AVZ Discussion 2022

[Der Geist]

I like the way you are posting without prejudice. Is this because you are burning (along with all the shorter’s) and AVZ doesn’t have to come out of suspension

And aren’t you supposed to be getting Cong’s noodles ready

Both rhetorical questions actually

Contrary views or queries are not prejudice. Information assymetry may make one think there is prejudice but on what basis is the purported prejudice built on?

Was the company’s presentation of facts?

Was AVZ hiding bad news?
Yes.

If yes, was it legitimate to hide?
Yes and No.

How did you come to that conclusion?
AVZ clarified directly to me facts related to its (hysterical) May o4 media speculation statement. The IGF started speaking rather than Franck Fwamba’s incomplete snippets.

What about that May 04 statement?
Try reading it again after 12 months and ask as a more informed reader was it generous in clarifying what has been going on?

Are the arguments for non-disclosure by an ASX company based purely on whether a 3rd or 2nd party is acting within or outside the law.
NO.

I saw a lot of prejudice that maintained people’s heads in ostrich holes.

Just remember how great the Apollonian deception was, in Germany at that time April 2022. And the shock something else is going on entirely different. Would you be suspicious about “exit strategies” in a AXINO presentation.
Was there no curiosity about what Fwamba was muttering on Twitter months before?
Anglophones were so in the dark.

The other historical matters I brought up were all precipitated by the 2021 AGM — many here have since concluded there was issues how that meeting was run. I’ve had issues with it for years earlier. And not seeing Michael Hughes presenting not at a later date when fit to do, just wasn’t right for an ASX 200 company. There was a smell

 

[Flexi]

Errr, Flexi, pretty sure that's not appropriate regards to the amazing women out there, not to mention it's Mothers day, not wanting to spell it out but........

CLITS.

The YES campaign, a much better option.

Understood ....will delete. cheers

 

[Der Geist]

Contrary views or queries are not prejudice. Information assymetry may make one think there is prejudice but on what basis is the purported prejudice built on?

*Was the company’s presentation of facts?

Was AVZ hiding bad news?
Yes.

If yes, was it legitimate to hide?
Yes and No.

How did you come to that conclusion?
AVZ clarified directly to me facts related to its (hysterical) May o4 media speculation statement. The IGF started speaking rather than Franck Fwamba’s incomplete snippets.

What about that May 04 statement?
Try reading it again after 12 months and ask as a more informed reader was it generous in clarifying what has been going on?

Are the arguments for non-disclosure by an ASX company based purely on whether a 3rd or 2nd party is acting within or outside the law.
NO.

I saw a lot of prejudice that maintained people’s heads in ostrich holes.

Just remember how great the Apollonian deception was, in Germany at that time April 2022. And the shock something else is going on entirely different. Would you be suspicious about “exit strategies” in a AXINO presentation.
Was there no curiosity about what Fwamba was muttering on Twitter months before?
Anglophones were so in the dark.

The other historical matters I brought up were all precipitated by the 2021 AGM — many here have since concluded there was issues how that meeting was run. I’ve had issues with it for years earlier. And not seeing Michael Hughes presenting not at a later date when fit to do, just wasn’t right for an ASX 200 company. There was a smell

* Was #it# the company’s presentation of facts?
I still don’t have functions to edit typos. Apologies.

 

[Flexi]

Errr, Flexi, pretty sure that's not appropriate regards to the amazing women out there, not to mention it's Mothers day, not wanting to spell it out but........

CLITS.

The YES campaign, a much better option.

I could not come up or wanted to swear with "KUNTS"

 

[SilentOne]

Still cannot figure out how other nations haven’t called DRC out on their bullshit..

Well actually I thought Macron had by telling Felix to stay home and sought out his shit.

Silent One

 

[SilentOne]

Australia should not be sitting on sidelines we’ve provided aid and immigration opportunities in the past. Why are our ministers sitting silent while thousands of Australian investors are getting scammed by these dogs?

Having delt with Austrade representatives previously it comes as no surprise.

From my experience I find them .............

Silent One

 

[BEISHA]

I could not come up or wanted to swear with "KUNTS"

Look, I ain't no prude, I love a good swear, but I prefer that the word KUNT , wasn't used on this forum either, it's really crude and derogatory to women, which many would be viewing here, there are so many other neutral words to use when having a vent.

Just imo

 

[Flexi]

 

[Panther22]

Errr, Flexi, pretty sure that's not appropriate regards to the amazing women out there, not to mention it's Mothers day, not wanting to spell it out but........

CLITS.

The YES campaign, a much better option.

Agree, not appropriate at all.

 

[Frank]

*Fyi, In case anyone missed it, like i did the other Day

 

[timb89]

Agree, not appropriate at all.

I think you're being sensitive. This isn't a liberal arts college.

 

[MoneyBags1348]

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https://youtube.com/@drcminingweek5484

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

We know that CAMI have been instructed by the minister to get their house in order. In theory that should not affect us as we are subject to transformation (from exploration to exploitation):

I had missed this tweet from a couple of days back where old mate from Cominiere intends to use his influence over CAMI and use the above audit as a pretext to remove Dathcom/AVZ from register.

He and Mupande must be as thick as thieves…

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

I think you're being sensitive. This isn't a liberal arts college.

Look, I think I’m the only one here truely qualified to determine what’s appropriate.

 

[MoneyBags1348]

Contrary views or queries are not prejudice. Information assymetry may make one think there is prejudice but on what basis is the purported prejudice built on?

