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AVZ Discussion 2022
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DiscoDanNZ
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It's actually scary how much I can decipher French thanks to these last few years of being butt fucked by this. I'm sure a lot of others here are the same.
Thanks for worrying about me Polok however there is really no need.
See, I think the difference between a keyboard warrior / lurker and me is…..most here have actually met me and know me.
All the best
Good to see you are still around lurking in the shadows!
A few of us might be getting together for a beer in Freo when I'm over on Friday 21/2 if your keen mate
Mute22
Regular
For the first time in a long while, it feels like all we have to do is wait..
Tommy’s quiet, Shane and the shitpost crew are losing their minds, MMGA are tucking their greasy gold chains beneath their legs, CominiereSA is scrambling to spin stories about a hydro plant while not understanding how magnets even work, and Beijing Joe is out. Meanwhile, America-First Trump is on the verge of taking office with his EV loving butt buddy.
Can you feel it?
We’re finally in the driver’s seat. The ball is in their court. The DRC now faces a choice: either come to the table and negotiate in good faith, bringing both Chinese and Western investment to accelerate a globally significant project, one that could also fulfill their vision of creating a major battery hub with the world’s largest player backing it or they risk facing the consequences. Logically, what option would you choose?
The reality is, we have the funding and the backing to see this through. Many of us have been waiting for this moment for years. We’ve advocated, we’ve endured, and we’re no longer willing to be played with. If it takes another decade to get what’s rightfully ours, so be it. If necessary, we’ll go all the way, through the courts, through every channel available, and make sure Zijin and the DRC are held accountable for the games they’ve been playing. We won’t let them get away with it even if it means every cent goes back to lawyers and we end up starting a pineapple farm.
Let’s not forget: the world is watching. China, the West, investors, and even the DRC itself everyone knows this is a pivotal moment in the battle to secure metals. The window of opportunity is closing fast, and they can either make a smart decision now, or they can pay the price later.
We’ve been patient, but our patience is running out. Every day that passes brings us closer to a showdown they can't run from. If they think they can drag this out, they’re sorely mistaken. If they think they can get away with breaking their cotnracts, they’re in for a rude awakening. This isn’t just about a single project anymore, this is about proving that integrity matters, that international law means something, and that we won’t back down from corruption.
I’m sure an ultimatum has already been issued. With February looming, the pressure’s on. It’s up to them now, either they join the winning team , or they’ll need to start buying expensive Scotch to try and lawyer willing to defend these scumbags in an open-and-shut case.
Either way, it's time to face the music, and we're setting the playlist.
Tommy’s quiet, Shane and the shitpost crew are losing their minds, MMGA are tucking their greasy gold chains beneath their legs, CominiereSA is scrambling to spin stories about a hydro plant while not understanding how magnets even work, and Beijing Joe is out. Meanwhile, America-First Trump is on the verge of taking office with his EV loving butt buddy.
Can you feel it?
We’re finally in the driver’s seat. The ball is in their court. The DRC now faces a choice: either come to the table and negotiate in good faith, bringing both Chinese and Western investment to accelerate a globally significant project, one that could also fulfill their vision of creating a major battery hub with the world’s largest player backing it or they risk facing the consequences. Logically, what option would you choose?
The reality is, we have the funding and the backing to see this through. Many of us have been waiting for this moment for years. We’ve advocated, we’ve endured, and we’re no longer willing to be played with. If it takes another decade to get what’s rightfully ours, so be it. If necessary, we’ll go all the way, through the courts, through every channel available, and make sure Zijin and the DRC are held accountable for the games they’ve been playing. We won’t let them get away with it even if it means every cent goes back to lawyers and we end up starting a pineapple farm.
Let’s not forget: the world is watching. China, the West, investors, and even the DRC itself everyone knows this is a pivotal moment in the battle to secure metals. The window of opportunity is closing fast, and they can either make a smart decision now, or they can pay the price later.
We’ve been patient, but our patience is running out. Every day that passes brings us closer to a showdown they can't run from. If they think they can drag this out, they’re sorely mistaken. If they think they can get away with breaking their cotnracts, they’re in for a rude awakening. This isn’t just about a single project anymore, this is about proving that integrity matters, that international law means something, and that we won’t back down from corruption.
