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Can't wait to hear what crack head reasoning Cominiere have for attempting to terminate the Dathcom JVA
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The only other time I can think of that management have used the word purported so often is in relation to the purported sale of 15% of Dathcom from Cominiere to Zijin.

Makes me think that something concrete may have actually happened eg a dodgy court ruling. @9cardomaha is this the sort of thing that you uncovered?
The time limit that Cominiere gave AVZ for handing over all financial records was 90 days. That is most likely what they are justifying their termination of the Dathcom JVA on.

So it's probably as simple as Cominiere have given that deadline under 18.3 (a) that I assume we didn't meet. Then no settlement has happened under 11.1 (a) so Cominiere have given AVZ notice of termination. Obviously AVZ don't agree so we have filed for the ICC under 11.1 (b).

Or in poker terms Cominiere raised and Nigel went all in over the top
 
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I have also thought the DRC wants Cominiere to have a greater percentage of this project and this is one suspect way to try and get it

Another way would be to retain the 15% and not sell it illegally.
 
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The time limit that Cominiere gave AVZ for handing over all financial records was 90 days. That is most likely what they are justifying their termination of the Dathcom JVA on.

So it's probably as simple as Cominiere have given that deadline under 18.3 (a) that I assume we didn't meet. Then no settlement has happened under 11.1 (a) so Cominiere have given AVZ notice of termination. Obviously AVZ don't agree so we have filed for the ICC under 11.1 (b).

Or in poker terms Cominiere raised and Nigel went all in over the top
If they didn't respond in the correct timeframe AVZ management are absolutely fucking insane, incompetent or fucking derelict drunks
 
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The time limit that Cominiere gave AVZ for handing over all financial records was 90 days. That is most likely what they are justifying their termination of the Dathcom JVA on.

So it's probably as simple as Cominiere have given that deadline under 18.3 (a) that I assume we didn't meet. Then no settlement has happened under 11.1 (a) so Cominiere have given AVZ notice of termination. Obviously AVZ don't agree so we have filed for the ICC under 11.1 (b).

Or in poker terms Cominiere raised and Nigel went all in over the top
Memory is getting hazy here - what records did Cominiere ask/demand of us? Does that request exist in some official document (that is out in the open)?
 
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Memory is getting hazy here - what records did Cominiere ask/demand of us? Does that exist in some official document that is in the open?
The document is CEM/DG/139/ckk/22. I don't have a copy of it and I don't remember seeing it. But this tweet from ACAJ explains what's in it.
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If someone here is familiar with Wikipedia article ediitng and have some spare time I would suggest to go to this page and check the shit that one dickhead from AFR left on that page. The last paragraph was editied by Tom richardson and is full of his citations and links to his articles. I reckon this article will sound and look better with information from AVZ announcenemnts rather from this idiot..
 
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The document is CEM/DG/139/ckk/22. I don't have a copy of it and I don't remember seeing it. But this tweet from ACAJ explains what's in it.
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Thanks - found a reference here too.

Edit: the request looks like a pretext to create this exact scenario. i.e. make a spurious request, AVZ tell them to fuck off, and Comminiere pulls the rip-chord. Great.
 
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Lars is here, reading our comments. What a sad ass!
 
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Well if MoM has just created IGM it would suggest that MoM isn’t crooked ; I’ve always considered her to be on the good side ; however the cancelling of decrees had me thinking twice .

I’d imagine that MoM knows exactly what MoP is up to ; I’d assume she knows what Lukonde is up to ; I’ve heard that he was approached by a number of Chinese asking her to cancel AVZs permits outright .

It’s difficult to be embroiled in corruption when you have just created an inspection general ; as the IGM would have a number of individuals involved , not just MoM by her lonesome.

I assume that decisions coming through IGM would indeed be independent and not focusing on her position …. Suddenly MoP and other crooks such as DG Cami ( whom I’m sure she’s be well aware of his dealings ) any Chinese etc who have been trying to persuade her to turn blind eyes and just kick out AVz … who knows they may have previously offered brown bags ….

These individuals now know they’ve got an inspection general in front of them , whom they’ve most likely already tried to brown bag …. I reckon there wouldn’t have been a few palms hitting faces when that popped out.

