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AVZ Discussion 2022
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Been following closely, have we?
We aren't in voluntary suspension anymore. The BoD doesn't have a choice.
No piss test, no blow in a pipe test, wind coming all the way from NSW 4.5 knots, so low swell from Sunday at least for a week.
Impossible to get seasick, even a canoe will lay in the water like the Queen Mary.
And there is more, Mark McG is paying $400 of your power bill for the next 12 months.
Life can be sweet
All what needs sorting is some kunties in the DRC.
Rediah
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I cant get to it either
Fraude et corruption en RDC : les révélations accablantes du chef de l’inspection générale des Finances
Jules Alingete Key est l’un des hommes les plus redoutés du Congo, faisant trembler fraudeurs et corrompus et mettant en cause les contrats chinois qui ont grevé les finances du pays. Il estime que les Chinois se sont « accommodés du laxisme qu’ils ont trouvé au Congo ».
I do not believe Kongopress have said anything about believing AVZ lost.
Hey @Xerof, are you referring to this tweet?
If you're referring to this one, personally I found it very difficult to interpret. Not sure that it's saying AVZ lost though.
Why is it that everything to do with this project is so cryptic? Actually don't answer that.
aanti.dumb
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The tweet in French might have some spelling, punctuation and structure mistakes.
This is my best guess as to what the tweet is trying to convey:
After the conviction by the Paris Commercial Court in the case against #AVZ, #COMINIERE certifies 100% total ownership of license 13359 of which it had signed a joint venture partnership #DATHCOM, composed of $AVZ , $COMINIERE and $DATHCOM.
Im not aware of any ICC conviction apart from the rulling about the JV being up held.
If this is correct, Cominiere now claim the Permit 13359 is now %100 owned by them. I would say this is %100 a breach of the ruling by the ICC and Dathcom should be 100K euro richer.
solo
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Jules Alingete, born in 1963, is today one of the most feared men in the DRC. He climbed all the levels of a career dedicated to the control of public finances: after studying economics, he became a chartered accountant, adviser to the Ministry of the Economy and tax specialist. For three years, he has been Chief Inspector General of Finance of Congo (IGF) with the status of judicial police officer, which allows him to initiate legal proceedings in the event of violations. Its reports are addressed directly to the Head of State.I cant get to it either
Fraude et corruption en RDC : les révélations accablantes du chef de l’inspection générale des Finances
Jules Alingete Key est l’un des hommes les plus redoutés du Congo, faisant trembler fraudeurs et corrompus et mettant en cause les contrats chinois qui ont grevé les finances du pays. Il estime que les Chinois se sont « accommodés du laxisme qu’ils ont trouvé au Congo ».www.lesoir.be
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What are the missions of the General Inspectorate of Finance?
Examining how public funds are managed, we note the facts of embezzlement and corruption. We carry out audits, checks and verifications of all public services, companies, provinces, local entities, ministries in order to verify the proper use of public goods and funds. Our checks can take place on past facts, but they also relate to current facts. We even work a priori, before the act is performed, with the aim of prevention and education.
What are the biggest cases you have had to deal with?
I would pinpoint five, related to corruption and the embezzlement of public funds. The control of the Central Bank of Congo is the first: we discovered credit cards held by civil servants, politicians. Directly connected to the general account of the Treasury via commercial banks, these cards could be used at any time. The State account could thus be debited for extremely high amounts, amounting to 10,000 dollars per day and purchases could reach the same amount. The Congolese Treasury has thus lost a lot of money.
The audit of the forest sector of the DRC – a process related to the moratorium to which the Congo had adhered – is the second case. Despite commitments made to the international community, logging permits continued to be issued by members of the government in charge of the forestry sector. Following our report, the current Minister of the Environment canceled logging concessions.
The audit of the mining sector was the third important case: the examination of all the contracts concluded between 2010 and 2020 by Gécamines (the General Society of Quarries and Mines) revealed serious facts of the selling off of mining assets. The modus operandi of fraud and selling off in this mining sector having been better understood, measures have been taken. Between 2010 and 2020, Gécamines made nearly $2 billion in profits and 97% of that amount was squandered on operating expenses and snacks. While Gécamines had to renew its production tool and relaunch its activities, no investment was made and the company has a very heavy social debt.