I’m sure an ultimatum has already been issued. With February looming, the pressure’s on. It’s up to them now, either they join the winning team , or they’ll need to start buying expensive Scotch to try and lawyer willing to defend these scumbags in an open-and-shut case.
Either way, it's time to face the music, and we're setting the playlist.
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JAG
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and @Ashlee !
Bray
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I think you will find that when we get closer to a resolution to our nightmare, then some of the " absentees" will come back to the flock.
I noticed some of the old comrades who were missing at HC for a fair while have returned once the restructured Cath deal had surfaced.
Of course many thanks to @Frank for his continued good work filling us all in on whats going on in the back ground !
Fuck Zijin!
Fuck Cominiere !
And of course Fuck FT you gutless cunt !
That is a farken on point article !FINALLY an article, I'll shut up about journalists (except that one) now I promise
Donald Trump Must Back Australia in the Fight for Strategic Metals
China is leveraging Congo’s corruption to dominate strategic metals vital for the global economy. Trump must support Australia’s mining efforts to counter Beijing.www.19fortyfive.com
Trillions - 19FortyFive
Donald Trump Must Back Australia in the Fight for Strategic Metals
By
Michael Rubin
Published
47 seconds ago
President of the United States Donald Trump speaking with attendees at the 2019 Student Action Summit hosted by Turning Point USA at the Palm Beach County Convention Center in West Palm Beach, Florida. Image by Gage Skidmore.
Trump Must Back Australian Miners Against Chinese Strategic Metal Predation: President-elect Donald Trump approaches his second term much differently than his first.
No longer is his goal disruption, both the Republican party and the U.S. bureaucracy more broadly. Whereas Trump achieved victories by getting NATO members to pony up their dues and achieving the Abraham Accords breakthrough, his greatest legacy might have been achieving bipartisan recognition that China was less a peer competitor whose cooperation might moderate and more a threat to the rules-based order.
Whereas the Supreme Court debates TikTok and China’s ambitions to conquer Taiwan if not other Pacific islands, strategic minerals fuels China’s drive. Here, the Democratic Republic of Congo is ground zero. If it were not for Congo’s endemic corruption, it could be the Qatar of Africa: Geologists and economists estimate that Congo’s mineral wealth could top $24 trillion. The country is the world’s leading producer of cobalt, a metal necessary to produce the batteries upon which most 21st century electronic depend and is also one of the world’s leading producers of copper. Add into the mix: uranium, gold, Germanium, lithium, diamonds, nickel, tantalum, and tin, crude oil, and coffee.
While U.S. companies are late to the game in Congo and have missed opportunities through their own passivity to expand their presence in the market, companies from U.S. allies like Australia have been fighting for the 21st century on the frontlines in Africa.
The Australian mining sector is huge. The skyscrapers of Perth shine with mining wealth, and the sector dominates West Australia’s economy and contributes to the country’s broader economy. Because China was one of the Australian mining largest markets, Australian politicians like former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd long frustrated their American counterparts with their permissiveness toward China.
Canberra, like Washington, may have been slow to gauge Beijing’s threat correctly, but many Australians have now learned the lesson. As China seeks to bribe and coerce Congo through illicit means to push Australian firms out of Congo’s mining sector, the Trump administration must defend Australia’s interests both diplomatically and with economic sanctions on Chinese firms. The logic of the Lobito corridor is to direct African trade westward into the Atlantic basin in order to better orient African trade away from China.
China, however, is fighting dirty to hamper Australian mining in Africa. Consider the case of AVZ Minerals, an Australian firm seeking to extract lithium and tin from Manono in southern Congo. Exploratory digging shows the lithium deposits in the region are huge. Colloquially, AVZ hit the motherlode.
But Congolese corruption, abetted by the People’s Republic of China, seek to deny them their contractual right. AVZ now has International Court of Arbitration cases pending before involving La Congolaise d’Exploitation Minière, Jin Cheng Mining Company, and Dathomir Mining Resources SARLU, and International Centre for Settlement of Investment Disputes against the Democratic Republic of Congo itself.