Things do seems to be moving ; there’s a smell of desperation out there …. Hitting Felix , MoM with a negitive media shite storm May not be the answer … but obviously that’s up to you guys
I agree with Obe Wan. IMO, GLTAH. Br Sparrowhawk
 
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If someone here is familiar with Wikipedia article ediitng and have some spare time I would suggest to go to this page and check the shit that one dickhead from AFR left on that page. The last paragraph was editied by Tom richardson and is full of his citations and links to his articles. I reckon this article will sound and look better with information from AVZ announcenemnts rather from this idiot..
Now that is interesting. WHY would teabags do that? Either desperate, back-filling or just plain dumb?
 
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Well if MoM has just created IGM it would suggest that MoM isn’t crooked ; I’ve always considered her to be on the good side ; however the cancelling of decrees had me thinking twice .

I’d imagine that MoM knows exactly what MoP is up to ; I’d assume she knows what Lukonde is up to ; I’ve heard that he was approached by a number of Chinese asking her to cancel AVZs permits outright .

It’s difficult to be embroiled in corruption when you have just created an inspection general ; as the IGM would have a number of individuals involved , not just MoM by her lonesome.

I assume that decisions coming through IGM would indeed be independent and not focusing on her position …. Suddenly MoP and other crooks such as DG Cami ( whom I’m sure she’s be well aware of his dealings ) any Chinese etc who have been trying to persuade her to turn blind eyes and just kick out AVz … who knows they may have previously offered brown bags ….

These individuals now know they’ve got an inspection general in front of them , whom they’ve most likely already tried to brown bag …. I reckon there wouldn’t have been a few palms hitting faces when that popped out.

Things do seems to be moving ; there’s a smell of desperation out there …. Hitting Felix , MoM with a negitive media shite storm May not be the answer … but obviously that’s up to you guys

*Fyi,

Mining sector: imminent establishment of the General Inspectorate of Mines in the DRC to fight against mining fraud and smuggling

During its 94ᵉ meeting, the Council of Ministers adopted the draft decree on the organization and operation of a public service called the "General Inspectorate of Mines" (IGM).

This proposal was made by the Minister of Mines, Antoinette N'samba Kalambayi.

This service will be responsible for combating mining fraud and smuggling in all their forms; to design, implement and monitor the execution of practical measures of collaboration in the field between the public services and organizations having in their attributions the fight against fraud and smuggling in the Mining sector.

The IGM will be endowed with administrative and financial autonomy and will be placed under the authority of the minister in charge of mines.

This public service therefore intends to strengthen the synergy between the State services authorized in the mechanisms for combating mining fraud and smuggling, controlling and ensuring the traceability of mining products from the exploitation site to the point of export.

“For the government, it is a matter of dedicating the necessary efforts and resources to enable the mining sector to play its true role as a lever for socio-economic development of the country,” the minutes of the Council of Ministers consider.

The Democratic Republic of Congo has enormous potential in the mining sector.

However, it has been shown that there are illicit practices that cost the Congolese state thousands of US dollars. :unsure:

The Congolese economy is much more supported by mining activities.


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The African continent loses around USD 90 billion a year due to illicit financial flows

The African continent faces several challenges, especially with regard to its development, which requires several billion US dollars.


However, Africa does not lack the financial means to boost its development.

According to figures from the High Level Panel Expert Group on Illicit Financial Flows, the continent loses more than USD 90 billion every year as a result of illicit financial flows in both the public and private sectors.

The 90 billion dollars that escape the treasuries of the countries of the African continent represent nearly three (3) times the amount of official development assistance granted to it.

According to experts in the field, Africa has therefore received over the past 18 years 805 billion dollars in official development assistance out of a total of 1,729 billion USD released during this period.

Although the Democratic Republic of Congo is one of the few countries in French-speaking sub-Saharan Africa to have benefited from a substantial amount, most are the English-speaking or East African countries which attract the most projects: l Ethiopia, Nigeria, Tanzania, Kenya or Mozambique.

Despite this colossal amount captured by the continent over the past 18 years, Africa is struggling to find the coveted path to development.

Thus, to combat the proliferation of illicit financial flows and enable Africa to embark on the path of development, countries are called upon to increase their efforts in the fight against corruption and illicit financial flows of capital.

The amount of IFFs related to the export of primary extractive resources amounted to $40 billion in 2015 and $278 billion for the past decade as a whole.

