AVZ Discussion 2022

Perhaps KoBold are looking at loaning all or part of $6.2b USD for the acquisition on top of investing their own $1b for development
Is 6.2B a number that was mentioned in the meeting?
Carlos, do you have an information source for the $6.2 billion loan that you have mentioned?
Key word is perhaps

$6.2b USD is how much AVZ is claiming at the ICSID for the destruction in value for its 75% holding in Dathcom

KoBold have a valuation of $3b USD and far less than that in the bank. So they will either need to raise or borrow to pay anything near actual appropriate compensation.

I don’t think we will get the full $6.2b USD but according to DLA Piper and me both working it out separately that is exactly how much our share of the project is worth
 
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Key word is perhaps

$6.2b USD is how much AVZ is claiming at the ICSID for the destruction in value for its 75% holding in Dathcom

KoBold have a valuation of $3b USD and far less than that in the bank. So they will either need to raise or borrow to pay anything near actual appropriate compensation.

I don’t think we will get the full $6.2b USD but according to DLA Piper and me both working it out separately that is exactly how much our share of the project is worth
Kobold val at $3b USD gives us approx $1.30 . So from there wouldn't take much to push it above ATH and clear us of any legal BS aftermath . Maybe some truth to this $1.50ish that's floating around ?
 
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Let’s be clear — USD $6.2 billion isn’t some aspirational number. It’s AVZ’s formal ICSID claim, backed by DLA Piper — one of the world’s top legal firms — and reflects the fair market value of AVZ’s 75% stake in one of the largest undeveloped lithium projects on the planet. That’s the floor, not the ceiling.

KoBold’s $3B valuation is irrelevant. If they want Roche Dure, they’ll need to raise or borrow. The project’s value isn’t limited by what’s in KoBold’s bank account. And with US strategic backing and security guarantees now in place, the old sovereign risk discount no longer applies — if anything, DLA’s valuation is conservative.

Let’s not forget — shareholders have had their capital locked up and the company delisted, all under the premise of protecting shareholder value. We’ve been told time and time again that AVZ expects to win at ICSID and ICC. For management to now turn around and accept a lowball offer would be a complete betrayal of everything we’ve been led to believe.

It’s also clear that those pushing for a quick, cheap exit are mostly early holders. But many retail investors came in later, off the back of AVZ’s own guidance and public assurances. They stand to lose the most if this is wrapped up below fair value — and they won’t just cop it quietly.

There are also serious tax implications to consider. Depending on how any payout is structured — whether it’s a dividend, a buyback, or a liquidation — late-in investors could lose even more if it denies them access to the CGT discount. If the structure isn’t handled correctly, the ATO will take a much bigger bite — and that alone could trigger legal action.

A deal at $6B+ brings this to a clean close — and even at that level, KoBold is walking away with the deal of the century. With the scale of the resource and the long-term upside, they’ll still make more money than God.
 
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I am starting to get confused by all the numbers. Is the 6.2B for the loss of value 75% of north/south (the original project)?

I still can't reconcile how Cominiere can break off the north and form a separate JV with Zijin AND still maintain a 25% stake in the south... which would mean AVZ have 100% of south and 0% of north and from my reckoning is the only real basis of why AVZ would entertain China keeping north and AVZ keeping south (and selling to US).

I am guessing thats part of the framework that will need to be agreed to by DRC.
 
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All we can do is wait and see what AVZ announces.

The rest is just noise. Good luck to all LTH, not long now in the grand scheme of things.
 
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And another one
 
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I am starting to get confused by all the numbers. Is the 6.2B for the loss of value 75% of north/south (the original project)?

I still can't reconcile how Cominiere can break off the north and form a separate JV with Zijin AND still maintain a 25% stake in the south... which would mean AVZ have 100% of south and 0% of north and from my reckoning is the only real basis of why AVZ would entertain China keeping north and AVZ keeping south (and selling to US).

I am guessing thats part of the framework that will need to be agreed to by DRC.
I see it as between ISCID & ICC disputes we are seeking return of ownership over the whole lot, for the 75% + option to purchase the additional 10% that we should've had in the first place. $6.2B+ is for a buyout of the entire thing from Kobold. If they then want to cede the north, give 10% of the south to DRC, and whatever tf else they want to do, that's on them. But we're going through the courts to go back to where we should have been prior to suspension, before the tenement was illegally split.

We need to be paid and compensated for the whole thing, and that's what we should be seeking fair value for. Whoever takes over after that can do whatever tf they want, but "fair compensation" needs to be for the whole thing.
 
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Imma need about tree-fiddy.
 
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I see it as between ISCID & ICC disputes we are seeking return of ownership over the whole lot, for the 75% + option to purchase the additional 10% that we should've had in the first place. $6.2B+ is for a buyout of the entire thing from Kobold. If they then want to cede the north, give 10% of the south to DRC, and whatever tf else they want to do, that's on them. But we're going through the courts to go back to where we should have been prior to suspension, before the tenement was illegally split.