In addition, nearly 612 million dollars, paid by Gécamines to the Congolese State in respect of taxes due in 2010 and 2019 and paid into the Treasury account, have disappeared at the level of the Central Bank of Congo.
The affair of Chinese contracts, opaque and unbalanced, is resounding…
The audit of Chinese contracts is the fourth outstanding mission. This contract called "minerals against infrastructure" was concluded following an agreement established in 2008 between the DRC and a few Chinese companies: under the terms of this contract, the DRC was to give mineral-rich deposits to Chinese companies. In return, the latter had to provide the financial means allowing the exploitation of these deposits. It was agreed that the two parties would share the gains resulting from this exploitation.
The evaluation of these contracts revealed, to the detriment of the DRC, disparities in the distribution of the benefits generated by the agreement. The distribution of capital in the common exploitation is an example: Congo, which had brought the bulk of the business - that is to say its richest mines, whose value was estimated at more than 90 billion dollars –, received 32% of the shares during the constitution of a joint venture, Sicomines. The Chinese side, which had contributed nothing, received 68% of the shares.
The company thus created operated on the basis of loans which were contracted with Chinese banks at too high rates, around 12% interest, loans that Sicomines had to repay. The Chinese took advantage of the laxity of some Congolese who insolently enriched themselves. Since the real contribution of Chinese companies has not been traced, we have never understood how the Chinese side was able to secure 68% of the shares...
The distribution of earnings from Sicomines has been unbalanced: according to studies conducted by the IGF, the total earnings, after 15 years of operation, were estimated at 10 billion dollars. While in principle, Sicomines should have given the Congolese state 32% of the gains resulting from the exploitation of the mining sites, the Congolese state only received 822 million dollars. This sum should have been used to repay the loans that the State had contracted to build the infrastructure. The value of the planned infrastructure was estimated at $3.2 billion, in the form of schools, roads, hospitals, universities. Admittedly, loans were contracted, but the funds released by the Chinese contracts were not allocated to carrying out the promised work. It is now a question of rebalancing the advantages between the parties. Some Congolese have enriched themselves thanks to these contracts: if the funds have not ended up in the state coffers, it is because they have been used for other purposes...
You also discovered infrastructures that had been financed both by Sicomines and by the Public Treasury, so much so that today, we do not know who financed what...
Added to this is the problem of the quality and price of these infrastructures: counter-expertise revealed over-invoicing ranging from one to two, the quality of certain roads proved to be below average. The DRC was practically set aside during the control of Sicomines: the president of the company was a Chinese as were 70% of the members of the Board of Directors.
As for the daily management of the company, the general manager was Chinese as well as the three main directions, production, finance and marketing. The deputy managing director, a Congolese, only had a ceremonial role, the managing director had his residence in China and in his absence, it was the commercial or technical managing director who took over the interim. How, in such circumstances, could we have given reliable information on the commercial policy or on the operation of Sicomines?
This company behaving like a state within a state, it was impossible to access its financial data. It took ten years for this company to agree to file its financial statements with the Congolese authorities in 2021. Whether it was finance, production, trade policy, the Chinese managed everything, it was in Chinese that their instruments were configured. Congolese engineers did not control the situation...
In addition, since Sicomines' production is sold to Chinese companies, the selling price was estimated to be half the normal price. I conclude that the ten billion generated by Sicomines in fifteen years in fact only represent half of the reality... These elements explain why the President of the Republic decided that this Chinese contract should be revisited in order to rebalance the advantages between the parts.
The audit of the civil servants' payroll file was also another important file for you.
1. 426,000 civil servants were concerned and their salary represented 350 million dollars per month.
The audit revealed many dysfunctions: people had several registration numbers and were therefore paid several times, others had the same numbers as other agents and they were therefore fictitious, some were paid on the lists of several services, for example the Ministry of Education or that of the Plan, other beneficiaries were not known by the service supposed to employ them...
A quarter of the names on the files being questionable, the IGF asked for the general cleaning of these files. The Ministries of Finance, Budget, Labor will take care of this task and then the Ministry of Finance will report to the government.
Do you have any idea how much money was lost in all these cases that could be recovered?
The equivalent of 70 million per month was recovered from the pay of state agents! In fifteen years, Chinese contracts have caused us to lose 10 billion US dollars because of the mismanagement of our agreement.
