AVZ Discussion 2022

Flight996

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Now I am depressed , I need a job in politics , time is not on my side
Mate, trust me, you don't want a job in politics. Millions of Briefing Notes, Ministerials, Minutes to the Minister, Situation Rports and every combination of meeting notes and speaking points known to man...will burn you out and make a bitter and twisted person.
 
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cruiser51

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Now I am depressed , I need a job in politics , time is not on my side
Joe Biden is 81 and Trump is 77, are you older?
What is old?
Methuselah died at the age of 969.
I do realise he didn't have a mobile phone, or AVZ shares, but he was the grandfather of Noah, the bloke who built a boat with 2 of each.
That should have been enough to give a person grey hairs.

See, no need to be depressed.

Being positive is buying a solar battery when you are 99.
 
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cruiser51

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Well I don't have a watch but I do have a new phone and the autocorrect on it hasn't got used to me yet.

It still thinks I like watching canal fishing videos.
Never heard about canal fishing, so innocent me I googled it....

First sentence:

Feeding on the abundant food source of nymphs and flies, snail, bullie, trout eggs and pellets that have fallen through the salmon farms, these trout regularly grow upwards of 20lb and can often reach 30lb or heavier.

Right, I better get a flight booked to New Zealand as a first priority.
 
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Hi Pow4ade,

I would disagree;

Manono has the largest known lithium deposit in the world at a very high quality.
Lithium is a strategic mineral.
Whoever controls Manono potentially controls;

1) The lithium spot market / pricing
2) Significant supply of lithium

Therefore, this is why the Australian Government needs to get heavily involved.


Just my thoughts - DYOR
Thanks for your considered response, and others.

Yes, I get that China monopolising lithium supply is bad news for Aussie producers. And presumably our govt are also aware.

However, if holders swamp them with 20,000 appeals for support, what can the Aussie govt practically do to help AVZ's cause, beyond their quiet diplomacy reportedly employed thus far.

I just can't see what meaningful leverage the govt could apply given we have negligible trade relations with the DRC. What's the actual path the govt could take to exert effective influence on Felix?
 
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BEISHA

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China bitched out last minute like usual


Australia as a complaining party (complainant)

China – Anti-Dumping and Countervailing Measures on Wine From Australia (DS602)


On 22 June 2021, following the Government announcement, Australia requested consultations with the Government of the People's Republic of China concerning measures maintained by China on bottled wine imports from Australia. Australia claimed that China’s anti-dumping and countervailing measures on Australian wine appear to be inconsistent with certain provisions of the Agreement on Implementation of Article VI of the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade 1994, the Agreement on Subsides and Countervailing Measures; and the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade 1994.

Australia held consultations with China on 9 August 2021.

On 16 September 2021, the Government announced that Australia would request that the WTO establish a panel to examine the matter.

The WTO Dispute Settlement Body established a panel on 26 October 2021. Brazil, Canada, Chinese Taipei, the European Union, India, Japan, Korea, Mexico, New Zealand, Norway, the Russian Federation, Singapore, Switzerland, Turkey, Ukraine, the United Kingdom, the United States and Vietnam joined the dispute as third parties.

On 29 April 2022, Australia filed its First Written Submission.

On 6 September 2022, Australia delivered its opening statement at the First Substantive Meeting with the Parties.

On 28 November 2022, Australia filed its Second Written Submission.

On 28 February 2023, Australia delivered its opening statement at the Second Substantive Meeting with the Parties.

On 14 April 2023, Australia filed its Executive Summary.

On 22 October 2023, the Prime Minister announced that Australia and China had reached agreement on a pathway towards the resolution of the dispute. China will conduct an expedited review of its duties on wine. Australia agreed to suspend the dispute for five months to allow that to occur.

On 30 October 2023 the WTO Panel suspended its work on the dispute until 31 March 2024.

China – Anti-Dumping and Countervailing Duty Measures on Barley From Australia (DS598)

On 16 December 2020, following the Government announcement, Australia requested consultations with the Government of the People's Republic of China concerning measures maintained by China on barley imports from Australia. Australia claimed that China’s anti-dumping and countervailing duties on Australian barley appear to be inconsistent with certain provisions of the Agreement on Implementation of Article VI of the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade 1994, the Agreement on Subsides and Countervailing Measures; and the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade 1994.