This is a conservative estimate and should be considered a lower bound.

Reducing IFFs could help improve the prospects for environmental, social and economic development in Africa.


Here is the agenda of DRC Mining Week 2023 scheduled for June 14 to 16 in Lubumbashi


As announced, DRC Mining Week opens its doors from June 14 to 16, 2023 at Karavia Hotel in Lubumbashi in the province of Haut-Katanga in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC).

The day of June 14, 2023 is devoted to the morning of the inaugural speech.

First, the welcome message from David Ashdown, CEO of VUKA Group, South Africa.

He will be followed by Louis Watum, President of the DRC Chamber of Mines.

Jacques Kyabula, Governor of Haut-Katanga, the province hosting these meetings, will speak.

This will be followed by a word from the CEO of Standard Bank, sponsor of this inaugural session.

The representative of the Minister of Mines, Antoinette Nsamba will return to the recommendations of the 2022 edition before the Minister delivers her opening speech.

Long before the opening speech by Bridgette Radebe Motsepe, CEO of Mmakau Mining & President of SAMDA in South Africa.

This series of inaugural speeches will be followed by a visit to the stands after a cocktail.

Also on this day, two sessions will be devoted to two panels on energy: the first on the transition of ecological energy and the second on strengthening the energy sector through acquired private investments.

Day of June 15, 2023, 5 panels are on the agenda

The first, an Ecobank-sponsored lunch in Value Chain Investment Forum mode.

The debates will focus on improving the competitiveness of Chinese investments in new energy minerals; Turkish Investors' Growing Appetite for DRC Minerals: What to Expect?

What is the analysis of foreign investment in the mining sector today?


The second panel sponsored by EQUITYBCDC where discussions will revolve around why and when financial institutions support new and developing mining projects in the DRC.

What financing model would be adaptable for companies based in Congo?

The third panel dedicated to women and sponsored by Glencore will focus on integrating gender equality into more efficient mining operations.

Creating an inclusive workplace for women: what has been achieved so far and what are the policies?

The fourth panel on subcontracting sponsored by Rawsur will focus on subcontracting and suppliers, what is the difference?

How to win the trust of mining companies and face foreign competition?

The question of quotas for local contracts in relation to the expertise required: how to define the balance?

The fifth invitational panel is sponsored by FBNBank on the theme “on the road to a 21% reduction in emissions by 2030: the Governor's dialogue. »

The day of June 16

The program includes a Bolloré-sponsored trade mission focused on creating more business strategies: facilitating business transactions and increasing growth in the region.

The debate will also focus on the presentation of showcase countries and good practices focusing on the theme: "Development of trade policy: what does it take to create a policy aimed at advancing the export and import of goods in the region?

Discussions will revolve around how the queuing and queuing system in Kasumbalesa deliveries, prices of goods, increased fuel prices and social life of drivers; technologies to be put in place to facilitate the fluidity of transport between SADC countries; the deep water project.

Another panel is dedicated to environmental, social and governance factors.

The agenda also includes a ministerial forum (not open to the public) on how to create a common policy of local transformation made in Africa.

It should be noted that EquityBCDC will hold a panel on the theme: “The miners of today and those of tomorrow, mining success: implementation and achievements. »

The closing speeches will complete this 2023 edition of DRC Mining Week.

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Food for thought :unsure:

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“DATHCOM/AVZ vs COMINIERE at the International Court of Arbitration of the International Chamber of Commerce”

Lithium DRC: DATHCOM/AVZ Minerals in court (CCI) against COMINIERE for their rights to the sale of the 15% to ZIJIN​

