AVZ Discussion 2022

[Dazmac66]

"The Sole Arbitrator will determine a procedural timeline in the coming weeks at which time the Company will provide an update."

I have been trying to decipher this statement. To me it states that it will take a couple of weeks for the ICC to come up with a date a for another hearing at some point in the future? My head hurts to think it takes a few weeks to just come up with a future date.

 

[Jazz]

Jens on X saying MB/the large shareholder sharing of info is dumb.
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Pot calling the kettle……?

 

[JNRB]

Hi all, just wanted to share some thoughts on the recent info regarding the MoU

Firstly - FFS BoD, did we really need this bullshit from Fat tail for you to give us that update? I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that it was necessary or useful to keep us in the dark on this, but that benefit has been stretched pretty far over the past 2 years.

Ok whinge aside, why an MoU for a "pathway to the granting of the mining license" and not just a mining license?
IMO - They are discussing a bigger framework than just the mine. Few reasons I think this.
1. What other terms would they be negotiating on that would lead them to end arbitrations? They sure as hell aren't going to settle for making the project/ownership smaller after all of this.
2. Mining license is ultimately a rubber stamp. If it was just that, don't need an MoU to create a new 'pathway'. But if mining license becomes part of a bigger picture, then a statement to guide that process makes sense.
3. "The main purpose of the ICSID Arbitration Request is to seek various remedies for the failure of the DRC and its administrative departments, to comply with obligations under the DRC Mining Code" - So mining license is just getting us back to where we should have been 2 years ago. Then there is still the matter of "various remedies" for the damage we have suffered by having the DRC screw around for so long. That IMO is what is covered by the MoU. And I don't think it's going to end up being a financial remedy, I think there will be some sort of special arrangement for the bigger picture development of lithium in DRC. One that allows us to not have to fuk about with Cominiere.

So basically - how to get past issues with the mining license? Make it a smaller part of a much bigger picture.

Just my speculating. It could also just be the MoU sets out a pathway for "if we do x, you cancel arbitration y" - a formal statement from the parties involved that if DRC grants license, AVZ will withdraw ICSID arbitration. But again, that would basically be them blackmailing us to just do what they were supposed to do anyway, so IMO there's gotta be more to it than that.

 

[Azzler]

Hi all, just wanted to share some thoughts on the recent info regarding the MoU

Firstly - FFS BoD, did we really need this bullshit from Fat tail for you to give us that update? I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that it was necessary or useful to keep us in the dark on this, but that benefit has been stretched pretty far over the past 2 years.

Ok whinge aside, why an MoU for a "pathway to the granting of the mining license" and not just a mining license?
IMO - They are discussing a bigger framework than just the mine. Few reasons I think this.
1. What other terms would they be negotiating on that would lead them to end arbitrations? They sure as hell aren't going to settle for making the project/ownership smaller after all of this.
2. Mining license is ultimately a rubber stamp. If it was just that, don't need an MoU to create a new 'pathway'. But if mining license becomes part of a bigger picture, then a statement to guide that process makes sense.
3. "The main purpose of the ICSID Arbitration Request is to seek various remedies for the failure of the DRC and its administrative departments, to comply with obligations under the DRC Mining Code" - So mining license is just getting us back to where we should have been 2 years ago. Then there is still the matter of "various remedies" for the damage we have suffered by having the DRC screw around for so long. That IMO is what is covered by the MoU. And I don't think it's going to end up being a financial remedy, I think there will be some sort of special arrangement for the bigger picture development of lithium in DRC. One that allows us to not have to fuk about with Cominiere.

So basically - how to get past issues with the mining license? Make it a smaller part of a much bigger picture.

Just my speculating. It could also just be the MoU sets out a pathway for "if we do x, you cancel arbitration y" - a formal statement from the parties involved that if DRC grants license, AVZ will withdraw ICSID arbitration. But again, that would basically be them blackmailing us to just do what they were supposed to do anyway, so IMO there's gotta be more to it than that.

The way I see it, the partners and arrangements that was Dathcom is unworkable with Cominiere. A ML can't be issued with the current arrangements.
So a new deal has had to be brokered for everyone to move forward, and this is basically this MoU.
Rumors and whispered of new partners months ago like CMOC, and even that other state mining org I cant think of right now.
New percentages, new handshakes and new alliances have had to be brokered and agreed upon, as well as all the fine details before something solid can be put forward to the DRC MoM and CAMI.

Once this is all agreed upon and signed, the ML should follow very swiftly.

But it does need a new framework, which is the MoU.

Dathcom JV is a thing of the past. IMHO (Until something new is signed in)

 

[MoneyBags1348]

Now hes posted a screenshot of mb's post (showing his username) on it it having a go at him on X!