We need to be paid and compensated for the whole thing, and that's what we should be seeking fair value for. Whoever takes over after that can do whatever tf they want, but "fair compensation" needs to be for the whole thing.
Kobold Metals plans to list on the NYSE
What value would that present with Mining from Manono at a scale of 10 MTPA.
Their return on investment T/O of AVZ would be Paid back very quickly.
IMO Bezos/ Gates do not having an issue with finding the funds for a fair valuation .
Maybe a royalty from Kobold Metals may be positive for shareholders but would rather be completely out of the DRC.
 
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Hello all, I took notes during the entire conferance and used good old reliable Grok to summarize what i wrote, enjoy!

KoBold Metals’ Plans (Jennifer Fendrick):
KoBold aims to quote- “enter the DRC in a big way,” leveraging her prior U.S. State Department experience with the DRC. She highlighted KoBold’s Zambia copper project (90% local staff) as a model for community investment and confirmed KoBold will send a team to DRC Mining Week, held in the DRC. Fendrick also noted a potential KoBold IPO in a few years, with shares issued to employees and a possible DRC listing.

The DRC has a stock exchange? I'm keen to find out if there's a local manufacturer of paper bags, and invest heavily in that company.
 
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The DRC has a stock exchange? I'm keen to find out if there's a local manufacturer of paper bags, and invest heavily in that company.


I might short their pineapple industry, looks like it might take a big hit in the coming months 🍍
 
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i thought the 6.2bn was loss of value in terms of damages/loss progress/revenues etc. not the actual deposit?
 
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Kobold Metals plans to list on the NYSE
What value would that present with Mining from Manono at a scale of 10 MTPA.
Their return on investment T/O of AVZ would be Paid back very quickly.
IMO Bezos/ Gates do not having an issue with finding the funds for a fair valuation .
Maybe a royalty from Kobold Metals may be positive for shareholders but would rather be completely out of the DRC.
Bezos just sold 5B worth of stock didn’t he?
He cashed up to chip in for Manono
 
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Let’s be clear — USD $6.2 billion isn’t some aspirational number. It’s AVZ’s formal ICSID claim, backed by DLA Piper — one of the world’s top legal firms — and reflects the fair market value of AVZ’s 75% stake in one of the largest undeveloped lithium projects on the planet. That’s the floor, not the ceiling.

KoBold’s $3B valuation is irrelevant. If they want Roche Dure, they’ll need to raise or borrow. The project’s value isn’t limited by what’s in KoBold’s bank account. And with US strategic backing and security guarantees now in place, the old sovereign risk discount no longer applies — if anything, DLA’s valuation is conservative.

Let’s not forget — shareholders have had their capital locked up and the company delisted, all under the premise of protecting shareholder value. We’ve been told time and time again that AVZ expects to win at ICSID and ICC. For management to now turn around and accept a lowball offer would be a complete betrayal of everything we’ve been led to believe.

It’s also clear that those pushing for a quick, cheap exit are mostly early holders. But many retail investors came in later, off the back of AVZ’s own guidance and public assurances. They stand to lose the most if this is wrapped up below fair value — and they won’t just cop it quietly.

There are also serious tax implications to consider. Depending on how any payout is structured — whether it’s a dividend, a buyback, or a liquidation — late-in investors could lose even more if it denies them access to the CGT discount. If the structure isn’t handled correctly, the ATO will take a much bigger bite — and that alone could trigger legal action.

A deal at $6B+ brings this to a clean close — and even at that level, KoBold is walking away with the deal of the century. With the scale of the resource and the long-term upside, they’ll still make more money than God.
Let's be clear, $6.2 billion is not what AVZ values Manono at.

Let's also be clear that in the absence of any official numbers, FROM AVZ ONLY, everything else is BS designed to lower the price.

If KoBold, or anybody else, are serious players at a fair price, then they need to name that fair price.
 
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Bezos just sold 5B worth of stock didn’t he?
He cashed up to chip in for Manono
He filed with a 12 month window to get it done, but doesn’t mean he hasn’t done it already
 
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Bezos just sold 5B worth of stock didn’t he?
He cashed up to chip in for Manono
Chip in.
AKA paying his share, not the total price.
 
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Bezos just sold 5B worth of stock didn’t he?
He cashed up to chip in for Manono



Jeff Bezos, the founder of Amazon, has disclosed a plan to sell up to 25 million shares of Amazon stock, potentially worth around $4.8 billion. This plan, revealed in a regulatory filing, is scheduled to conclude by May 29, 2026. The move comes at a time when Amazon is navigating global trade dynamics and tariff concerns. Bezos's decision to sell shares is structured under a pre-arranged trading plan to avoid insider trading accusations.
 
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Bezos just sold 5B worth of stock didn’t he?
He cashed up to chip in for Manono
Gates is going to give away 140billion, where do we sign?
 
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i thought the 6.2bn was loss of value in terms of damages/loss progress/revenues etc. not the actual deposit?
That point has been made many times, by you, me and many others.
$6.2 bn is just part of Bezos pumping smoke out of his rs and mirrors.
 
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I'm sure they will finance a lot of what's needed, these guys never dish out their own money directly if they don't have to
 
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