More than 50 other major mining contracts containing serious irregularities were examined. Gécamines, responsible for managing all of these mining contracts, has collected royalties reaching 10 billion dollars. But 97% of this amount was squandered on operating expenses and placed on investments. And this when the company should have renewed its production tool and financed its revival... This explains the "social debt" represented by the arrears to be paid to the staff. As for the credit card affair, it cost us between 50 and 60 million dollars.
In addition, nearly $612 million paid in taxes to the Central Bank of Congo was not returned to the central account of the Public Treasury; that money is gone...
We have not yet audited the operating costs of the army, the national police, the intelligence services, these two structures having internal inspection bodies. As for the teachers, they were paid because they have priority.
Faced with this generalization of corruption, who do you incriminate?
These corruption problems merit analysis over time. The DRC has long lived in a system where corruption was considered normal; people did not realize that this practice mortgaged the development of an entire nation. The current president wanted to revitalize all public finance control services. Since 2020, three services have been fighting against the embezzlement of public funds. The strategy of the monitoring bodies is to publish reports right away, which causes a public outcry. It is then up to the courts to examine the files and decide.
Justice being independent, we must refrain from commenting on its decisions, among other things when great dignitaries find themselves whitewashed… In general, we need to rebalance the advantages between the parties in order to be able to embark on the reconstruction of the country. The Chinese made do with the laxity they found in the Congo. It is up to us to make the contracts advantageous for all parties. It will be up to the courts to establish the responsibilities of the Congolese themselves...
How did you react to the Congo Hold-up investigation, carried out by a consortium of investigative journalists including those of "Le Soir"?
This case concerned the embezzlement of $43 million belonging to the Central Bank of Congo but lodged in its accounts with the BGFI Bank. What was not correctly pointed out is that the IGF had participated in the Congo Hold-up investigation! On several files we shared the same conclusions.
However, for the IGF, the 43 million dollars that had disappeared from the accounts of the Central Bank of Congo with the BGFI had been stolen by this commercial bank. On the other hand, for the media involved in the Congo Hold-up investigation, the BGFI had taken this money to serve the Kabila camp. The IGF had no evidence to support this claim.
The difference between the investigations of services such as ours and those of NGOs often lies in the production of the material evidence of the assertions. At the IGF, we must remain apolitical and the results of our investigations must be supported by conclusive material evidence. To date, the BGFI Bank has already acknowledged the facts charged to it by the IGF and it has even already reimbursed nearly 40 million dollars to the Central Bank of Congo.
Our only element of reference is the fact of touching public funds: whoever you are, we, without political consideration, will be interested in you...
Spikerama
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Hi @JAG sorry for the late reply but I've been in hospital today having a procedure. Now that my wife is on the mend it's my turn so I was up bright and early and all checked in by 7am. Then they put me back to sleep for a while. Always quite fascinated how general anaesthetic works.
Anyway don't worry mate. I know you didn't mean anything by it and that there must've been something else on your mind. Which is a real shit by the way and I'm sorry things have turned out like that for you, for now. This too shall pass though and I wish the best of the best for your work situation in the very near future.
Which brings me to everyone else, I was fucked after the hospital and spent the remainder of he day lying down and have only just emerged to realise my lungs are phlegmy and my throat feel like I've drunk acid. So please bear with me before I can share any of the new ideas.
Might have to be tomorrow.
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Spikerama
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I have already made one. It started counting yesterday but I'm waiting on official confirmation before sharing it.
John Reed
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1.a Desktop only.
Imminent
Winenut
Go AVZ!
I is really goods at English for reals
Wiv a names like Peter Clark wot else is there eh...??
Winenut
Go AVZ!
I don't like the colour of my fuchsia's against the backdrop of the deep green ivy and muted dark grey pallete of the distanced textured wall
What's yours?
John Reed
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Came across Trendmaps in a google search when looking for the Kongopress tweet.
It revealed someone in Vietnam, (also Phuket- we know who that is) but Vietnam, the only person I know of in Vietnam for business who allegedly trolled AVZ was the guy running Mastermines,
But could be anyone… anyway worth a look, Trendmaps. I found it frustrating to use in terms of features
It revealed someone in Vietnam, (also Phuket- we know who that is) but Vietnam, the only person I know of in Vietnam for business who allegedly trolled AVZ was the guy running Mastermines,
But could be anyone… anyway worth a look, Trendmaps. I found it frustrating to use in terms of features
Hemicuda
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pretty sure he hasn't found the cheese yet
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