April 17, 2023
Kiki Kienge

By Kiki Kienge
It should be specified above all that it is not for the moment the Congolese State which is brought before Justice by DATHCOM and AVZ Minerals, but the COMINIERE company and its management, in particular that it has nothing to do with the withdrawal of DATHCOM's operating license by the DR Congo's ministry of mines, on which Minister Antoinette Kalabayi based her decision-making.
As a reminder, COMINIERE had sold 15% of its shares to the Chinese group, ZIJIN at 33.4400.000 $US, when the real value was 150 million $US according to the report of the Presidency of the Congolese Republic through the General Inspectorate of Finance (IGF).
COMINIERE through its interim Managing Director, Célestin Kibeya claims that his company had informed AVZ Minerals, which owns the pre-emptive rights, by letter and that the latter would have offered only US$15 million for the 15%. But AVZ in a document, shows a later proposal of more or less 150 million $Us and a participation of COMINIERE in the international stock exchange.
In particular, COMINIERE sold, defying any joint venture agreement, three DATHCOM mining permits, a company under Chinese rights and one of its subsidiaries in the DR Congo, including the current Minister of State, Minister of Territorial Development, Guy Loando Mboyo holds 10% of the shares:
  • The PE (Exploitation Permit) 12436 that COMINIERE SA transferred on
    07/12/2017 to DATHCOM Mining for exploitation was transferred by the
    latter on 07/12/2018 to HONGKONG YISEN which, in turn, transferred it on
    05/17/2019 at HONGKONG EXCELLEN MINING INVESTMENT
    CONGO SARL.
  • PE 12449 that COMINIERE SA sold on 07/12/2017 to DATHCOM
    Mining SA was sold on 07/12/2018 by the latter to HONGKONG
    YISEN.
  • PE 12450 that COMINIERE SA sold on 07/06/2017 to DATHCOM
    Mining SA was sold by the latter to HONGKONG EXCELLEN
    MINING INVESTMENT CONGO SARL.
Read the link on this file at the end of the article.
It should be noted that this is even more likely to delay the start of lithium exploitation in Manono, for which the population of Tanganyika is impatiently waiting for the relaunch of their development. To the government of the DR Congo and if not the direct involvement of the Head of State, Félix Tshisekedi in this file to resolve this situation, the first victim of which will only be the Congolese population in general and that of Tanganyika in particular.
MINERALS LIMITED PRESS RELEASE
Continuation of the legal action to affirm the interests in the Manono project Start of the Cominière arbitration procedure.
AVZ Minerals Limited (ASX: AVZ, OTC: AZZVF) (AVZ or the Company) announces that the Company, through its subsidiaries, and Dathcom Mining SA (Dathcom) have formally commenced arbitration proceedings before the International Court of Arbitration of the International Chamber of Commerce (“ICC”) against La Société Congolaise d'Exploitation Miniere d'Exploitation Miniere (RCCM 14-B-5938) (Cominière) (Cominière Arbitration Proceedings).
The primary purpose of Cominière's arbitration proceedings is to seek various remedies for instances of Cominière's breach of its obligations under the joint venture dated January 27, 2017, as amended from time to time (Dathcom JVA) including statements purporting to confirm Cominière's purported termination of the Dathcom JVA and its purported transfer of part of its interest in Dathcom in violation of the Dathcom JVA, are all null and void.
Cominiere attempted to terminate the Dathcom joint venture without cause and in a manner contrary to its express terms. The Company considers that the conduct of Cominiere is illegal and the Company, in collaboration with Dathcom, will take all necessary measures for the necessary actions to protect the interests of its stakeholders, including people from the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC). ).
Cominière holds 25% of the share capital of Dathcom. AVZ confirms that it retains legal title to a 75% interest in the Manono project and pre-emption rights greater than 15% on Cominière's 25% interest in the project (noting that Cominière must sell the 10% balances of its 25% interest in the Project to the Government of the DRC as a condition of the award of the mining license). The shareholders of Dathcom (namely Cominière and AVZ, through a subsidiary) are parties to the Dathcom joint venture, and as such, benefit from a preferential right on the proposed sale of shares in Dathcom to third parties. Under the laws of the DRC, a transfer of shares made in violation of such a right of first refusal is null and void.

 
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Is there a part in the JV contract that committed AVZ to hand over the financial records?

And in that case is it a serious and persistent non performance if avz not follow the 90 days rule that justified a complete termination of the contract?

Stupid cominiere doesn’t even paid there lawyers in the mmcs case. I’m not sure if zijin lawyers help them but I don’t think so, they would tell CKK not to be such a idiot I guess.
I can't find anything in the JVA specifically relating to a 90 day non performance for requests of financial records. It's a long document so I may have missed it but the 2 sections I found that relate to this sort of request are Article 19 and Article 20.8. Article 19 is more of a formal audit so 20.8 dealing with request of documents from other parties is the relevant artice here.

