AVZ Discussion 2022

[Cumquat Cap]

Well last week was a fantastic result, assume it will all go pretty quiet again now which is unfortunate.

Fingers crossed for some good ICC and ICSID outcomes in December

 

[Hemicuda]

Hi lost the bird discord link if someone can post it cheers

 

[Rediah]

Hi lost the bird discord link if someone can post it cheers

$avz -url:discord.com

 

[wombat74]

Well last week was a fantastic result, assume it will all go pretty quiet again now which is unfortunate.

Fingers crossed for some good ICC and ICSID outcomes in December

It's just a shame because of the attempted rat f--king by the MMGA clowns Share Holders were unable to give the BoD a proper grilling . They deserved a serious f--king roasting imo . They got off extremely lightly imo .

 

[timb89]

It's just a shame because of the attempted rat f--king by the MMGA clowns Share Holders were unable to give the BoD a proper grilling . They deserved a serious f--king roasting imo . They got off extremely lightly imo .

One battle at a time.

What roasting would you have particularly given them?

 

[wombat74]

One battle at a time.

What roasting would you have particularly given them?

A general roasting .

 

[Bray]

Lil bit of basil some garlic maybe little chilli

 

[wombat74]

Lil bit of basil some garlic maybe little chilli

On a high heat .

 

[Fivez]

It's just a shame because of the attempted rat f--king by the MMGA clowns Share Holders were unable to give the BoD a proper grilling . They deserved a serious f--king roasting imo . They got off extremely lightly imo .

I think the assumption in the room is that the enemies are circling and will be present at each AGM for the foreseeable future, so there will need to be a balance in that grilling given you will likely get pre-prepared answers from legal

 

[timb89]

A general roasting .

It was a serious question. As far as I can tell board are doing everything in their power to advanced project.

Main issue is remuneration.

 

[Carlos Danger]

It's just a shame because of the attempted rat f--king by the MMGA clowns Share Holders were unable to give the BoD a proper grilling . They deserved a serious f--king roasting imo . They got off extremely lightly imo .

One battle at a time.

What roasting would you have particularly given them?

I think the assumption in the room is that the enemies are circling and will be present at each AGM for the foreseeable future, so there will need to be a balance in that grilling given you will likely get pre-prepared answers from legal

This time last year most shaeholders were saying if we're still not trading next AGM then the bod will have lost my support

Now they're saying the exact same

Same thing will happen next year imo

Last weeks vote was a choice of continuing the status quo path of arbitration or making a deal on unfavourable terms

We have to accept the outcome of this decision wherever it may lead and however long it takes. We are now all responsible for the suspension mission creep. If Felix gave any fucks about AVZ or the law this all would have been over months ago imo

 

[timb89]

This time last year most shaeholders were saying if we're still not trading next AGM then the bod will have lost my support

Now they're saying the exact same

Same thing will happen next year imo

Last weeks vote was a choice of continuing the status quo path of arbitration or making a deal on unfavourable terms

We have to accept the outcome of this decision wherever it may lead and however long it takes. We are now all responsible for the suspension mission creep. If Felix gave any fucks about AVZ or the law this all would have been over months ago imo

I disagree in regards to Felix agenda. His processes required to eliminate corruption is unknowable to us.

The complexities of the geopolitical structure of DRC are beyond the scope of average AVZ investor. None of us can really make any absolute comments on his administration.

It seems that remnants of the previous government still remain whose support is required for the formation of the coalition government.

Its unrealistic to presume that x amount of years of corruption can be cut out in one fell swoop. I suspect Felix doing deals with devils to stay in power, in order to continue to fight corruption. Could be also to continue lining his pockets.

Your comment on Felix caring about AVZ or Law, could just as easily be inverted to say Manono could be very close to shipping spod right now if he didn't care about law.

 

[wombat74]

It was a serious question. As far as I can tell board are doing everything in their power to advanced project.

Main issue is remuneration.

There you go . Remuneration/ Bonuses being one . Did we get any bang for our buck out of Marius Mihigo ? Personally I'm pissed off no one thought to take a photo of Nigel's recent meeting with the President . Or the previous meeting for that matter . Maybe there was a legitimate reason .Opportunity missed imo . Amateur hour . What was the vibe like between the 2 of them ?

 

[M.Bison]

I disagree in regards to Felix agenda. His processes required to eliminate corruption is unknowable to us.

The complexities of the geopolitical structure of DRC are beyond the scope of average AVZ investor. None of us can really make any absolute comments on his administration.

It seems that remnants of the previous government still remain whose support is required for the formation of the coalition government.