Australia held consultations with China on 28 January 2021.

On 15 March 2021, the Government announced that Australia would request that the WTO establish a panel to examine the matter.

The WTO Dispute Settlement Body established a panel on 28 May 2021. At Australia’s request, on 3 September 2021 the WTO Director-General composed the panel. Brazil, Canada, the European Union, India, Japan, Mexico, New Zealand, Norway, the Russian Federation, Singapore, Ukraine, the United Kingdom and the United States joined the dispute as third parties.

On 1 November 2021, Australia filed its First Written Submission.

On 8 March 2022, Australia delivered its opening statement at the First Substantive Meeting with the Parties.

On 10 May 2022, Australia filed its Second Written Submission.

On 27 July 2022, Australia delivered its opening statement at the Second Substantive Meeting with the Parties.

On 19 September 2022, Australia filed its Executive Summary.

On 11 April 2023, Minister Wong and Minister Farrell announced that Australia and China had reached an agreement on a potential pathway to resolve the dispute. China agreed to conduct an expedited review into its duties on barley and Australia agreed to a maximum four-month suspension of the WTO dispute to allow this to occur. Following its review, China removed the duties on barley on 5 August 2023.

On 11 August 2023, Australia and China jointly notified the Panel and the Dispute Settlement Body of the WTO that the parties had reached a mutually agreed solution to the matter. On 24 August 2023, the Panel released its report in the dispute reporting that a mutually agreed solution had been reached.
Fuck China!

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BEISHA

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The sentiment is good but just not sure why political leaders would be bothered championing the cause of 20,000 mums and dads who took a big risk in Africa. Especially in the midst of their international legal proceedings.

Can't see what's in it for the govt really. At the diplomatic level we have a small-time engagement with the DRC so its debatable how much weight our political leaders can bring to bear on the DRC.
Australia and US have signed a critical mineral pact........designed to thwart China dominance in the mineral space, lithium is probably the most important mineral going forward and is part of the pact.


AVZ is an australian coy, owner of the largest hard rock lithium project in the planet by a country mile, so i would of thought Manono would very much fit the criteria for the mineral pact, in fact, i would of thought it should be priority number one to be safely secured, therefore there should be plenty " in it " for both the Aust & US govt.

If i was Biden, i wouldnt be committing to the Lobito train initiative until Manono is safely secured by way of ML to AVZ and thus in the bosom of the critical mineral pact...;)


Just a thought.
 
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BEISHA

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maybe but in the meantime you give people false hope and it just leads to disappointment and further mental challenges. avz's situation is not a fucking joke and consequently plenty of people are going through hard times. imo you either post it as you have intel or stfu, so which is it? doesnt seem like you have intel, so I tend to think you should stfu.
Gotta have faith Jase...🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
 
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pow4ade

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Australia and US have signed a critical mineral pact........designed to thwart China dominance in the mineral space, lithium is probably the most important mineral going forward and is part of the pact.


AVZ is an australian coy, owner of the largest hard rock lithium project in the planet by a country mile, so i would of thought Manono would very much fit the criteria for the mineral pact, in fact, i would of thought it should be priority number one to be safely secured, therefore there should be plenty " in it " for both the Aust & US govt.

If i was Biden, i wouldnt be committing to the Lobito train initiative until Manono is safely secured by way of ML to AVZ and thus in the bosom of the critical mineral pact...;)


Just a thought.
Thanks for identifying these potential mechanisms and pathways to exert influence on the DRC. Exactly what I was looking for. 👌
 
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SilentOne

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Thanks for your considered response, and others.

Yes, I get that China monopolising lithium supply is bad news for Aussie producers. And presumably our govt are also aware.

However, if holders swamp them with 20,000 appeals for support, what can the Aussie govt practically do to help AVZ's cause, beyond their quiet diplomacy reportedly employed thus far.