While AVZ does not seek to marginalize China entirely—economically it makes no sense for them to do so—they seek balance between East and West. China, however, rejects balance in favor of its own maximalist approach. It has corrupted at least 13 Congolese media outlets. Ten of millions of dollars held in escrow disappeared, a theft in which Chinese officials appear complicit. The Congolese government proceeded to arrest journalists pursuing the story. A March 2022 forensic investigation based on AVZ and Congolese documents showed hard evidence of Chinese bribery. Chinese mining interests fund “non-governmental organizations” whose sole purpose appears to be to undermine Australia’s interest. Congolese public companies also sold shares to Chinese firms at fire sale prices in contravention of the law in a scheme to quadruple personal profits for Congolese officials up to and including the prime minister.
Zijin and the Congolese government’s strategy appears to be economic attrition, to steal and filibuster until AVZ has no choice but to suspend operations and give up. Zijin’s latest strategy appears to be to stop paying arbitration costs in the hope the court ceases its work.
AVZ is just one case among many that exposes how Chinese interests leverage Congo’s corruption to try to corner the market in strategic metals. The nature of the U.S. intelligence, national security, and diplomatic bureaucracy is compartmentalized. Analysts spent their careers focused on the weeds, never getting to the trees let alone spotting the forest. While the National Security Council is supposed to coordinate, it seldom effectively pieces together disparate problems, especially when they span bureaucracies let alone continents.
Rather than just chalk up AVZ’s difficulties extracting lithium and tin from Congo, it is important to understand how Beijing takes a “whole of government” approach to harass and cheat competitors, and the general shenanigans in which they engage. Americans increasingly throw around the phrase “fake news” to discredit anything with which they disagree, the Congo dispute shows how China wholesale purchases and promotes fake stories in pursuit of its commercial monopolies and strategic interests.
If Trump seeks to counter China, it is essential he recognize the battle will not only be in the South China Sea and Taiwan Strait, but also in the Democratic Republic of Congo’s forests and mines, international arbitration courts, and the boardrooms of Australia.
Incoming Secretary of State Marco Rubio should direct diplomats in Kinshasa to spend more time in southern Congo where the action is. Rather than report on just another lunch with one cabinet minister or another, they should track their incomes and show up in various court proceedings to signal that Congo’s corruption will not proceed in the dark.
Australia might be on the frontline, but both the U.S. Departments of State and Commerce should signal that they see no even playing field; they will support allies and expect allied governments to support their own firms in the battle against Beijing’s interests.
If Beijing operates with such granularity, Trump, Rubio, and every other principal in the incoming U.S. administration must ask why the United States should not do so as well.
Look, i aint a trump fan, but i do know he will play hard ball with China, which is a good thing.. something ole mate Albanese can learn from rather than sucking Xi cock,
TheCount
Regular
That is one heck of an article and I urge everyone to take your time and read it…FINALLY an article, I'll shut up about journalists (except that one) now I promise
Donald Trump Must Back Australia in the Fight for Strategic Metals
China is leveraging Congo’s corruption to dominate strategic metals vital for the global economy. Trump must support Australia’s mining efforts to counter Beijing.
Trillions - 19FortyFive
Donald Trump Must Back Australia in the Fight for Strategic Metals
By
Michael Rubin
Published
47 seconds ago
President of the United States Donald Trump speaking with attendees at the 2019 Student Action Summit hosted by Turning Point USA at the Palm Beach County Convention Center in West Palm Beach, Florida. Image by Gage Skidmore.
Trump Must Back Australian Miners Against Chinese Strategic Metal Predation: President-elect Donald Trump approaches his second term much differently than his first.
No longer is his goal disruption, both the Republican party and the U.S. bureaucracy more broadly. Whereas Trump achieved victories by getting NATO members to pony up their dues and achieving the Abraham Accords breakthrough, his greatest legacy might have been achieving bipartisan recognition that China was less a peer competitor whose cooperation might moderate and more a threat to the rules-based order.
Whereas the Supreme Court debates TikTok and China’s ambitions to conquer Taiwan if not other Pacific islands, strategic minerals fuels China’s drive. Here, the Democratic Republic of Congo is ground zero. If it were not for Congo’s endemic corruption, it could be the Qatar of Africa: Geologists and economists estimate that Congo’s mineral wealth could top $24 trillion. The country is the world’s leading producer of cobalt, a metal necessary to produce the batteries upon which most 21st century electronic depend and is also one of the world’s leading producers of copper. Add into the mix: uranium, gold, Germanium, lithium, diamonds, nickel, tantalum, and tin, crude oil, and coffee.
