plus tax on our personal profits.
Also, just for fun, I like reading through Celestin's nonsense, so my translation of his latest tweet where he praises KoBold is " I am delighted how much KoBold is offering to pay me for 15% that AVZ had rights of first refusal "

Good luck, everyone!
 
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hedrox

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This are the words of a Supreme Court and High court lawyer.....

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Skar

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Bit of a Tangent: My hypothesis is that china has been massively subsidising lithium (local lepidolite 0.2% rubbish) to establish domination of the global (EV) automative industry. I think they have done this now and are looking at removing those subsidies, under the guise of the environmental impacts and permitting irregularities (and its obviously not economical to keep it going).

I think this would explain the past months movement and hopefully signal a broader recovery supply/demand correction as the true underlying value of projects is transparently reflected in the market.

https://www.mining-technology.com/news/zangge-mining-production-halt/

https://source.benchmarkminerals.co...in-yichun-jiangxi-found-to-have-permit-issues

https://discoveryalert.com.au/news/chinas-lithium-giants-stumble-2025-market-crisis/
 
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hedrox

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Check out the US lithium market last night....LITHIUM is hot like chips !
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This are the words of a Supreme Court and High court lawyer.....

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Tbh, that reads very much like LLM generated rather than a human supreme court lawyer... "According to financial news sources" "according to mining publications" do not hold up in the court of law lol
 
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Bunch of goddamn over leveraged cowboys here. What happened to responsible investing?? Did your government create an economic environment in which your only choice was to heavily risk yourself on stocks they tax so they could benifit the ruling classes realestate investments with tax concessions while failing to offer even a fraction of protection on a fundamentally algorithmic rigged stock exchange, all the while raising prices on standard goods through a duopoly of supermarkets, all the while failing to charge international corporations for the commodities taken from the ground beneath you, all the while reminding you it is indeed not your ground but that of an indigenous race who are the only true owners of everything you have or ever will have. I mean jeez!!!
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protoje

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Someone give us a wink. A sideways head nod. Anything for some hopium. It’s getting fkn depressing. No wonder we’re all turning to binge drinking. Except for you Wino if you’re still on the dry.
 
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Chase

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Someone give us a wink. A sideways head nod. Anything for some hopium. It’s getting fkn depressing. No wonder we’re all turning to binge drinking. Except for you Wino if you’re still on the dry.
Just Jag AVZ hottie would do
 
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Skar

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Someone give us a wink. A sideways head nod. Anything for some hopium. It’s getting fkn depressing. No wonder we’re all turning to binge drinking. Except for you Wino if you’re still on the dry.
I think we need another 30 day countdown from that Australian Article supposedly when AVZ want this wrapped up.... nothing like an arbitrary clock.
 
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Xerof

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I think we need another 30 day countdown from that Australian Article supposedly when AVZ want this wrapped up.... nothing like an arbitrary clock.
Our countdown clocker is on holiday :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
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Hemicuda

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I think we need another 30 day countdown from that Australian Article supposedly when AVZ want this wrapped up.... nothing like an arbitrary clock.
no more countdowns depressing as fuck
 
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Samus

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I think we need another 30 day countdown from that Australian Article supposedly when AVZ want this wrapped up.... nothing like an arbitrary clock.
Trouble is that article seems to be a patchwork of half truths and bullshit with a few random figures mixed in (most likely wrong). It read like my toilet paper in the mornings. :poop:
 
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marksmann007

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IMO kobold will still make an offer to AVZ but are trying to ring fence RD for kobold only via DRC gov now various other parties are in discussions with AVZ. An arrogant & selfish move from kobold in an effort to curb a bidding war IMO.
 
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Samus

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IMO kobold will still make an offer to AVZ but are trying to ring fence RD for kobold only via DRC gov now various other parties are in discussions with AVZ. An arrogant & selfish move from kobold in an effort to curb a bidding war IMO.
Agreed, I also think they'll have to come pretty close to matching any offer or risk losing it. They've hopefully shot themselves in the foot at the same time as trying to stich this up.
 
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Pokok

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Someone give us a wink. A sideways head nod. Anything for some hopium. It’s getting fkn depressing. No wonder we’re all turning to binge drinking. Except for you Wino if you’re still on the dry.
I never binge drink , I drink every day for 3.5 years
 
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