The question will be if AVZ didn't comply with the request is was Cominiere asking for all financial records when they have already committed to selling their available 15%, before ceding the remaining 10% to the state leaving them with no part of the project, 'reasonably necessary for better performance of all provisions of the JVA'

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“DATHCOM/AVZ vs COMINIERE at the International Court of Arbitration of the International Chamber of Commerce”

Lithium DRC: DATHCOM/AVZ Minerals in court (CCI) against COMINIERE for their rights to the sale of the 15% to ZIJIN​

April 17, 2023
Kiki Kienge

By Kiki Kienge
It should be specified above all that it is not for the moment the Congolese State which is brought before Justice by DATHCOM and AVZ Minerals, but the COMINIERE company and its management, in particular that it has nothing to do with the withdrawal of DATHCOM's operating license by the DR Congo's ministry of mines, on which Minister Antoinette Kalabayi based her decision-making.
As a reminder, COMINIERE had sold 15% of its shares to the Chinese group, ZIJIN at 33.4400.000 $US, when the real value was 150 million $US according to the report of the Presidency of the Congolese Republic through the General Inspectorate of Finance (IGF).
COMINIERE through its interim Managing Director, Célestin Kibeya claims that his company had informed AVZ Minerals, which owns the pre-emptive rights, by letter and that the latter would have offered only US$15 million for the 15%. But AVZ in a document, shows a later proposal of more or less 150 million $Us and a participation of COMINIERE in the international stock exchange.
In particular, COMINIERE sold, defying any joint venture agreement, three DATHCOM mining permits, a company under Chinese rights and one of its subsidiaries in the DR Congo, including the current Minister of State, Minister of Territorial Development, Guy Loando Mboyo holds 10% of the shares:
  • The PE (Exploitation Permit) 12436 that COMINIERE SA transferred on
    07/12/2017 to DATHCOM Mining for exploitation was transferred by the
    latter on 07/12/2018 to HONGKONG YISEN which, in turn, transferred it on
    05/17/2019 at HONGKONG EXCELLEN MINING INVESTMENT
    CONGO SARL.
  • PE 12449 that COMINIERE SA sold on 07/12/2017 to DATHCOM
    Mining SA was sold on 07/12/2018 by the latter to HONGKONG
    YISEN.
  • PE 12450 that COMINIERE SA sold on 07/06/2017 to DATHCOM
    Mining SA was sold by the latter to HONGKONG EXCELLEN
    MINING INVESTMENT CONGO SARL.
Read the link on this file at the end of the article.
It should be noted that this is even more likely to delay the start of lithium exploitation in Manono, for which the population of Tanganyika is impatiently waiting for the relaunch of their development. To the government of the DR Congo and if not the direct involvement of the Head of State, Félix Tshisekedi in this file to resolve this situation, the first victim of which will only be the Congolese population in general and that of Tanganyika in particular.
MINERALS LIMITED PRESS RELEASE
Continuation of the legal action to affirm the interests in the Manono project Start of the Cominière arbitration procedure.
AVZ Minerals Limited (ASX: AVZ, OTC: AZZVF) (AVZ or the Company) announces that the Company, through its subsidiaries, and Dathcom Mining SA (Dathcom) have formally commenced arbitration proceedings before the International Court of Arbitration of the International Chamber of Commerce (“ICC”) against La Société Congolaise d'Exploitation Miniere d'Exploitation Miniere (RCCM 14-B-5938) (Cominière) (Cominière Arbitration Proceedings).
The primary purpose of Cominière's arbitration proceedings is to seek various remedies for instances of Cominière's breach of its obligations under the joint venture dated January 27, 2017, as amended from time to time (Dathcom JVA) including statements purporting to confirm Cominière's purported termination of the Dathcom JVA and its purported transfer of part of its interest in Dathcom in violation of the Dathcom JVA, are all null and void.
Cominiere attempted to terminate the Dathcom joint venture without cause and in a manner contrary to its express terms. The Company considers that the conduct of Cominiere is illegal and the Company, in collaboration with Dathcom, will take all necessary measures for the necessary actions to protect the interests of its stakeholders, including people from the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC). ).
Cominière holds 25% of the share capital of Dathcom. AVZ confirms that it retains legal title to a 75% interest in the Manono project and pre-emption rights greater than 15% on Cominière's 25% interest in the project (noting that Cominière must sell the 10% balances of its 25% interest in the Project to the Government of the DRC as a condition of the award of the mining license). The shareholders of Dathcom (namely Cominière and AVZ, through a subsidiary) are parties to the Dathcom joint venture, and as such, benefit from a preferential right on the proposed sale of shares in Dathcom to third parties. Under the laws of the DRC, a transfer of shares made in violation of such a right of first refusal is null and void.