While U.S. companies are late to the game in Congo and have missed opportunities through their own passivity to expand their presence in the market, companies from U.S. allies like Australia have been fighting for the 21st century on the frontlines in Africa.
The Australian mining sector is huge. The skyscrapers of Perth shine with mining wealth, and the sector dominates West Australia’s economy and contributes to the country’s broader economy. Because China was one of the Australian mining largest markets, Australian politicians like former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd long frustrated their American counterparts with their permissiveness toward China.
Canberra, like Washington, may have been slow to gauge Beijing’s threat correctly, but many Australians have now learned the lesson. As China seeks to bribe and coerce Congo through illicit means to push Australian firms out of Congo’s mining sector, the Trump administration must defend Australia’s interests both diplomatically and with economic sanctions on Chinese firms. The logic of the Lobito corridor is to direct African trade westward into the Atlantic basin in order to better orient African trade away from China.
China, however, is fighting dirty to hamper Australian mining in Africa. Consider the case of AVZ Minerals, an Australian firm seeking to extract lithium and tin from Manono in southern Congo. Exploratory digging shows the lithium deposits in the region are huge. Colloquially, AVZ hit the motherlode.
But Congolese corruption, abetted by the People’s Republic of China, seek to deny them their contractual right. AVZ now has International Court of Arbitration cases pending before involving La Congolaise d’Exploitation Minière, Jin Cheng Mining Company, and Dathomir Mining Resources SARLU, and International Centre for Settlement of Investment Disputes against the Democratic Republic of Congo itself.
While AVZ does not seek to marginalize China entirely—economically it makes no sense for them to do so—they seek balance between East and West. China, however, rejects balance in favor of its own maximalist approach. It has corrupted at least 13 Congolese media outlets. Ten of millions of dollars held in escrow disappeared, a theft in which Chinese officials appear complicit. The Congolese government proceeded to arrest journalists pursuing the story. A March 2022 forensic investigation based on AVZ and Congolese documents showed hard evidence of Chinese bribery. Chinese mining interests fund “non-governmental organizations” whose sole purpose appears to be to undermine Australia’s interest. Congolese public companies also sold shares to Chinese firms at fire sale prices in contravention of the law in a scheme to quadruple personal profits for Congolese officials up to and including the prime minister.
Zijin and the Congolese government’s strategy appears to be economic attrition, to steal and filibuster until AVZ has no choice but to suspend operations and give up. Zijin’s latest strategy appears to be to stop paying arbitration costs in the hope the court ceases its work.
AVZ is just one case among many that exposes how Chinese interests leverage Congo’s corruption to try to corner the market in strategic metals. The nature of the U.S. intelligence, national security, and diplomatic bureaucracy is compartmentalized. Analysts spent their careers focused on the weeds, never getting to the trees let alone spotting the forest. While the National Security Council is supposed to coordinate, it seldom effectively pieces together disparate problems, especially when they span bureaucracies let alone continents.
Rather than just chalk up AVZ’s difficulties extracting lithium and tin from Congo, it is important to understand how Beijing takes a “whole of government” approach to harass and cheat competitors, and the general shenanigans in which they engage. Americans increasingly throw around the phrase “fake news” to discredit anything with which they disagree, the Congo dispute shows how China wholesale purchases and promotes fake stories in pursuit of its commercial monopolies and strategic interests.
If Trump seeks to counter China, it is essential he recognize the battle will not only be in the South China Sea and Taiwan Strait, but also in the Democratic Republic of Congo’s forests and mines, international arbitration courts, and the boardrooms of Australia.
Incoming Secretary of State Marco Rubio should direct diplomats in Kinshasa to spend more time in southern Congo where the action is. Rather than report on just another lunch with one cabinet minister or another, they should track their incomes and show up in various court proceedings to signal that Congo’s corruption will not proceed in the dark.
Australia might be on the frontline, but both the U.S. Departments of State and Commerce should signal that they see no even playing field; they will support allies and expect allied governments to support their own firms in the battle against Beijing’s interests.
If Beijing operates with such granularity, Trump, Rubio, and every other principal in the incoming U.S. administration must ask why the United States should not do so as well.
Reports of arrests, USA lining up to assist….
2025 is going to be a good year.
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