And now he’s posting this…. Can’t seem to make up his mind, the main thing is we are all fighting on the same side against the clandestine corruption and disinformation

 

[MoneyBags1348]

Jens also didn’t mind using this information I posted 7 months ago and giving the credit to someone else

The thing is…. The most important thing to me is supporting Nigel and the current BOD because I’ve been invested in stocks for long enough to know what’s important for my investment

 

[Onthefm]

Hi all, just wanted to share some thoughts on the recent info regarding the MoU

Firstly - FFS BoD, did we really need this bullshit from Fat tail for you to give us that update? I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that it was necessary or useful to keep us in the dark on this, but that benefit has been stretched pretty far over the past 2 years.

Ok whinge aside, why an MoU for a "pathway to the granting of the mining license" and not just a mining license?
IMO - They are discussing a bigger framework than just the mine. Few reasons I think this.
1. What other terms would they be negotiating on that would lead them to end arbitrations? They sure as hell aren't going to settle for making the project/ownership smaller after all of this.
2. Mining license is ultimately a rubber stamp. If it was just that, don't need an MoU to create a new 'pathway'. But if mining license becomes part of a bigger picture, then a statement to guide that process makes sense.
3. "The main purpose of the ICSID Arbitration Request is to seek various remedies for the failure of the DRC and its administrative departments, to comply with obligations under the DRC Mining Code" - So mining license is just getting us back to where we should have been 2 years ago. Then there is still the matter of "various remedies" for the damage we have suffered by having the DRC screw around for so long. That IMO is what is covered by the MoU. And I don't think it's going to end up being a financial remedy, I think there will be some sort of special arrangement for the bigger picture development of lithium in DRC. One that allows us to not have to fuk about with Cominiere.

So basically - how to get past issues with the mining license? Make it a smaller part of a much bigger picture.

Just my speculating. It could also just be the MoU sets out a pathway for "if we do x, you cancel arbitration y" - a formal statement from the parties involved that if DRC grants license, AVZ will withdraw ICSID arbitration. But again, that would basically be them blackmailing us to just do what they were supposed to do anyway, so IMO there's gotta be more to it than that.

Otherwise we're going backwards. Oimo

 

[BEISHA]

I received my little green letters today. The Mrs saw them and read them and stated that things were not good for AVZ. I guess that's what they are trying to achieve, instill fear in those that dont know. I had to explain to her what was going on.
Those that dont have someone to explain that these scum are trying to steal Manono could easily fall for their rubbish.

Its only now your missus gets to know what predicament AVZ is in ?

 

[BEISHA]

Is that even English?

These fuckwits can barely write a syntactically correct sentence, yet they claim to be our saviours? The flyer is meant as a show of their acumen, but all they've done is show us they could barely tie their own shoe-laces.

Fucking numpties.

Syntactically.....

in a way that relates to the grammatical arrangement of words in a sentence:

I just wanted to broaden my english language.........I guess i fall into that " fucking numptie " category .....

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

Syntactically.....

in a way that relates to the grammatical arrangement of words in a sentence:

I just wanted to broaden my english language.........I guess i fall into that " fucking numptie " category .....

I would never think that of you, @BEISHA

 

[Winenut]

Syntactically.....

in a way that relates to the grammatical arrangement of words in a sentence:

I just wanted to broaden my english language.........I guess i fall into that " fucking numptie " category .....

Crack me up Beish.....I had a second glance at that word too!!!

 

[Winenut]

For the record I think Mr I is totally ...ummmmmm........appropriate

 

[BEISHA]

For the record I think Mr I is totally ...ummmmmm........appropriate

A smart fuck is more .......appropriate

 

[Winenut]

A smart fuck is more .......appropriate

....maybe just smart

 

[wombat74]

The way I see it, the partners and arrangements that was Dathcom is unworkable with Cominiere. A ML can't be issued with the current arrangements.
So a new deal has had to be brokered for everyone to move forward, and this is basically this MoU.
Rumors and whispered of new partners months ago like CMOC, and even that other state mining org I cant think of right now.
New percentages, new handshakes and new alliances have had to be brokered and agreed upon, as well as all the fine details before something solid can be put forward to the DRC MoM and CAMI.

Once this is all agreed upon and signed, the ML should follow very swiftly.

But it does need a new framework, which is the MoU.

Dathcom JV is a thing of the past. IMHO (Until something new is signed in)

Lets hope it happens before the AGM . Talk is cheap .

 

[djhome]

S m r t

 

[pow4ade]

The most important thing to me is supporting Nigel and the current BOD because I’ve been invested in stocks for long enough to know what’s important for my investment

Don't make me laugh.

Surely being in possession of such sensitive information your first port of call should have been to Nigel and the Board, if you really did "know what's important to my investment".

 

[Doc]

Don't make me laugh.

Surely being in possession of such sensitive information your first port of call should have been to Nigel and the Board, if you really did "know what's important to my investment".

How do you know he didn’t?

 

[tonster66]

Its only now your missus gets to know what predicament AVZ is in ?

She never listens to me at the best of times. I do regularly update her, but when it gets delivered by mail there must be some truth in it, according to her.

 

[Xerof]

She never listens to me at the best of times. I do regularly update her, but when it gets delivered by mail there must be some truth in it, according to her.

That’s why I’m waiting at the letterbox, to collect and destroy disinformation before it gets to the wrong hands