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Only problem is all this shit is going down in the DRC

Not fucking somewhere with some semblance of respect for law
I hear you on this one wino, I don't think for a second either that the DRC government will give a flying fuck what the ICC has to say unfortunately.

It appears imo we are possibly going to be in chinese/ corrupt drc wankers induced limbo for the foreseeable. C**ts!
 
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I can't find anything in the JVA specifically relating to a 90 day non performance for requests of financial records. It's a long document so I may have missed it but the 2 sections I found that relate to this sort of request are Article 19 and Article 20.8. Article 19 is more of a formal audit so 20.8 dealing with request of documents from other parties is the relevant artice here.

The question will be if AVZ didn't comply with the request is was Cominiere asking for all financial records when they have already committed to selling their available 15%, before ceding the remaining 10% to the state leaving them with no part of the project, 'reasonably necessary for better performance of all provisions of the JVA'

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ARTICLE 19 CONTROL OF OPERATIONS

  • 19.1 Each Party has an unlimited right to control and monitor all DATHCOM Mining SAS Operations. It is free to exercise it itself or through its internal auditors or experts, or to have it carried out by an external auditor or expert, it being understood that this right can only be exercised (1) after notice of 15 days addressed to DATHCOM Mining SAS and (i) may not affect the security and/or efficiency of the operations of DAT COM Mining SAS”
If the documents were withheld, it is possible that providing the documents could have been a security risk for Dathcom Mining SAS given the possibility of sensitive content being shared with our detractors.
 
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ARTICLE 19 CONTROL OF OPERATIONS

  • 19.1 Each Party has an unlimited right to control and monitor all DATHCOM Mining SAS Operations. It is free to exercise it itself or through its internal auditors or experts, or to have it carried out by an external auditor or expert, it being understood that this right can only be exercised (1) after notice of 15 days addressed to DATHCOM Mining SAS and (i) may not affect the security and/or efficiency of the operations of DAT COM Mining SAS”
If the documents were withheld, it is possible that providing the documents could have been a security risk for Dathcom Mining SAS given the possibility of sensitive content being shared with our detractors.
Yeah that was my thinking if they are using article 19. I still think article 20.8 is more relevant but included article 19 in my post as it could apply. We need to see CEM/DG/139/ckk/22 or anything new by Cominiere to know for sure.
 
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Spoiler... the following has ample copious amounts of swearing, if squirming please pass on this most crude and borish of posts

Exactly,

These corrupt cunts (Government included)
Are thicker than pigshit, all this time and potential income wasted because some dimwitted half-brained wankstains want to fill their piss-stained pocket with dirty chinese bribes.
If your reading this you simple but precious cunts, suck my fucking ring piece. But well done for surprising me that you dumbfucks have the ability to muster up the enormous processing power required to read without requiring first a fucking bribe, cunts.

It's a crime on a global scale that such a magnificent project has to be so horribly burdened by being in such a crime ridden hell-hole of corruption and self-sabotage, these moronic fuckwits blame everyone but their own corrupt scummy shit-eating braincell deficient politicians, only a few noble and intelligent people can see whats happening over their and by the looks of it most of them have left the DRC, an the poor souls left are pissing into the wind. But hey we can't say any naughty or nasty words because that's not very nice and it causes terrible hurty wurties for their poor little defenceless chinese-cumrag politicians.

Like a few others here and on twitter I'm tired of the BS from our BOD of next month, next week, close, soon, imminent, champagne on ice. It's ballachingly boring not to mention mis-fucking-leading.

Fuck these criminals and take them all to ICC, Pineapple the cunts, the lies from them all are well documented, the Government has had more than enough time to fix this, they are complicit.

Poor fucking Jules Alingete
Well done Titts …didnt even mentioned the “Soapie” plus on a Monday night …top effort
Took about 10 pages to get to it but well worth the wait …be hard too top :)
 
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