Was the company’s presentation of facts?

Was AVZ hiding bad news?
Yes.

If yes, was it legitimate to hide?
Yes and No.

How did you come to that conclusion?
AVZ clarified directly to me facts related to its (hysterical) May o4 media speculation statement. The IGF started speaking rather than Franck Fwamba’s incomplete snippets.

What about that May 04 statement?
Try reading it again after 12 months and ask as a more informed reader was it generous in clarifying what has been going on?

Are the arguments for non-disclosure by an ASX company based purely on whether a 3rd or 2nd party is acting within or outside the law.
NO.

I saw a lot of prejudice that maintained people’s heads in ostrich holes.

Just remember how great the Apollonian deception was, in Germany at that time April 2022. And the shock something else is going on entirely different. Would you be suspicious about “exit strategies” in a AXINO presentation.
Was there no curiosity about what Fwamba was muttering on Twitter months before?
Anglophones were so in the dark.

The other historical matters I brought up were all precipitated by the 2021 AGM — many here have since concluded there was issues how that meeting was run. I’ve had issues with it for years earlier. And not seeing Michael Hughes presenting not at a later date when fit to do, just wasn’t right for an ASX 200 company. There was a smell

The thing is, I am aware of all that. I am also aware of your constant undermining of AVZ exec’s and BOD and your efforts to encourage a movement against them as well as your efforts encouraging a class action against them.

At the present time we are fighting WITH the company, against a number of corrupt and bribed entities in the DRC and China while YOU continue to undermine us.

No one has forgotten about your relationship with Simon Cong and no one has forgotten about the aliases you use. I’m pretty sure you sold shares then either bought or borrowed more.

One thing is crystal clear, you are not here to support shareholders or AVZ

 

[Der Geist]

The thing is, I am aware of all that. I am also aware of your constant undermining of AVZ exec’s and BOD and your efforts to encourage a movement against them as well as your efforts encouraging a class action against them.

At the present time we are fighting WITH the company, against a number of corrupt and bribed entities in the DRC and China while YOU continue to undermine us.

No one has forgotten about your relationship with Simon Cong and no one has forgotten about the aliases you use. I’m pretty sure you sold shares then either bought or borrowed more.

One thing is crystal clear, you are not here to support shareholders or AVZ

Listen buddy - in your dogmas you don’t understand anything you haven’t learned is not to attack me with your paranoid diatribes.

The thing is, I am aware of all that. I am also aware of your constant undermining of AVZ exec’s and BOD and your efforts to encourage a movement against them as well as your efforts encouraging a class action against them.

At the present time we are fighting WITH the company, against a number of corrupt and bribed entities in the DRC and China while YOU continue to undermine us.

No one has forgotten about your relationship with Simon Cong and no one has forgotten about the aliases you use. I’m pretty sure you sold shares then either bought or borrowed more.

One thing is crystal clear, you are not here to support shareholders or AVZ

A “class action”, please explain this one. This is new.

 

[cruiser51]

If the DRC does not clean up its act of operating with the large brown paper bags under the table policy and can not be trusted to honour its contracts, do not believe a lot of money from the Western world will flow to the DRC.

The DRC will remain handcuffed and depended to the whims of China.

Sri Lanka comes to mind:
China's debt composition in Sri Lanka moved from 0.3 percent to 16 percent between 2000 and 2016. By the end of 2022, China's debt stock in Sri Lanka had reached some US$7.3 billion, amounting to 19.6 percent of Colombo's public external debt.2 Mar 2023

Sri Lanka has been unable to buy goods it needs from abroad. And in May 2022 it failed to make an interest payment on its foreign debt for the first time in its history. This damaged its reputation with lenders, making it even harder to borrow money on the international markets.29 Mar 2023

Sri Lanka's sovereign rating was progressively downgraded and the country was locked out of capital markets and was unable to roll-over maturing sovereign bonds. The IMF in its 2021 Article IV Consultations report concluded that Sri Lanka's public debt was unsustainable.

Is this what Felix T wants as his achievement after his first stint of President of the DRC?

If the DRC continues on its current course it will become a laughing stock in the international investment world, if they haven't already reached that stage.

 

[Flight996]

*Fyi, In case anyone missed it, like i did the other Day


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Hi Frank

Noting that Cominiere is owned 90% by the DRC government and 10% by a social security and pension fund, the really insidious thing about its request for a loan from AVZ is that, if successful, it could be construed as a bribe. I am 100% convinced that, if the AVZ board was silly enough to agree, Cominiere, Tommy Tosser and other low-life would have publicly bent us over with bribery allegations.

Cheers
F

 

[John Reed]

Anyone know who Cree EGC is?

This is all that I could find https://www.reuters.com/article/cobalt-congo-ahome-idINL8N2A666V

Franck is quite obtuse at times. Is it translation or a bit of arrogance?

 

[John Reed]

But like me, those chinese shareholders (and probably most of the others too) paid very little for their shares - well under 10 cents, so the economic value to lose is zippo (even though the theoretical market value has been massive). Opportunity cost only, if they never see their funds again.

The current Chinese shareholders would see it as a sacrifice for the greater good - Zijin has little to lose, CATH has even less, but CHINA has everything to win by trying to screw us

Kunts

don't mean to be seen as taking their side, just having an Eyore moment

I doubt it. They too would be muttering how awful their government is.

CATL’s chairman was recently tapped for questions of trust just like Ant Group’s Jack Ma.