I just can't see what meaningful leverage the govt could apply given we have negligible trade relations with the DRC. What's the actual path the govt could take to exert effective influence on Felix?
I think the answer is easy,

Hasn't the Australian Government allocated $40 million to critical minerals? They can lend us $20 million at zero interest to start with.

The Australian Government could be the "Lender of Last Resort" for critical minerals if they were serious - a function that they provide to Banks in Australia.

Regards,

SilentOne
 
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Australia and US have signed a critical mineral pact........designed to thwart China dominance in the mineral space, lithium is probably the most important mineral going forward and is part of the pact.


AVZ is an australian coy, owner of the largest hard rock lithium project in the planet by a country mile, so i would of thought Manono would very much fit the criteria for the mineral pact, in fact, i would of thought it should be priority number one to be safely secured, therefore there should be plenty " in it " for both the Aust & US govt.

If i was Biden, i wouldnt be committing to the Lobito train initiative until Manono is safely secured by way of ML to AVZ and thus in the bosom of the critical mineral pact...;)


Just a thought.
Fingers crossed Avz management constantly reminded the government of the minerals pact and how they blocked an international investment stake.
 
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I think the answer is easy,

Hasn't the Australian Government allocated $40 million to critical minerals? They can lend us $20 million at zero interest to start with.

The Australian Government could be the "Lender of Last Resort" for critical minerals if they were serious - a function that they provide to Banks in Australia.

Regards,

SilentOne
Wow! Smart. Very smart! What do mining companies like ours do to lobby govt? Is there more we could be doing as a company from inside. Like the banks do. Or is it a sector wide issue?
 
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Remark

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Some interesting posts from Jens on X today:unsure:



 
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Randenj

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The power dynamics in that photo are fascinating ranging from who is wearing coat and tie to none, routes of access and other behavioural positions. Incidentally, forgive me if this is a stupid question I recognise Celstin, but who are the others?
 
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Doc

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And what court case is on in DRC this week?
 
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BEISHA

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Further more, why don’t others get off their arse and instead of sooking on forums, go out and engage our political leaders ensuring they know our story.
Jag my man, you are a ripper bloke, doing wonderful things on the twitter x space no doubt , but imo, it shouldnt come down to us longs having to contact political leaders about the AVZ story, it should already be known. AVZ bod get paid good dough by us for them to do that on our behalf, in fact, i am pretty sure i read somewhere that the Australian embassy in DRC is very much aware of the situation, which you would imagine has been passed on to FIRB and departments higher up, we have international arbitration applying the blow torch, not sure there is much more anyone can do except hope Felix acquires a brain cell and do the right thing according to their own mining laws.

I am not sure if Albanese is aware of the AVZ story, but if he is, then if i was him, i would be bringing that matter up when wanker WANG Li pays us a visit in a few weeks.......;)


Is Albanese on twitter ?

Oh yes.

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Maybe there is something us longs could do , a collaborative AVZ TSE letter of concern sent to Albo reminding him of the critical mineral pact and AVZ dire situation with China trying to do what they do best , steal 30% of the worlds supply of lithium and gaining control of another mineral.

That conversation with wanker Wang could go hand in hand with another hot topic...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/australia-politician-allegedly-helped-foreign-regime-spy-chief/

Does Albo have the balls ?
 
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The power dynamics in that photo are fascinating ranging from who is wearing coat and tie to none, routes of access and other behavioural positions. Incidentally, forgive me if this is a stupid question I recognise Celstin, but who are the others?
That my friend is the US Cavalry ............Maybe
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Cumquat Cap

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I bet they’re heavy hitters wearing casual attire and telling Celestin to pull his long neck out of his ass. Can only hope
 
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The power dynamics in that photo are fascinating ranging from who is wearing coat and tie to none, routes of access and other behavioural positions. Incidentally, forgive me if this is a stupid question I recognise Celstin, but who are the others?
Looks like Carrick from MMGA at the time pre agm. Shows Lenny and Celestin are in bed together. As expected...
 
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BRICK

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FUCKING Carrot Dick.

i wonder where he is now.... and then i thought id take a trip down memory lane.....

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