Its unrealistic to presume that x amount of years of corruption can be cut out in one fell swoop. I suspect Felix doing deals with devils to stay in power, in order to continue to fight corruption. Could be also to continue lining his pockets.

Your comment on Felix caring about AVZ or Law, could just as easily be inverted to say Manono could be very close to shipping spod right now if he didn't care avout law.

I agree, the complexities are a minefield. I do wonder if a takeover offer would even be approved internally? I know we tend to think that the Chinese are all powerful in the DRC, but the fact is we are still here and in their way. If they had all the power, they would be mining Manono and have complete control. There is clearly a push from many internally to move away from Chinese ownership. Examples are numerous eg renegotiation of copper & cobalt deals with Sicomines.
Part of me thinks that a takeover from any Chinese entity might not even be viable. Recall that detractors convinced FT that we were here simply to flip the project, so clearly it was a concern of his.
SURELY they would have lobbed in a bid by now, given all of the effort they have put in to stall & steal the project.
Not clear cut at all, and starts to make less sense the more I dwell on it.

 

[BRICK]

One battle at a time.

What roasting would you have particularly given them?

Well.... not a spit roasting

 

[wombat74]

I disagree in regards to Felix agenda. His processes required to eliminate corruption is unknowable to us.

The complexities of the geopolitical structure of DRC are beyond the scope of average AVZ investor. None of us can really make any absolute comments on his administration.

It seems that remnants of the previous government still remain whose support is required for the formation of the coalition government.

Its unrealistic to presume that x amount of years of corruption can be cut out in one fell swoop. I suspect Felix doing deals with devils to stay in power, in order to continue to fight corruption. Could be also to continue lining his pockets.

Your comment on Felix caring about AVZ or Law, could just as easily be inverted to say Manono could be very close to shipping spod right now if he didn't care about law.

Felix promoted CKK . The President and the MoM of mines have handed over responsibility of the Manono Project to Cominiere and their Chinese masters . All this after CKK was found guilty of corruption .

 

[timb89]

Felix promoted CKK . The President and the MoM of mines have handed over responsibility of the Manono Project to Cominiere and their Chinese masters . All this after CKK was found guilty of corruption .

I wish he hadn't but I can also entertain the possibility that letting someone captain a sinking ship isn't a promotion.

 

[timb89]

I agree, the complexities are a minefield. I do wonder if a takeover offer would even be approved internally? I know we tend to think that the Chinese are all powerful in the DRC, but the fact is we are still here and in their way. If they had all the power, they would be mining Manono and have complete control. There is clearly a push from many internally to move away from Chinese ownership. Examples are numerous eg renegotiation of copper & cobalt deals with Sicomines.
Part of me thinks that a takeover from any Chinese entity might not even be viable. Recall that detractors convinced FT that we were here simply to flip the project, so clearly it was a concern of his.
SURELY they would have lobbed in a bid by now, given all of the effort they have put in to stall & steal the project.
Not clear cut at all, and starts to make less sense the more I dwell on it.

To add, the recent MOU DRC signed with European Union as well as Lobito Corridor being supported by USA.

EU, DRC, Zambia Forge Raw Material Partnerships, Develop Lobito Corridor

Today, at the Global Gateway Forum taking place in Brussels, the EU signed three Memoranda of Understanding (MOU) with partners to develop critical

www.miragenews.com

China having control of Manono, stolen from Western ally will have ramifications for above.

Main point is that to say "AVZ don't have Manono, there FT is enemy" is (whilst possibly true) is to simplistic and above our pay grades.

 

[SilentOne]

I wish he hadn't but I can also entertain the possibility that letting someone captain a sinking ship isn't a promotion.

Tim,

You are exactly right in my opinion - Special K will have all the accountability lumped onto him as time passes and I am sure he will go out with a bang and not a whimper.

Someone from the DRC ultimately needs to wear the accountability and it wont be the President or his Ministers.

Just a thought bubble.

SilentOne.

 

[wombat74]

I agree, the complexities are a minefield. I do wonder if a takeover offer would even be approved internally? I know we tend to think that the Chinese are all powerful in the DRC, but the fact is we are still here and in their way. If they had all the power, they would be mining Manono and have complete control. There is clearly a push from many internally to move away from Chinese ownership. Examples are numerous eg renegotiation of copper & cobalt deals with Sicomines.
Part of me thinks that a takeover from any Chinese entity might not even be viable. Recall that detractors convinced FT that we were here simply to flip the project, so clearly it was a concern of his.
SURELY they would have lobbed in a bid by now, given all of the effort they have put in to stall & steal the project.
Not clear cut at all, and starts to make less sense the more I dwell on it.

Could it be the Chinese plan of attack is to have AVZ fully commit to ICSID ?